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  1. OK here goes - I confess I am a lazy cyclist. I love my bike, I love riding.

    Except in the winter. I hate it.

    I live in a town so all busy roads and I have not yet managed to get on my bike once since September
    of last year when the nights began to draw in and the thought of the cold overrode any semblance of
    enthuisiasm I had.

    Trouble is, in October I was diagnosed with an illness which I will have for life and have to
    regulate solely through my diet. My Consultant has told me I need to lose a stone in weight and the
    thought of a boring gym is abhorrent.

    So, you people who ride all year long - I am after help as to the sort of gear I will need to negate
    the effects of the cold, as I can only ride at night during the week. My bike (Trek 1200) is kitted
    out with decent lights so no worries there - it's more the clothing side of stuff I am after. Added
    to pots of motivation of course.....

    Thanks in advance.

    Saint

  2. "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK here goes - I confess I am a lazy cyclist. I love my bike, I love riding.

    Except in the winter. I hate it.

    I live in a town so all busy roads and I have not yet managed to get on my bike once since
    September of last year when the nights began to draw in


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the thought of the cold overrode any semblance of enthuisiasm I had.

    Trouble is, in October I was diagnosed with an illness which I will have


    for

    Quoted message said:

    life and have to regulate solely through my diet. My Consultant has told


    me

    Quoted message said:

    I need to lose a stone in weight and the thought of a boring gym is abhorrent.

    So, you people who ride all year long - I am after help as to the sort of gear I will need to
    negate the effects of the cold, as I can only ride at night during the week. My bike (Trek 1200)
    is kitted out with decent


    lights

    Quoted message said:

    so no worries there - it's more the clothing side of stuff I am after. Added to pots of motivation
    of course.....

    Thanks in advance.

    Saint


    Sorry to hear about the misfortune, Saint :-( On the other hand, good news about the cycling ;-) I
    believe it is very much like the perceived danger of the roads (read careless mdg drivers), putting
    the masses off cycling. Winter riding is pretty much the same as summer riding, except without the
    shorts ;-) Personally I go for several light layers, lots of
    fluorodayglosurelyyoucanseemenowyablindb'stard!!, nice warm neoprene gloves and I've just bought a
    'hedy', which is a polyester stretchy tube thingy that goes over your head and can be used in
    various ways from scarf to bandana. I haven't used it yet cycling and didn't really need it, but
    just had to have it 'cos it's so useful ;-) Just try it and see how you go. reckon you'll be
    enjoying it in no time at all...just remember to watch out for the ice :-( All the best, Dave.

  3. There was a thread on here on 31/12/03 entitled Winter Wear that detailed what some of us wear
    whilst cycling in the winter. Use Google Groups to search for it.

    On top you need a wicking base layer, I use Helly Hansen Long Sleeve thermal top. The I use a
    sleeveless T shirt, then a long sleeve cycling jersey with a fleecy lining then a lightweight
    wateproof(for windproofing). On top of that a refective waistcoat. On my head either a helmet
    perhaps with a themal balaclava or some sort of fleece/woolen hat/ I wear normal cycling
    shorts under long tights, sometimes winter weight(Roubaix).Ordinary (thin) calf length socks,
    normal cycling shoes covered with neoprene overshoes. I also wear thinsulate gloves and clear
    plastic glasses.

  4. "Saint" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    OK here goes - I confess I am a lazy cyclist. I love my bike, I love riding.

    Quoted message said:

    Except in the winter. I hate it.

    Quoted message said:

    I live in a town so all busy roads and I have not yet managed to get on my bike once since
    September of last year when the nights began to draw in and the thought of the cold overrode any
    semblance of enthuisiasm I had.

    You may not need to wear a huge amount as you will probably warm up after a few minutes' cycling.
    People vary in their need for warm clothing, so no specific advice will suit all.

    It is often useful to dress in layers.

    Keep your head (especially your ears) warm. If you wear a h*lm*t, get a thin hat or scarf you can
    wear under it.

    Your neck needs careful management. Scarves are useful, but you should make sure you can't lose or
    get tangled in it. You might consider a neck warmer.

    Keep your hands & feet warm & dry with suitable gloves & shoes.

    Wind proof clothes will reduce heat loss.

    Try to wear some sort of base layer over your whole body.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  5. Quoted message said:

    it's more the clothing side of stuff I am after.

    I find it's not a problem keeping my body warm in winter, subject to a few layers. Personal recipe
    is b*bshorts (forgive me Helen) with Endura Thermastat tights over them; a base layer, jersey over
    it (mainly for back-pocket-storage-space) and then either a windproof (Parrot) shell or a fleece top
    or both, depending on exactly how cold or how breezy. With that lot, and a brisk ride, I'm toasty.
    Hands and feet are more difficult; hands get summer mitts (for gel padding and protection in case of
    a fall) with cheapo fleecy gloves over them. Feet get overshoes over my normal summer shoes. Hat
    gets one of those Briko underhats with fleecy ear-covers (makes you - okay, me - look a complete
    wally but is worth its weight in gold) and get some sunspecs where you can swap lenses for clear -
    keep the cold wind out of your eyes.

    Get out there and enjoy!

    Phil B York, UK

  6. Saint said:

    Added to pots of motivation of course.....

    Winter riding is less pleasant than summer riding, but you get the occasional fantastic clear
    morning which makes you feel glad to be alive, and the cold really isn't that bad if you dress for
    it. NOt that it gets that cold in Reading, I rarely need to wear my SPD boots and usually make do
    with road shoes with thick Coolmax socks, a couple of layers (SubZero brand skiiing bas layers are
    good) and a windproof jacket. Once you get going, you soon warm up :-)

    On the plus side you get to laugh at the cagers playing Critical Mass, and you feel real kinship
    with the few other hardy souls you'll meet on your daily rides.

    Enjoy!

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  7. "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK here goes - I confess I am a lazy cyclist. I love my bike, I love riding.

    Except in the winter. I hate it.

    My thoughts are :-

    1. Be safe. Good lights, brakes and reflectors aid confidence. Riding at night/in the dark is
    magical -- but you need to be able to see where you are going and to be seen.

    2. Be warm. Fingers & toes are particularly vulnerable. Good gloves & overshoes are vital.

    3. Stay cool. Overheating is a pain. Layers & zips allow for basic heat regulation -- a bar or
    rack bag allows a greater range of options. Personally, I cycle in shorts unless it is really
    cold -- but I'm weird!! Most prefer roubaix tights. If, like me, you are folicly challenged
    then a decent hat of buff is good. Something to keep the ears warm is good.

    4. Stay dry. Cycling in the rain CAN also be magical -- though it can also be a PIA :~( Something
    to keep the rain out while remaining breathable is good.

    5. Stay off the ice. If its icy go for a walk instead. Lethal stuff. Avoid.

    6. Have fun.

    T

  8. Saint said:

    So, you people who ride all year long - I am after help as to the sort of gear I will need to
    negate the effects of the cold, as I can only ride at night during the week. My bike (Trek 1200)
    is kitted out with decent lights so no worries there -

    Mudguards can make a real difference. In winter there's often a layer of semi-liquid permacack on
    the roads and without guards it will transfer itself to you to some extent if you don't have guards
    (preferably with mudflaps). Life is much more pleasant IME when this doesn't happen, and if your
    clothes stay as dry as possible they'll work better.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
    dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  9. On 5/1/04 7:52 pm, in article [email hidden],

    MSeries said:

    On top you need a wicking base layer, I use Helly Hansen Long Sleeve thermal top. The I use a
    sleeveless T shirt, then a long sleeve cycling jersey with a fleecy lining then a lightweight
    wateproof(for windproofing). On top of that a refective waistcoat. On my head either a helmet
    perhaps with a themal balaclava or some sort of fleece/woolen hat/ I wear normal cycling shorts
    under long tights, sometimes winter weight(Roubaix).Ordinary (thin) calf length socks, normal
    cycling shoes covered with neoprene overshoes. I also wear thinsulate gloves and clear plastic
    glasses.

    I ride a lot at night as well. (Good for the weight loss to get a bit of a ride in last thing
    before hitting the sack). Good lights (seriously good, the sort that make drivers flash you) are a
    good thing.

    I'd second all that above. I wear ron hill tracksters to keep the legs warm and have just got a nice
    fluo yellow Altura Nevis jacket for windproof/reflective which is a really good bit of kit.

    As long as you can keep the wind off the front and the hands/feet/head warm then everything should
    be pretty OK. You'll rapidly work out what is good or bad to wear for the given conditions. Everyone
    is slightly different. I ride very warm so tend to wear less than most.

    My local night ride is to go round and up the local hill. On a good night I'll do that several
    times, on a bad night just once.

    ..d

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    There was a thread on here on 31/12/03 entitled Winter Wear that detailed what some of us wear
    whilst cycling in the winter. Use Google Groups to search for it.

    On top you need a wicking base layer, I use Helly Hansen Long Sleeve thermal top. The I use a
    sleeveless T shirt, then a long sleeve cycling jersey with a fleecy lining then a lightweight
    wateproof(for windproofing). On top of that a refective waistcoat. On my head either a helmet
    perhaps with a themal balaclava or some sort of fleece/woolen hat/ I wear normal cycling shorts
    under long tights, sometimes winter weight(Roubaix).Ordinary (thin) calf length socks, normal
    cycling shoes covered with neoprene overshoes. I also wear thinsulate gloves and clear plastic
    glasses.

    --
    Mark (MSA) This post is packaged by intellectual weight, not volume. Some settling of contents may
    have occurred during transmission

  11. Quoted message said:

    1. Be safe. Good lights, brakes and reflectors aid confidence. Riding at night/in the dark is
    magical -- but you need to be able to see where you are going and to be seen.

    The above is absolutely essential. One key - remember to take spare batteries with you if you are
    using battery powered lights and not a dynamo system. I like the Christmas tree principle - I have
    two British Standard lights at front with one flashing LED. I have a static white single LED mounted
    on my helmet too. At the back of my bike I have two bright red lights - one standard BS one and one
    that is a mass of bright red LEDs (static beam) and I can have flashing red LEDs too. I also have
    reflectives on bike & on self from head to toe, back, front & side)

    Good source of el cheapo but effective fluorescent/reflective gear is shopcreator.comtopicmenu
    1.stm

    Quoted message said:

    2. Be warm. Fingers & toes are particularly vulnerable. Good gloves & overshoes are vital.

    Another definite - but whereas I *always* nned gloves on, I don't always require overshoes, as thick
    warm socks can often suffice for me - but if it is peeing down, I do wear the overshoes too.

    Quoted message said:

    3. Stay cool. Overheating is a pain. Layers & zips allow for basic heat regulation -- a bar or
    rack bag allows a greater range of options. Personally, I cycle in shorts unless it is really
    cold -- but I'm weird!! Most prefer roubaix tights. If, like me, you are folicly challenged
    then a decent hat of buff is good. Something to keep the ears warm is good.

    The layering principle is a must. It is true - T is weird ;-) I use a base layer of a thermal vest
    thinggie (longsleeved), over which I put a longsleeved cycling jersey, windproof sleeveless gilet,
    and I also carry/wear a waterproof jacket. Layers mean it is easy, if you cool, to add more/do up
    zips to keep warm. You can also undo zips/remove layers if you start to get too warm, without
    becoming nekkid and frightening the neighbours ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    4. Stay dry. Cycling in the rain CAN also be magical -- though it can also be a PIA :~(
    Something to keep the rain out while remaining breathable is good.

    Definite agreement. Cycling in the rain does not mean you have to get wet! One other essential is, I
    think, a pair of shades. All year round I wear either my normal specs (photochromatic lenses) or if
    wearing my contact lenses, I will wear shades as appropriate (dark lenses to shield from sun or
    yellow lenses for low light/poor visibility clear lenses are good for night wear) as the lenses keep
    the wind, rain, grit, flies out of your eyes.

    Quoted message said:

    5. Stay off the ice. If its icy go for a walk instead. Lethal stuff. Avoid.

    Good idea

    Quoted message said:

    6. Have fun.

    The most important one. Cycling is fun, even for me, a fatbirdonabike. When I first got back on a
    bike after years away, I couldn't go five miles without having to get off a few times and retrieve
    my lungs from the tarmac and I certainly couldn't go up the hill the lies between my village and the
    next at the back of my house. To be honest that wasn't fun at that time. BUT, the great thing about
    cycling is that you see a noticeable improvement in fitness and stamina over a relatively short
    space of time. Now, whilst I don't whizz up said hill, I can get up it without having to use my
    granny ring :-) The key was, for me, to start of at short distances and *gradually* work up to
    improving over those distances and then extending the distances gradually.

    Cheers, helen s

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  12. Peter Clinch said:

    Mudguards can make a real difference. In winter there's often a layer of semi-liquid permacack on
    the roads and without guards it will transfer itself to you to some extent if you don't have
    guards (preferably with mudflaps). Life is much more pleasant IME when this doesn't happen, and if
    your clothes stay as dry as possible they'll work better.

    Pete.

    permacack - I like that word. Yes mudgurards are a very useful accessory to make winter riding more
    pleasurable. I enjoy winter cycling much more when I don't try. I enjoy every ride without caring if
    I go really slow or do olny 13 miles. I never used to do much in the winter so I see every mile now
    as a bonus and feel good for doing some rather than bad for doing less that I feel I ought to.

    --
    The Reply & From email addresses are checked rarely. mseries.freeserve.co.ukmseries.freeserve.co.uk

  13. Tony W <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : 2. Be warm. Fingers & toes are particularly vulnerable. Good gloves & overshoes are vital.

    Or get some winter boots. I've not worn overshoes once this year and am very happy about it. I use
    the Shimano W101 winter boots and *highly* recommend them. There's a few similar ones out there from
    other makers as well - Northware do one at least.

    : Personally, I cycle in shorts unless it is really cold -- but I'm weird!!

    Well, each to their own, but I'd strongly advise against shorts when it's cold. It's bad for
    your knees.

    : 5. Stay off the ice. If its icy go for a walk instead. Lethal stuff. Avoid.

    Indeed. Remember it'll be colder out of town that in as well. If you get out and it is icy, stick to
    busier roads where the traffic will help keep the road free. Avoid really busy roads as normal mind!

    Personally I now tend not to go out when it's icy, or go out on the MTB.

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune clune.orgclune.org "Technolibertarians make a philosophy out of a personality defect"
    - Paulina Borsook

  14. Saint <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : Except in the winter. I hate it.

    : I live in a town so all busy roads and I have not yet managed to get on my bike once since
    : September of last year when the nights began to draw in and the thought of the cold overrode any
    : semblance of enthuisiasm I had.

    It occurs to be that we'll all given kit tips, but not really talked about motivation.

    How about some commuting/utility trips? Get a trailer to do the shopping? Cycle to work? The pub?
    The great thing about this sort of trip is that (as long as you can pretend you don't have a car) is
    that you have to go and do them. You can't leave the shopping if you haven't got any food in!

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune clune.orgclune.org "Technolibertarians make a philosophy out of a personality defect"
    - Paulina Borsook

  15. Saint said:

    OK here goes - I confess I am a lazy cyclist. I love my bike, I love riding.

    Except in the winter. I hate it.

    You'll be surprised how enjoyable winter cycling can be once you get some better kit (comfortable
    base layers, good gloves & windproofs are most important). Motivation to get out there will then be
    less of a problem, I'm sure.

    Some good online shops/makes to browse: parrot-online.comparrot-online.com lusso.co.uklusso.co.uk
    wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.uk mwdyason.ltd.ukshop.asp chainreactioncycles.comchainreactioncycles.com

    ~PB

  16. Saint said:

    OK here goes - I confess I am a lazy cyclist. I love my bike, I love riding.

    Except in the winter. I hate it.

    I live in a town so all busy roads and I have not yet managed to get on my bike once since
    September of last year when the nights began to draw in and the thought of the cold overrode any
    semblance of enthuisiasm I had.

    Trouble is, in October I was diagnosed with an illness which I will have for life and have to
    regulate solely through my diet. My Consultant has told me I need to lose a stone in weight and
    the thought of a boring gym is abhorrent.

    So, you people who ride all year long - I am after help as to the sort of gear I will need to
    negate the effects of the cold, as I can only ride at night during the week. My bike (Trek 1200)
    is kitted out with decent lights so no worries there - it's more the clothing side of stuff I am
    after. Added to pots of motivation of course.....

    OK, riding on urban roads in winter is grim. Riding on urban roads in winter in the dark is grimmer.
    OTOH, I went for a six mile off-road spin through the woods at eight thirty last night in the
    moonlight and it was brilliant.

    This really is a lifestyle thing and you may have to consider changing more about your lifestyle.
    Don't be afraid to stick the bike on the back of the car (if you have one) and drive out of town to
    quieter roads or off-road tracks to start your cycling - if you can find somewhere where you can
    actually enjoy cycling it will make it easier to get back into it. But the other thing to consider
    is whether, for your health, you really ought to move to somewhere where it is easier and more
    pleasant to cycle more often.

    Smaller changes you can make: get decent winter cycling boots, and a pair of Sealskinz socks. Warm
    dry comfortable feet make a huge difference. Get yourself a pair of good quality comfortable bib
    longs. Get yourself a sufficiently large bag for your bike that you can take two pairs of gloves -
    track mits and big insultated ones - and swap them when your hands are too warm/cold (and similarly
    with hats).

    You might also try borrowing an MTB with some lumicycle lights (or equivalent) and blasting round
    some local singletrack - cycling off-road at night with decent lights is a total hoot. You may find
    that off-road cycling is a quicker and more enjoyable way of getting exercise than on-road. I do
    both but enjoy the off-road more.

    Finally, good luck. I was diagnosed this summer with deep vein thrombosis, a consequence of spending
    too much of my life sitting at a desk. Fortunately cycling has always been a passion of mine so
    getting into cycling more regularly hasn't been at all difficult. Doing something you enjoy to save
    your life is actually rather a good deal.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon ;; Sending your money to
    someone just because they've erected ;; a barrier of obscurity and secrets around the tools you ;;
    need to use your data does not help the economy or spur ;; innovation. - Waffle Iron Slashdot, June
    16th, 2002

  17. Quoted message said:

    Personal recipe is b*bshorts (forgive me Helen)

    Never! The cardinal sin... b*bs!

    Beware low-flying paving slabs ;-)

    The PSF...

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  18. Arthur Clune said:

    How about some commuting/utility trips? Get a trailer to do the shopping?

    Yes. I will be smiling as I ride back from Comet tomorrow with my new Fridge (taking the old one to
    the dump I was greeted with "The lads'll no believe me if I tell them a boy turned up with a fridge
    on a pushbike!" followed by a lengthy blether about the wonders of bikes).

    Another bit of cycling I particularly enjoy is taking the 'bent along beside the Hilton's gym and
    waving regally to the folk working hard to get nowhere from my comfy chair. Motivates *me*, I'm not
    so sure about them!

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
    dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  19. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Tony W <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK here goes - I confess I am a lazy cyclist. I love my bike, I love riding.

    Except in the winter. I hate it.

    My thoughts are :-

    4. Stay dry. Cycling in the rain CAN also be magical -- though it can also be a PIA :~(
    Something to keep the rain out while remaining breathable is good.


    Especially, make sure to wear almost nothing underneath the waterproof, and don't worry too much
    about exposing light clothing to the rain, unless it's very heavy. Light rain can be ignored.

    My main piece of advice is to wear some good (warm gloves). I find once I've taken care of that, I
    don't have to worry about anything else (except lighting)

    A

  20. Simon Brooke said:

    OK, riding on urban roads in winter is grim. Riding on urban roads in winter in the dark is
    grimmer.

    I don't find it as bad as people make out. Bit like riding in typical drizzle: just get on with it
    and it really isn't anything to moan about once you're out doing it. The reality isn't a problem,
    just the anticipation of it.

    Aside from wearing a jacket and some Sealskinz socks more often there isn't much practical
    difference for me, and as long as you've got mudguards to keep you from being sprayed with crunge
    doubt there would need to be for anyone else.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
    dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

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