Vinokourov... oh man.... :(



dewatf wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:25:23 -0700, Bleve wrote:
>
>> The detection method is complex, but the theory is reasonably
>> simple - here's a tip, it does *not* involve DNA testing (at least,
>> not initially, too expensive), it involves testing for the age
>> distribution of red blood cells.

>
> The reason they don't use DNA testing is that red blood cells don't contain
> DNA, they loose their cell nucleus and are basically just haemoglobin in a
> membrane. RBCs thus can't repair themselves and have a life cycle from
> reticulocytes produced in bone marrow to erythrcytes that function for 3-4
> months then are then cleaned out by the spleen. Anyay most blood dopers
> have stored up their own blood.
>
> They test for the number of red blood cells and amount of iron looking for
> abnormally high values. The latest test is to look at the ratio of young to
> old RBCs as transfusions increase the number of old RBCs.
>
> It is a shame for Vinokurov, ending his career in infamy and loosing two
> classic stage wins.
>
> dewatf.
>
>
>


I can't help wondering if they ask for the stuff or if they get talked
into it. Most of them seem like decent people, don't they realize that
you can't beat technology these days?
People that do well in the Tour and then get busted for drugs look
really really dumb. They should have "I'm a ********" tattoed on their
forehead.

Dorfus
 
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:47:58 +0800, Theo Bekkers wrote:

> Damn, that's very sad.


Only if Vinkurov has been done in by some flaw in the test methodology, as
he and they all claim.

Otherwise a cheat has been exposed, Cadel Evans has stage win and Kloden
won't be battling for a spot on the podium.

dewatf.
 
On Jul 25, 7:18 pm, TimC <[email protected]
astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
> On 2007-07-25, Donga (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> > On Jul 25, 5:41 pm, Terryc <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> >> Wonder if the guy is related to borat?

>
> > An important philosophical question is what effect this will have on
> > the standing of Borat in Kazakhstan. Presently Borat is the sixth most
> > important. Was Vino more important? Is he still? Was he less important
> > and is now more important than Borat? In other words, after this
> > incident, will Borat be the fifth, sixth or seventh most important
> > person in Kazakhstan? This will keep me awake tonight - please help me
> > to understand.

>
> What colour jersey does the most important Kazakh wear? And are other
> the other 5th, 6th, or 7th doping and potentially going to be
> increased/decreased in standings as well?
>
> What would Vino look like in a mankini when he has to change careers?
>
> --
> TimC
> Your fault (core dumped)


Will he now need to travel on top of the bus, with the women?
 
And if rumours and strange circumstances about one's whereabouts prove true - he could win the tour.

Scotty

Shane Stanley said:
In article <[email protected]>,
cfsmtb <[email protected]> wrote:

> Utterly crapola news, if it wasn't for Catherine Devenys' Opinion piece
> in The Age, this day would be completely shithouse.


Look on the bright side: Cadel could be a stage winner...

--
Shane Stanley
 
In article <[email protected]>,
scotty72 <[email protected]> wrote:

> And if rumours and strange circumstances about one's whereabouts prove
> true - he could win the tour.
>
> Scotty
>
> Shane Stanley Wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > cfsmtb <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Utterly crapola news, if it wasn't for Catherine Devenys' Opinion

> > piece
> > > in The Age, this day would be completely shithouse.

> >
> > Look on the bright side: Cadel could be a stage winner...
> >
> > --
> > Shane Stanley


Sounds like he'll be a winner in at least some eyes regardless, if what
cyclingnews is reporting is true:

"Speaking to Cyclingnews' Brecht Decaluwé this morning, Belgian Tom
Boonen heralded Cadel Evans as 'the first clean rider.' He was
expressing his doubts over Rasmussen and, it would seem, Contador also."

--
Shane Stanley
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Shane Stanley <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sounds like he'll be a winner in at least some eyes regardless, if what
> cyclingnews is reporting is true:


Which it may not be. The relevant sentence now reads:

"Speaking to Cyclingnews' Brecht Decaluwé this morning, Belgian Tom
Boonen heralded Cadel Evans as a clean rider. He was expressing his
doubts about Rasmussen."

--
Shane Stanley
 
On Jul 25, 7:18 pm, TimC <[email protected]
astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:

> What colour jersey does the most important Kazakh wear? And are other
> the other 5th, 6th, or 7th doping and potentially going to be
> increased/decreased in standings as well?
>
> What would Vino look like in a mankini when he has to change careers?
>

It's good to see Vino's homeland has things in perspective: from
CyclingNews:
"Alexander Vinokourov's image untainted in Kazakhstan"
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jul07/jul31news3

It looks like Borat might have slipped to Seventh Most Popular.

Donga
 
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:52:14 -0700, Donga wrote:

> It's good to see Vino's homeland has things in perspective: from
> CyclingNews:
> "Alexander Vinokourov's image untainted in Kazakhstan"


First the Borat movie, now this! They might as well surrender to Russia and
rejoin the Soviet Union.
 
On Aug 1, 7:52 am, Donga <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's good to see Vino's homeland has things in perspective: from
> CyclingNews:
> "Alexander Vinokourov's image untainted in Kazakhstan"http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jul07/jul31news3
>
> It looks like Borat might have slipped to Seventh Most Popular.
>
> Donga


Did you guys catch this little gem from before the tour?

http://sport.independent.co.uk/general/article2745107.ece

"In a way he is the Alexander the Great of the 21st century," the
ambassador said of Vinokourov, who holds the rank of colonel in the
Kazakh army.

"Everything from Kazakhstan has a big high-quality market and since
Alexandre is a Kazakh, therefore he is excellent in whatever he does.
He is also an ambassador for goodwill and friendship," Idrissov
insisted with a steamroller-like logic highly reminiscent of former
Soviet Union propaganda.

Travis
 
On Aug 1, 4:30 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 7:52 am, Donga <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It's good to see Vino's homeland has things in perspective: from
> > CyclingNews:
> > "Alexander Vinokourov's image untainted in Kazakhstan"http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jul07/jul31news3

>
> > It looks like Borat might have slipped to Seventh Most Popular.

>
> > Donga

>
> Did you guys catch this little gem from before the tour?
>
> http://sport.independent.co.uk/general/article2745107.ece
>
> "In a way he is the Alexander the Great of the 21st century," the
> ambassador said of Vinokourov, who holds the rank of colonel in the
> Kazakh army.
>
> "Everything from Kazakhstan has a big high-quality market and since
> Alexandre is a Kazakh, therefore he is excellent in whatever he does.
> He is also an ambassador for goodwill and friendship," Idrissov
> insisted with a steamroller-like logic highly reminiscent of former
> Soviet Union propaganda.
>
> Travis


LOL! I love the way he "concentrated on staying out of trouble in the
early stages". Quite good really, he lasted until nearly the end!
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Michael Warner <[email protected]> wrote:

> First the Borat movie, now this! They might as well surrender to Russia and
> rejoin the Soviet Union.


Well, even Russia has moved on...

Been following this guy's Beijing-Paris cycle touring blog and based on
his words, Kazakhstan still has a way to go.
--
 
"Travis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Aug 1, 7:52 am, Donga <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> "In a way he is the Alexander the Great of the 21st century," the
> ambassador said of Vinokourov, who holds the rank of colonel in the
> Kazakh army.
>
> "Everything from Kazakhstan has a big high-quality market and since
> Alexandre is a Kazakh, therefore he is excellent in whatever he does.
> He is also an ambassador for goodwill and friendship," Idrissov
> insisted with a steamroller-like logic highly reminiscent of former
> Soviet Union propaganda.
>
> Travis
>


In Communist Kazakhstan drugs take you!!!!!