Tut, Tut

The other view point said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/weeklynews/news/tm_headline=gran-8217-s-off-the-beaten-track%26method=full%26objectid=19475578%26siteid=50142-name_page.html

Not a nice incident, and the cyclist should not have done this.

But if you are so all-fired-up about "The Other Viewpoint" please post
to this list a news item every road collision which results in a death.
You'll soon get tired.

In fact, you won't be able to find most of them - deaths caused by cars
are so unremarkable they are not reported.
But someone gets hit on the arm by a bicycle - they are "mown down"

Around 3500 people die on the roads in the UK every year.

I'm waiting for your ten posts per day.

John Hearns said:

The other view point said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/weeklynews/news/tm_headline=gran-...

Not a nice incident, and the cyclist should not have done this.

But if you are so all-fired-up about "The Other Viewpoint" please post
to this list a news item every road collision which results in a death.
You'll soon get tired.

In fact, you won't be able to find most of them - deaths caused by cars
are so unremarkable they are not reported.
But someone gets hit on the arm by a bicycle - they are "mown down"

is this a cycling group or a car group?

The other view point said:

is this a cycling group or a car group?

A cycling group.
And as someone who has had a dear, dear friend killed on the roads, and
has seen the aftermath of a death on the road, I have every right to
a) post here about cars
b) tell you to get lost till you spend a month finding local news
articles about EVERY death on the roads before coming here and whining
about oen badly-behaved cyclist.

John Hearns said:

The other view point said:

is this a cycling group or a car group?

A cycling group.
And as someone who has had a dear, dear friend killed on the roads, and
has seen the aftermath of a death on the road, I have every right to
a) post here about cars
b) tell you to get lost till you spend a month finding local news
articles about EVERY death on the roads before coming here and whining
about oen badly-behaved cyclist.

Woman who may have been on a cycle lane has bruised arm.

Meanwhile:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6905018.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/6903112.stm

Cyclist knocked off bike by car
A car driver is being sought by police after a man was knocked off his
bike in Cheltenham on Sunday afternoon.
The victim, a man from Brockworth, suffered a broken arm and was taken
to hospital for treatment.

The car, a three door silver Vauxhall Astra with blacked-out rear
windows, failed to stop at the scene, a Gloucestershire police
spokesman said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/6901586.stm

Murder inquiry after cyclist dies
A murder inquiry has begun after a 21-year-old man who was attacked on
his bike died from his injuries.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6295164.stm
Tributes to Lakes death cyclist

Mr Stacey worked at George Fisher outdoor wear shop
Tributes have been paid to a cyclist who was killed when he was hit by
a car near Keswick in the Lake District.
Joel Stacey, 23, from Low Bridge End Farm at St John's in the Vale,
died at the scene of the crash at Manor Brown

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/6288670.stm

spindrift said:

Woman who may have been on a cycle lane has bruised arm.

No, she was "mown down"

My friend was left dead in the Cromwell Road by a Range Rover driver,
who sped off. Never brought to justice.
I'll take my chances with some twit of a cyclist anyday.

The other view point said:

John Hearns said:

The other view point said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/weeklynews/news/tm_headline=gran-...

Not a nice incident, and the cyclist should not have done this.

But if you are so all-fired-up about "The Other Viewpoint" please post
to this list a news item every road collision which results in a death.
You'll soon get tired.

In fact, you won't be able to find most of them - deaths caused by cars
are so unremarkable they are not reported.
But someone gets hit on the arm by a bicycle - they are "mown down"

is this a cycling group or a car group?

Ok then, post them to uk.transport, I'm sure they'll be warmly welcomed 😉

John Hearns said:

spindrift said:

Woman who may have been on a cycle lane has bruised arm.

No, she was "mown down"

My friend was left dead in the Cromwell Road by a Range Rover driver,
who sped off. Never brought to justice.
I'll take my chances with some twit of a cyclist anyday.

My friend was left dead in the Cromwell Road by a Range Rover driver,

Errr, not the asian Imperial lab technician? I understood they traced
the woman driver who had been drinking that day>

spindrift said:

My friend was left dead in the Cromwell Road by a Range Rover driver,

Errr, not the asian Imperial lab technician? I understood they traced
the woman driver who had been drinking that day>

My friend did work at Imperial, but he was German and worked in the ICT
department. I also have fond memories of meeting with him at Linux LUG
meetings and conferences. Thomas Sippel-Dau - only saying this as it is
well worth keeping people's memories alive when we can.
He was a lovely, gentle man who had a fund of knowledge, always ready to
help people. He rode a Farrhad Manufaktur bike, which he was very proud of.

John Hearns said the following on 20/07/2007 12:16:

Quoted message said:

Around 3500 people die on the roads in the UK every year.

I'm waiting for your ten posts per day.

Ah, but this wasn't a death, so to be strictly correct Dewi would need
to post every injury caused by a motor vehicle as well. He might need
to start a new newsgroup.

However, in this instance the cyclist's behaviour was disgusting if you
take the report at face value.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

John Hearns said:

spindrift said:

My friend was left dead in the Cromwell Road by a Range Rover driver,

Quoted message said:

Errr, not the asian Imperial lab technician? I understood they traced
the woman driver who had been drinking that day>

My friend did work at Imperial, but he was German and worked in the ICT
department. I also have fond memories of meeting with him at Linux LUG
meetings and conferences. Thomas Sippel-Dau - only saying this as it is
well worth keeping people's memories alive when we can.
He was a lovely, gentle man who had a fund of knowledge, always ready to
help people. He rode a Farrhad Manufaktur bike, which he was very proud of.

I beg your pardon, that's who I meant.

I heard a woman had been traced. She had attended a drinks party at
Parliament that day and had previous drink-driving convictions.

http://www.felixonline.co.uk/articles/2413/Imperial_staff_member_killed_in_hitandrun

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Quoted message said:

John Hearns said:

The other view point said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/weeklynews/news/tm_headline=gran-...

Not a nice incident, and the cyclist should not have done this.

But if you are so all-fired-up about "The Other Viewpoint" please post
to this list a news item every road collision which results in a death.
You'll soon get tired.

In fact, you won't be able to find most of them - deaths caused by cars
are so unremarkable they are not reported.
But someone gets hit on the arm by a bicycle - they are "mown down"

is this a cycling group or a car group?

OK, for balance report every death caused by a car on a motoring group and
see how you get on. And while you're at it every dog bite on a dogs group.
Etc.etc. In fact, post your trolls anywhere but here.

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Quoted message said:

John Hearns said the following on 20/07/2007 12:16:

Quoted message said:

Around 3500 people die on the roads in the UK every year.

I'm waiting for your ten posts per day.

Ah, but this wasn't a death, so to be strictly correct Dewi would need to
post every injury caused by a motor vehicle as well. He might need to
start a new newsgroup.

However, in this instance the cyclist's behaviour was disgusting if you
take the report at face value.

But should we be unduly bothered by an isolated incident of disgusting
behaviour by someone on a bike? Because if the benchmark for incident
reporting on car drivers' behaviour was neither death nor injury but simply
'disgusting behaviour', then we'd certainly need a new usenet! ;-)

On 20 Jul, 14:36, "Budstaff" <budstaffdotusegroupatbtinternetdotcom>

Quoted message said:

"Paul Boyd" <usenet.dont.work@plusnet> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...> John Hearns said the following on 20/07/2007 12:16:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Around 3500 people die on the roads in the UK every year.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm waiting for your ten posts per day.

Quoted message said:

Ah, but this wasn't a death, so to be strictly correct Dewi would need to
post every injury caused by a motor vehicle as well. He might need to
start a new newsgroup.

Quoted message said:

However, in this instance the cyclist's behaviour was disgusting if you
take the report at face value.

But should we be unduly bothered by an isolated incident of disgusting
behaviour by someone on a bike? Because if the benchmark for incident
reporting on car drivers' behaviour was neither death nor injury but simply
'disgusting behaviour', then we'd certainly need a new usenet! ;-)

That's the point, it not isolated...

Not reported so not recorded as a statistic
Even if reported it still not recorded as such and again not a stat.

Best place to get truthful stats is via the A&E departments.

On 20 Jul, 14:31, "Budstaff" <budstaffdotusegroupatbtinternetdotcom>

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Quoted message said:

John Hearns said:

The other view point, there is one you know... wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/weeklynews/news/tm_headline=gran-...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not a nice incident, and the cyclist should not have done this.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But if you are so all-fired-up about "The Other Viewpoint" please post
to this list a news item every road collision which results in a death.
You'll soon get tired.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In fact, you won't be able to find most of them - deaths caused by cars
are so unremarkable they are not reported.
But someone gets hit on the arm by a bicycle - they are "mown down"

Quoted message said:

is this a cycling group or a car group?

OK, for balance report every death caused by a car on a motoring group and
see how you get on. And while you're at it every dog bite on a dogs group.
Etc.etc. In fact, post your trolls anywhere but here.- Hide quoted text -

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I would if those groups were of relevance to me ;-)

John Hearns said:

The other view point said:

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/weeklynews/news/tm_headline=gran-8217-s-off-the-beaten-track%26method=full%26objectid=19475578%26siteid=50142-name_page.html

Not a nice incident, and the cyclist should not have done this.

Please don't feed the troll. Since its local to Dewi I wouldn't even
put it beyond him being the mystery cyclist so he could come back here
and troll.

Tony

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('usenet.dont.work@plusnet') said:

John Hearns said the following on 20/07/2007 12:16:

Quoted message said:

Around 3500 people die on the roads in the UK every year.

I'm waiting for your ten posts per day.

Ah, but this wasn't a death, so to be strictly correct Dewi would need
to post every injury caused by a motor vehicle as well. He might need
to start a new newsgroup.

However, in this instance the cyclist's behaviour was disgusting if you
take the report at face value.

Yes, but I doubt the report can be taken at face value. It's a one sided
report by a clearly incensed witness, with no corroboration, and has
clearly been exaggerated to fill column inches on a slow news day.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Age equals angst multiplied by the speed of fright squared.
;; the Worlock

The other view point said:

Not reported so not recorded as a statistic

"North Wales Police said they were aware of the incident and are investigating"

Simon Brooke said:

Yes, but I doubt the report can be taken at face value. It's a one sided
report by a clearly incensed witness, with no corroboration, and has
clearly been exaggerated to fill column inches on a slow news day.

Indeed from the comments about her not being sure whether she was on the
cycle path, its likely she knows she was and it could well be she
stepped in front of the cyclist, not that that is an excuse for a
cyclist hitting her unless it was unavoidable.

Tony