Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:
>
> How about you and yours simply obeying the Vehicle Code and not press
> your luck playing Chicken with 15,000 lb moving mounds of steel?

We don't do that, and every reasonable, rational person
knows that it's a red herring to suggest we do so.

This ******** about cylcists making life hard for drivers
is just too much!

Unless by "playing Chicken" you mean we have a presence
on the streets that compels your twisted psychology to
maliciously aim at us.

If you shoved your hate up your ass, it might return
to where it belongs. Harbour & keep it there, and
strive to not let it leak out into the world.

I hope you don't get involved in a single-vehicle
collision with a stout tree (where the tree at
least survives.)

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

 

[ComandanteBanana]

On Apr 22, 9:34 pm, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:33:27 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Apr 22, 2:49 pm, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >What do you need to survive in the jungle?
>
> >> >- Knife (for peeling fruits)
>
> >> >- CD player (to block out noise from roaring lions)
>
> >> Waste of space and batteries.  If you need music, an MP3 player is
> >> much better, and most run off (2) AAA batteries, which may be
> >> recharged from a simple solar cell charger.  Best get one with a radio
> >> in it.
>
> >> >- Toilet paper (often toilets are out of them)
>
> >> >- Lipstics and mirror (ladies only)
>
> >> Chapstick yes, wtf lipstick?????
>
> >In the cement jungle, ladies do their lips all the time. Too bad if
> >they don't see the cyclist.
>
> Huh?
>
>
>
> >> >- Bananas (to eat, they can be dried)
>
> >> They are good, but not all that good.
>
> >They say "it's the perfect food"...
>
> They were wrong.  Beans and rice combined are the perfect food.
> Bananas will keep you going for a very long time indeed, but you will
> ultimately have issues with missing trace elements and amino acids.

I LOVE rice and beans, but I guess it would have to be brown rice to
be nutritious.

> >Well, it's always good. I want to dry foods for my canoe trips and
> >have somewhat successful, but I mostly do daytrips.
>
> Where you may have rescue.

Yeah, no more than a mile away from shore.

>
> Now what do you have stored at home or in your vehicle?
>
> Can you manage 72 hours at 2 minutes notice? How about 3 weeks?

Nope. I don't see the case in preparing for WWIII.

I think we should work toward prevent it though.

 

[ComandanteBanana]

On Apr 22, 9:56 pm, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:

> All brought to a screeching halt by the anti-gun zealots.
> When the educational system is controlled by Liberals..the last thing
> they want is anything to do with firearms.

You bet I'm not a Conservative, but I see a sort of Libertarian model
fitting for America... the Swiss (and they even have universal
healthcare and tough environmental policies for those on the left)...

DIFFERENT CULTURES, DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS. The apparent contradiction
between "no king of the jungle" and Scandinavia, where they have
royalty, is easy to explain: Their lion have been tamed, or better
said, he was smart enough to tame himself (though still there in
international affairs). It ranks #1 in standard of living, but that is
due to having the lowest corruption in the world AND having high
taxes, something unlikely to be desired by many... But other systems
are available: First, the decentralized Swiss system* has a lower
taxation rate and introduces a very democratic principle among
competitive cantons and communes: VOTE WITH YOUR FEET; second, the
successful cooperatives that exist in places like Israel, the Basque
Country and Denmark. Coops are the ideal in that there's no lion in
them. They can reach the 'good life' even without money.

*The Swiss model is an alternative for those who hate the word
"socialism" in any form and it's cited by the Libertarians.

 

[ComandanteBanana]

On Apr 22, 10:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > > occasional skinned knee. So again: quit whining.
>
> > I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> > killed by a drunk driver.
>
> Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
> vehicles. I've had four close family members seriously injured in
> car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.
>
> For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> fatalities.
>
> Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> possibilities thereof. You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> much more dangerous than it is.
>
> Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. Who pays your
> salary? Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it. That's why
I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
other than rider training or mental toughness. How about the stupid
drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there? Haven't you noticed the
few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks? So *YOU*
are the one defending the status quo, one where GM and Exxon thrive,
one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...

The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street

"The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry. As if that
weren’t enough, the urban cyclist must carry the weight of history
along on every ride.
After a brief heyday at the turn of the twentieth century, American
cyclists fell out of the social consciousness, becoming an
afterthought when our cities were planned and built. Cyclists today
are left to navigate, like rats in a sewer, through a hard and
unsympathetic world that was not made for them. Yet, with the proper
attitude and a bit of knowledge, urban cyclists can thrive in this
hostile environment."

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Urban-Cyc...7837/ref=pd_sim_b_title_1/104-6001352-1213502

And we need to fix the sewer...

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:26:52 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>And I'm certainly no bully. Not many riders are.
>
>Many more drivers are.


Your very one sided and biased opinion is noted.

Gunner

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:02:55 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> How about you and yours simply obeying the Vehicle Code and not press
>> your luck playing Chicken with 15,000 lb moving mounds of steel?
>
>We don't do that, and every reasonable, rational person
>knows that it's a red herring to suggest we do so.

Unfortunatly, all too many cyclists do exactly that. I attribute much
of it to ignorance, but a great deal of it to arrogance.
>
>This ******** about cylcists making life hard for drivers
>is just too much!

Denial..etc etc.
>
>Unless by "playing Chicken" you mean we have a presence
>on the streets that compels your twisted psychology to
>maliciously aim at us.

Running red lights, weaving in and out of parked cars, etc etc are all
marks of safety minded bike riders, right?
>
>If you shoved your hate up your ass, it might return
>to where it belongs. Harbour & keep it there, and
>strive to not let it leak out into the world.

Hate? Hummm disgust at buffoons is hate?

Methinks you doth protest way way too much. Afraid to look at your own
riding "skills", Id bet.
>
>I hope you don't get involved in a single-vehicle
>collision with a stout tree (where the tree at
>least survives.)

So far, after 15 million miles and a number of driving awards, Ive not
hit a tree. But Ill let you know when I do.

Be sure to carry your Organ Donor card in your personal effects
Someone will need it. Fortunately, they cant do brains yet..so the
recipient will be safe.

Gunner


Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

 

[Tom Sherman]

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> [...]Coops are the ideal in that there's no lion in
> them.[...]

But coops are full of chickens.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Gunner Asch wrote:
> [...]
> You seem to forget that Denial is not a river in Egypt.
>
Denial is a full-size SUV from GM, but they mistakenly transpose it as
"Denali".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 22, 9:34 pm, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Where you may have rescue.
>> Yeah, no more than a mile away from shore.
>
> Ayup. A PDF and some dog paddling and you are safe.

So I should take my computer with Acrobat Writer when boating?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Jym Dyer]

v> Is there a way to kill-filter both Dolan AND anyone
> who responds to his trollery?

=x= I use Emacs with gnus, which gives me the full power of
Lisp for filtering. I killfile Dolan by his email address,
and use some cross-posting detection to ditch the threads.

=x= A more full-blown approach would be to keep track of
the "Message-ID" fields and killfile followups based on the
"References" and/or "In-Reply-To" fields. I did something
like that some years back, but decided that I needn't waste
all that overhead on some stupid trolls; so the above is
what I do these days.
<_Jym_>

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[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:26:52 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>
>>And I'm certainly no bully. Not many riders are.
>>
>>Many more drivers are.
>
>
> Your very one sided and biased opinion is noted.

Gooood for you. Finish your dinner without getting
any on your clothes, and you'll get a nice dessert.


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:

> Felcher..Im a bike rider too. Prejudices my ass. I also drive some
> 65,000 miles a year, a fair amount of it in urban area with bike
> riders. And you?

Goof.

My bikes /are/ my cars.

So you drive 65,000 miles a year in an urban area fraught
with bike riders such as myself, eh?

If ya wanna be proud of that, go ahead. Knock yerself out.

>>You use question marks too much.
>
> You seem to forget that Denial is not a river in Egypt.

At least I know how to punctuate. <shrug> Forgive me.
I'm literate.

--
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:

>>If you shoved your hate up your ass, it might return
>>to where it belongs. Harbour & keep it there, and
>>strive to not let it leak out into the world.
>
> Hate? Hummm disgust at buffoons is hate?
>
> Methinks you doth protest way way too much. Afraid to look at your own
> riding "skills", Id bet.

You're the driver who complains about being
"bullied" by cyclists.

I'm not complaining about anything. I can
right handily deal with the likes of you.

>>I hope you don't get involved in a single-vehicle
>>collision with a stout tree (where the tree at
>>least survives.)
>
> So far, after 15 million miles and a number of driving awards, Ive not
> hit a tree. But Ill let you know when I do.
>
> Be sure to carry your Organ Donor card in your personal effects
> Someone will need it. Fortunately, they cant do brains yet..so the
> recipient will be safe.

If "they" can't do brains yet, how could there
be recipients?

I see your question mark key is working all
too well, but your apostrophe key isn't at all.

Maybe I should carry a Keyboard Donor card.


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

 

[Gunner]

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:21:42 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Felcher..Im a bike rider too. Prejudices my ass. I also drive some
>> 65,000 miles a year, a fair amount of it in urban area with bike
>> riders. And you?
>
>Goof.
>
>My bikes /are/ my cars.

Bummer. Couldnt afford a motor vehicle eh?
>
>So you drive 65,000 miles a year in an urban area fraught
>with bike riders such as myself, eh?

Urban and rural.
>
>If ya wanna be proud of that, go ahead. Knock yerself out.

Why shouldnt I be?
>
>>>You use question marks too much.
>>
>> You seem to forget that Denial is not a river in Egypt.
>
>At least I know how to punctuate. <shrug> Forgive me.
>I'm literate.

Spelling/punctuation flames are the last resort of the buffoon.

Gunner

 

[Gunner]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:41:16 -0500, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 22, 9:34 pm, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Where you may have rescue.
>>> Yeah, no more than a mile away from shore.
>>
>> Ayup. A PDF and some dog paddling and you are safe.
>
>So I should take my computer with Acrobat Writer when boating?


Sigh..dyslexics untie!

PFD.. personal floatation device.

I tend to post after work..often 16-18 hour days...

Gunner

 

[Gunner]

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:58:51 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:26:52 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>And I'm certainly no bully. Not many riders are.
>>>
>>>Many more drivers are.
>>
>>
>> Your very one sided and biased opinion is noted.
>
>Gooood for you. Finish your dinner without getting
>any on your clothes, and you'll get a nice dessert.


ooooh! Coookieess!

Gunner

 

[ComandanteBanana]

On Apr 23, 10:34 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > [...]Coops are the ideal in that there's no lion in
> > them.[...]
>
> But coops are full of chickens.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

And bicycle path where the kids can ride safely too. Try that in the
outside world.

Organization
Most kibbutzim are laid out according to a similar plan. The
residential area encompasses carefully-tended members' homes and
gardens, children's houses and playgrounds for every age group, and
communal facilities such as a dining hall, auditorium, library,
swimming pool, tennis court, medical clinic, laundry, grocery and the
like. Adjacent to the living quarters are sheds for dairy cattle and
modern chicken coops, as well as one or more industrial plants.
Agricultural fields, orchards and fish ponds are located around the
perimeter, a short tractor ride from the center. To get from place to
place within the kibbutz, people either walk or ride bicycles, while
electric carts are provided for the disabled and elderly.

 

[ComandanteBanana]

On Apr 24, 12:23 pm, Gunner <[email protected]> wrote:

I took note of them for later reading. You have the first bunch handy?
I'd have to look for them again...

Hey, I've found that cycling is very much like survival: PRAY FOR THE
BEST, BUT BE READY FOR THE WORST.

Some fools around here claim riding a bike is fine if you have the
mental attitude, with little concern for safety. If you know some
predator are out there (you only need one) may harm you, you better
not share the road with them. Clearly the solution is separation or
speed regulation, but they don't want either one.

It's like going into bear country with a pot of honey...

 

[marika]

"Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Gooood for you. Finish your dinner without getting
> any on your clothes, and you'll get a nice dessert.
>


is he permitted to take his clothes off to accomplish the task?

mk5000

Percy Alleline: Merlin is the fruit of a long cultivation by certain people
in the circus. People who are bound to me as I am to them. People who are
not at all entertained by the failure rate about this place. There's been
too much blown, too much lost, too much wasted. Too many scandals. I've said
so many times, but I might as well have talked to the wind for all the heed
he paid me.
Control: "He" means me, George.
Percy Alleline: The ordinary principles of tradecraft and security have gone
to the wall in this service. It's all "divide and rule," stimulated from the
top.
Control: Me again.
Percy Alleline: We're losing our livelihood. Our self-respect. We've had
enough. We've had a bellyful, in fact.
Control: And like everybody who's ever had enough, he wants more! --Tiner
Tailor Soldier Spy

 

[marika]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Gunner Asch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [...]
>> Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
>> illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
>> unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
>> proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
>> end.
>
> Gunner is all about turds. He eats them! It is part of his survival
> skills. He also drinks his own ****.


I heard Gandhi did that too.


mk5000


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