What a crock. The AHA has to go.

Bob in CT wrote:
:: "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
:: cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to
:: the American Heart Association."
::
:: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/
::
:: And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
:: support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
:: showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart
:: disease or stroke?

Interestingly, the body stores energy in fat....saturated fat, that it can
then use for energy when food is not available, or when one is trying to
lose weight. Thus, according to the AHA, the body is actually doing itself
harm in using its own saturated fat.

Wow.

RN's vs. MD's?

Doesn't matter, the mantra is fat is bad. And Saturated fat will kill.

do you believe you can bend the spoon?

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the
American Heart Association."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/

And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart disease
or stroke?

--
Bob in CT

Bob in CT said:

"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the
American Heart Association."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/

And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart disease
or stroke?

--
Bob in CT

Don't mistake the AHA as an altruistic "non-profit". It is a "non-
profit" working directly for "for-profits". Propagandising for profits
is their raison-d'etre.

http://cspinet.org/integrity/nonprofits/american_heart_association.html

AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION

The AHA offers food manufacturers a food certification program,
labeling with the Association's "heart-check mark" foods that are low
in fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol. To cover the costs of
administering the program, the AHA charges companies on a per product
basis $7,500 for 1-9 products, $6,750 for 10-24 products and $5,940
for 25-99 products in their first year. To renew in subsequent years,
the prices are $4,500, $4,050, and $3,570 respectively. (Email from
Wilma Davis to CSPI, written 5/22/03; on file at CSPI) CSPI estimates
that in 2002, with over 630 products certified, the AHA received over
$2 million from its food certification program. (http://216.110.59.27/
productlist.aspx; accessed 5/22/03)

Merck is spending $400,000 to finance an AHA program teaching 40,000
doctors to treat cholesterol according to guidelines. (Wall Street
Journal, 6/14/98)

American Heart Association was paid $450,000 by the Florida grapefruit
growers for exclusive grapefruit use of the Association's heart-
healthy endorsement. (Phila. Inquirer, 5/7/97)

American Heart Association has received $1.1 million (and an annual
renewal potential of about $300,000) from food manufacturers as
license fees to use the "heart check mark." (Philadelphia Inquirer,
5/7/97)

AHA charges $2,500 (plus a yearly renewal charge of $650) for a
company to put the association's heart-check symbol on a package.
Florida Dept. of Citrus paid $450,000 for exclusive promotion and
advertising contract from 1994 until early 1997. The National
Cattlemen's Beef Association paid $25,000 for its arrangement with the
AHA to promote lean cuts of beef. For an agreement with ConAgra in
1992-93, the AHA received $3,500,000 for a TV program on nutrition.
For companies that want an exclusive agreement with the AHA like that
of the Florida citrus growers, the cost is $55,000 a quarter or
$200,000 a year. Without exclusivity the cost is $25,000 a quarter or
$90,000 a year. (New York Times, 10/22/97)

National Livestock and Meat Board gave $189,000 to the AHA to sponsor
the HeartRide cycling series. AHA says the program will help ensure
that people don't think that AHA recommends abstaining from meat. (IEG
Sponsorship Report, on file at CSPI)

American Heart Association has endorsed only Bayer aspirin. (New
England Journal of Medicine, 9/4/97, p. 700) According to Kramer
Laboratories, Inc. (Miami), "Bayer, as we understand it, contributes
over $500,000 a year to the American Heart Association." (Letter to
AHA, 9/23/96) Web site is sponsored by Pfizer, Campbell, ConAgra
(Healthy Choice), and Hoechst (Tufts Nutrition Navigator web site).

Corporate Contributors greater than $100,000 include:

AstraZeneca LP
Sanofi-Aventis
Bayer Corporation
Braman Motors
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
Centocor Inc.
Clear Channel Outdoor
ConAgra Foods
GlaxoSmithKline
IBM Co.
KOS Pharmaceuticals
Merck & Co., Inc.
Microlife Co.
Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corp.
PacifiCare
Pfizer, Inc.
Procter & Gamble Company
Roche Diagnostics
Ross Stores
Schering-Plough Corporation
Subway
Toyota Motor Co.
Walgreen Co.
American Heart Association 2005 Annual Report (http://
www.americanheart.org/downloadable/heart/1137166221820AHA%2005.pdf;
accessed 4/26/06)

Bob in CT said:

"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the
American Heart Association."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/

And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart disease
or stroke?

--
Bob in CT

AHA Corporate and other Donors from the 2006 Annual Report:

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3044137

$1,000,000-4,999,999
AstraZeneca
Bayer
Bristol-Myers Squibb
Campbell's Soup
ConAgra Foods (Healthy Choice)
GlaxoSmithKline
IBM Corporation
The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Kellogg's
KOS Pharmaceuticals
Macy's
Merck & Co., Inc.
Merck/Schering Plough
NFL CHARITIES
Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation
Pfizer Pharmaceuticals
Ross Stores, Inc.
Sanofi-Aventis
Subway® restaurants
Takeda
Tenet Healthcare
Walgreens

$500,000-999,999
ACH Food Companies (Mazola)
Boehringer Ingelheim
John Chalsty
Cordis Corporation
IBM Employee Giving Campaign
Macy's
Merck & Co., Inc.
PacifiCare Foundation
Pfizer, Inc.
Ross Stores, Inc.
Schering Plough
Wyeth

$250,000-499,999
Abbott Labs Employee Giving
Campaign
Almond Board of California
American Heart Association Employee
Giving Campaign
Anonymous
Boston Scientific Corporation
Brighton
ConAgra Foods, Inc. (HQ)
Dakota Medical Foundation
Flooring America
The French Room, LLC (Le Mystere)
Hamilton Beach
Hanes
HSBC Employee Giving Campaign
KeyBank National Association
Merck & Company Inc.
Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
Microlife Corporation
Nitromed
Ocean Spray
Omron Healthcare, Inc.
Perfumania
Printpak Inc./The Gay and Erskin Love
Foundation
Reliant
Roche Diagnostics
Sanofi-Synthelabo
Sara Lee
Williamsburg Community Health
Foundation
Women's Board of the Greater
Washington Area

$100,000-249,999
Abbott Laboratories Fund
Abbott Vascular
Amgen, Inc.
Anonymous
Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Arkansas Department of Health
Bank of America
Blue Cross Blue Shield of North
Carolina
Bon Secours Richmond Health System
WCAU-TV NBC-10
The Harry and Jeanette Weinberg
Foundation
Wells Fargo
WESH 2 News
West Penn Allegheny Health System
WGFL-TV CBS 4
William Beaumont Hospital Employee
Giving Campaign
WMGF Magic 107.7FM
WNEP-TV 16
WSMV-TV
WTAE-TV 4
Wuesthoff Heart Center
WXIA-TV (NBC)
Yankee Candle

2Phat said:

RN's vs. MD's?

Hunh?

Quoted message said:

Doesn't matter, the mantra is fat is bad. And Saturated fat will kill.

See, this is why top posting sucks. No one can follow what you are
talking about.

Quoted message said:

do you believe you can bend the spoon?

Sure, why not. I believe I can eat more fat and lose more weight. The
weight lifting must pay off somewhere.

Quoted message said:

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the
American Heart Association."

Quoted message said:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/

Quoted message said:

And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart disease
or stroke?

Quoted message said:

--
Bob in CT

You bring up a good point. You have to pay the AHA to have one of their
stickers? That's insane.

Here's one study:

"Among the 48,835 women who participated in the trial, there were no
significant differences in the rates of colorectal cancer, heart disease,
or stroke between the group who followed a low-fat dietary plan and the
comparison group who followed their normal dietary patterns."

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/feb2006/nhlbi-07.htm

So much for "saturated fat = heart disease and stroke".

Tunderbar said:

Bob in CT said:

"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the
American Heart Association."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/

And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart
disease
or stroke?

--
Bob in CT

Don't mistake the AHA as an altruistic "non-profit". It is a "non-
profit" working directly for "for-profits". Propagandising for profits
is their raison-d'etre.

http://cspinet.org/integrity/nonprofits/american_heart_association.html

AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION

The AHA offers food manufacturers a food certification program,
labeling with the Association's "heart-check mark" foods that are low
in fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol. To cover the costs of
administering the program, the AHA charges companies on a per product
basis $7,500 for 1-9 products, $6,750 for 10-24 products and $5,940
for 25-99 products in their first year. To renew in subsequent years,
the prices are $4,500, $4,050, and $3,570 respectively. (Email from
Wilma Davis to CSPI, written 5/22/03; on file at CSPI) CSPI estimates
that in 2002, with over 630 products certified, the AHA received over
$2 million from its food certification program. (http://216.110.59.27/
productlist.aspx; accessed 5/22/03)

Merck is spending $400,000 to finance an AHA program teaching 40,000
doctors to treat cholesterol according to guidelines. (Wall Street
Journal, 6/14/98)

American Heart Association was paid $450,000 by the Florida grapefruit
growers for exclusive grapefruit use of the Association's heart-
healthy endorsement. (Phila. Inquirer, 5/7/97)

American Heart Association has received $1.1 million (and an annual
renewal potential of about $300,000) from food manufacturers as
license fees to use the "heart check mark." (Philadelphia Inquirer,
5/7/97)

AHA charges $2,500 (plus a yearly renewal charge of $650) for a
company to put the association's heart-check symbol on a package.
Florida Dept. of Citrus paid $450,000 for exclusive promotion and
advertising contract from 1994 until early 1997. The National
Cattlemen's Beef Association paid $25,000 for its arrangement with the
AHA to promote lean cuts of beef. For an agreement with ConAgra in
1992-93, the AHA received $3,500,000 for a TV program on nutrition.
For companies that want an exclusive agreement with the AHA like that
of the Florida citrus growers, the cost is $55,000 a quarter or
$200,000 a year. Without exclusivity the cost is $25,000 a quarter or
$90,000 a year. (New York Times, 10/22/97)

National Livestock and Meat Board gave $189,000 to the AHA to sponsor
the HeartRide cycling series. AHA says the program will help ensure
that people don't think that AHA recommends abstaining from meat. (IEG
Sponsorship Report, on file at CSPI)

American Heart Association has endorsed only Bayer aspirin. (New
England Journal of Medicine, 9/4/97, p. 700) According to Kramer
Laboratories, Inc. (Miami), "Bayer, as we understand it, contributes
over $500,000 a year to the American Heart Association." (Letter to
AHA, 9/23/96) Web site is sponsored by Pfizer, Campbell, ConAgra
(Healthy Choice), and Hoechst (Tufts Nutrition Navigator web site).

Corporate Contributors greater than $100,000 include:

AstraZeneca LP
Sanofi-Aventis
Bayer Corporation
Braman Motors
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
Centocor Inc.
Clear Channel Outdoor
ConAgra Foods
GlaxoSmithKline
IBM Co.
KOS Pharmaceuticals
Merck & Co., Inc.
Microlife Co.
Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corp.
PacifiCare
Pfizer, Inc.
Procter & Gamble Company
Roche Diagnostics
Ross Stores
Schering-Plough Corporation
Subway
Toyota Motor Co.
Walgreen Co.
American Heart Association 2005 Annual Report (http://
www.americanheart.org/downloadable/heart/1137166221820AHA%2005.pdf;
accessed 4/26/06)

--
Bob in CT

They talk about about meat but what about fish and poultry? I mean, we all
know that eating nothing but red meat is probably not the best protein
source we could have daily, at least I think so. I couldn't eat steak or
burger every single day. I eat mostly fish, chicken, shell fish and buffalo
actually. I do eat steak probably twice a week though. Pork maybe once.

Carol j

Bob in CT said:

"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to
the American Heart Association."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/

And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart
disease or stroke?

Nurses know much, much more about nutrition than any MD.........MD's only
learn it in relation to heart disease, diabetes or whatever system they are
learning about. Nurses have to have alot of credit hours in basic
nutrition, plus in relationship to particular body systems. Why do you
think that doctors send patients to dietitions? Even an LPN, which I am,
has to have 75 credit hours of basic nutrition.

Carol j

2Phat said:

RN's vs. MD's?

Doesn't matter, the mantra is fat is bad. And Saturated fat will
kill.

do you believe you can bend the spoon?

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to
the American Heart Association."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/

And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart
disease or stroke?

--
Bob in CT

Dear Carol,

It all depends on how you define the word "meat." I come from rural
Indiana and all of the items you listed below we simply called "meat."
If it was a living animal, it was meat. Frankly I never could understand
why some people don't consider chicken, fish, pork, etc. "meat." After
all of these years it still doesn't make sense to me.

Barbara

Carol J said:

They talk about about meat but what about fish and poultry? I mean, we all
know that eating nothing but red meat is probably not the best protein
source we could have daily, at least I think so. I couldn't eat steak or
burger every single day. I eat mostly fish, chicken, shell fish and buffalo
actually. I do eat steak probably twice a week though. Pork maybe once.

Carol j

Bob in CT said:

"Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats raises your
cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and stroke, according to
the American Heart Association."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/

And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies that do not
support this conclusion? Including the massive study of nurses that
showed a reduction in fat was not associated in any way with heart
disease or stroke?

60 of which contain bad information?

Carol J wrote:
| Nurses know much, much more about nutrition than any MD.........MD's
| only learn it in relation to heart disease, diabetes or whatever
| system they are learning about. Nurses have to have alot of credit
| hours in basic nutrition, plus in relationship to particular body
| systems. Why do you think that doctors send patients to dietitions?
| Even an LPN, which I am, has to have 75 credit hours of basic
| nutrition.
|
| Carol j
|
|
|

I dunno, why don't you contact them and ask them? Stop trying to pick a
fight, don't you have something else better in your REAL life than picking
fights with people you don't know? Get a life.......I hear they are on sale
at Wal-mart................

Carolj

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
60 of which contain bad information?

Carol J wrote:
| Nurses know much, much more about nutrition than any MD.........MD's
| only learn it in relation to heart disease, diabetes or whatever
| system they are learning about. Nurses have to have alot of credit
| hours in basic nutrition, plus in relationship to particular body
| systems. Why do you think that doctors send patients to dietitions?
| Even an LPN, which I am, has to have 75 credit hours of basic
| nutrition.
|
| Carol j
|
|
|

Bob in CT <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| "Eating foods that contain high levels of saturated fats
|| raises your cholesterol and your risk of heart disease and
|| stroke, according to the American Heart Association."
||
|| http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18310903/
||
|| And what about the tons -- and I means tons -- of studies
|| that do not support this conclusion? Including the massive
|| study of nurses that showed a reduction in fat was not
|| associated in any way with heart disease or stroke?
||
||
|| --
|| Bob in CT

Just like a lot of people in this group. We believe what we
believe and no amount of facts will change our minds. :o)

BJ
--
--
"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on
the set, I go into the other room and read a book." -- Groucho
Marx

"Since early 2005, more than 150 million personal records have
been exposed in dozens of incidents, according to information
compiled by the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. " - Companies that
collect this data must be held accountable for its security.

It makes no sense to me either.

Cheri

BJPruett wrote in message

<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

It all depends on how you define the word "meat." I come from rural
Indiana and all of the items you listed below we simply called

"meat."

Quoted message said:

If it was a living animal, it was meat. Frankly I never could

understand

Quoted message said:

why some people don't consider chicken, fish, pork, etc. "meat."

After

Quoted message said:

all of these years it still doesn't make sense to me.

Quoted message said:

Barbara

Well, I have heard of many nutritionists following the ADA feed carbs to
diabetics strategy, they must have learned that [censored] somewhere. This is my
life, I worked and earned my retirement. If you knew so much about
nutrition from your training how why did it take you so long to discover how
to eat right (according to your own posts)? And I don't shop at Walmart.

Carol J wrote:
| I dunno, why don't you contact them and ask them? Stop trying to
| pick a fight, don't you have something else better in your REAL life
| than picking fights with people you don't know? Get a life.......I
| hear they are on sale at Wal-mart................
|
| Carolj
|
| "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
| 60 of which contain bad information?
|
| Carol J wrote:
|| Nurses know much, much more about nutrition than any MD.........MD's
|| only learn it in relation to heart disease, diabetes or whatever
|| system they are learning about. Nurses have to have alot of credit
|| hours in basic nutrition, plus in relationship to particular body
|| systems. Why do you think that doctors send patients to dietitions?
|| Even an LPN, which I am, has to have 75 credit hours of basic
|| nutrition.
||
|| Carol j

Cheir:

Don't top post, Hollywood will blow up.

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It makes no sense to me either.

Cheri

BJPruett wrote in message

<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

It all depends on how you define the word "meat." I come from rural
Indiana and all of the items you listed below we simply called

"meat."

Quoted message said:

If it was a living animal, it was meat. Frankly I never could

understand

Quoted message said:

why some people don't consider chicken, fish, pork, etc. "meat."

After

Quoted message said:

all of these years it still doesn't make sense to me.

Quoted message said:

Barbara

Carol J said:

They talk about about meat but what about fish and poultry? I mean, we all
know that eating nothing but red meat is probably not the best protein
source we could have daily, at least I think so. I couldn't eat steak or
burger every single day. I eat mostly fish, chicken, shell fish and buffalo
actually. I do eat steak probably twice a week though. Pork maybe once.

What is so terrible about red meat? My research suggests otherwise:
"The Red Meat Remedy - Trade carbs for red meat and lower your blood
pressure"
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=nutrition&conitem=250c8142d510c010VgnVCM200000cee793cd____

"Right on Red - You already knew beef builds muscle. But did you know
that it makes you smarter?"
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=nutrition&category=food.for.fitness&conitem=034a99edbbbd201099edbbbd2010cfe793cd____

Plus:
"Feasting on Steak doesn't raise your risk of cancer, according to
Australian researchers... scientists found that eating high amounts of
unprocessed beef doesn't increase oxidative stress or inflammation...
This is likely because fresh products such as steak and hamburger have
only one ingredient: meat...."

I don't buy this Red Meat Red Scare anymore. It's too damn tasty and
too damn nutritious to be bad. As much as Oprah may believe
differently.

Hey Phat,

GFYS.

2Phat said:

Cheir:

Don't top post, Hollywood will blow up.

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It makes no sense to me either.

Quoted message said:

Cheri

Quoted message said:

BJPruett wrote in message

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

It all depends on how you define the word "meat." I come from rural
Indiana and all of the items you listed below we simply called

"meat."

Quoted message said:

If it was a living animal, it was meat. Frankly I never could

understand

Quoted message said:

why some people don't consider chicken, fish, pork, etc. "meat."

After

Quoted message said:

all of these years it still doesn't make sense to me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Barbara

Hollywood said:

2Phat said:

RN's vs. MD's?

Hunh?

Quoted message said:

Doesn't matter, the mantra is fat is bad. And Saturated fat will
kill.

See, this is why top posting sucks. No one can follow what you are
talking about.

Ordinarily I'd agree, but in this case, I'm not sure posting with
context would help any.

--
Aaron -- 285/235/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

"I don't have a TV now, but that's ok. The shows in my mind are
almost always better." -- The Maxx

You're out of date, The ADA now recommends diabetes to follow the glycemic
index list. Choose carbs from the low end and moderate occasionally. At
least that's what they recommend in my neck of the woods. I believe you
have misread one of my recent posts somewhere along the line...........what
I was TAUGHT in nursing school, some 20 years ago, is old news as well. And
yes, it took me YEARS to figure out that I should not have certain complex
carbs but at least I learned. And I also don't feel the need to supplement
my life by starting fights on usenet, as YOU apparently feel the need to do.
don't shop at Wally world? Try Target. PLONK.......

Carol j

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Well, I have heard of many nutritionists following the ADA feed carbs to
diabetics strategy, they must have learned that [censored] somewhere. This is my
life, I worked and earned my retirement. If you knew so much about
nutrition from your training how why did it take you so long to discover how
to eat right (according to your own posts)? And I don't shop at Walmart.

Carol J wrote:
| I dunno, why don't you contact them and ask them? Stop trying to
| pick a fight, don't you have something else better in your REAL life
| than picking fights with people you don't know? Get a life.......I
| hear they are on sale at Wal-mart................
|
| Carolj
|
| "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
| 60 of which contain bad information?
|
| Carol J wrote:
|| Nurses know much, much more about nutrition than any MD.........MD's
|| only learn it in relation to heart disease, diabetes or whatever
|| system they are learning about. Nurses have to have alot of credit
|| hours in basic nutrition, plus in relationship to particular body
|| systems. Why do you think that doctors send patients to dietitions?
|| Even an LPN, which I am, has to have 75 credit hours of basic
|| nutrition.
||
|| Carol j