Tsunami devistation

J G said:

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It's typical for us to think that money can show other nations that
we truly care. This is exactly the capitalist mindset. If money is
the most important thing, then surely giving it away will gain us
resounding support in the remainder of the world. Um .... wrong
answer.

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I hope that doesn't explain the 35 million dollar initial response
from Bush.

Several ships were already in-route to the area to render aid long
before GWB stood up to pledge our monitary support in front of the
news cameras. Nobody ever considered that.. Nor how much that is
costing us in fuel, food and salaries for that aid to get there and be
given. Just look at the USNS Mercy, ( http://www.mercy.navy.mil/ )12
state of the art operatingrooms, a 1,000 bed hospital facility, et....
Can you even begin to guess at what it takes to operate a ship of that
size???? a 1000 bed floating hospital, and the complete staff to run
it.

Right. And as I said in another post, the 35 mil was obviously just an
inital assessment outlay, just as the 350 mil is sure to grow (and doesn't
even include a lot of the expense plus all the private and corporate $).

If Bush had rushed before the cameras and made a speech, the very same
people who criticize him for "doing nothing" for 2-3 days would say he was
grand-standing for political gain. (It's OBVIOUS! DUH!)

Jonesing for a bike ride, Bill

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Compassion so they can get on their feet and say death
to imperial America. Who came running in 2001 on Manhatan Island they
were all Amerians no out side help. The out siders were laughing so hard
they couldn't move.

You're pretty closed minded. I doubt the hotel workers in Thailand and
Indonesia who rely on western money to earn a living really had anything to
do with 9-11

"Chris Phillipo" wrote

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Were those ships sitting vacant in a ship yard before
this happened or were they operating on Jesus dollars?

Some were berthed with minimal crews to maintain readiness. Full crews
can be mustered and be ready to sail in 6 to 24 hours.......

J G said:

"Chris Phillipo" wrote

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Were those ships sitting vacant in a ship yard before
this happened or were they operating on Jesus dollars?

Some were berthed with minimal crews to maintain readiness. Full crews
can be mustered and be ready to sail in 6 to 24 hours.......

Let's not forget an aircraft carrier group that has been working the
area relentlessly either - logging LOTS of helicopter hours. There
are 6,000 sailors on the carrier alone.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark Hickey said:

You might want to check with the Taliban to see if he did anything
besides play golf though - I think they'd disagree with you.

As governor, Bush hosted a Taliban delegation to work out a deal for
that oil pipeline. As president, he did diddly-squat about terrorism
until September 2001. So says everyone involved.

And Osama's bin Forgotten. (But that won't stop Shrub from crowing about
finally running the creature to ground when/if it ever happens.)

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"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

James Calivar said:

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Try 8 months and change. I know it's easy to forget bush was president
in that time since he didn't do a god damn thing besides play golf and
let the economy slide for everyone but his Enron buddies.

Spoken like the true Michael Moore fanatics you are.

Care to cite ANYONE claiming that Shrub was working terrorism before
9/11? No one not currently in the administration says he did, and even
those currently hanging on can't show anything.

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Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

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Compassion so they can get on their feet and say death
to imperial America. Who came running in 2001 on Manhatan Island they
were all Amerians no out side help. The out siders were laughing so hard
they couldn't move.

You are such a dumbass. A terrorist attack in which a net 3,000 deaths
occured - how is that even remotely similar to an act of God in which 50
times that amount died?? I'm not marginalizing 9/11, but this is a
completely different situation.

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James Calivar said:

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Try 8 months and change. I know it's easy to forget bush was president
in that time since he didn't do a god damn thing besides play golf and
let the economy slide for everyone but his Enron buddies.

Spoken like the true Michael Moore fanatics you are.

Care to cite ANYONE claiming that Shrub was working terrorism before 9/11?
No one not currently in the administration says he did, and even those
currently hanging on can't show anything.

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I'd like to pose the same question re: the Democratic incumbant who held
office the 8 years prior.

Face it. Clinton stank. Bush stinks (but not as badly).

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James Calivar said:

"Chris Phillipo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>Try 8 months and change. I know it's easy to forget bush was president
>in that time since he didn't do a god damn thing besides play golf and
>let the economy slide for everyone but his Enron buddies.
>
Spoken like the true Michael Moore fanatics you are.

Care to cite ANYONE claiming that Shrub was working terrorism before

9/11?

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No one not currently in the administration says he did, and even those
currently hanging on can't show anything.

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I'd like to pose the same question re: the Democratic incumbant who held
office the 8 years prior.

Face it. Clinton stank. Bush stinks (but not as badly).

If Bush would articulate his initiatives with more clarity (practice!)...If
he would (could) deliver his message in a way that inspired people, like
Clinton, he'd show better in public viewpoint.

Goodoz

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Care to cite ANYONE claiming that Shrub was working terrorism before
9/11? No one not currently in the administration says he did, and even
those currently hanging on can't show anything.

How 'bout Richard Clarke?

"...the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no
plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to
the Bush administration."

"the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively
dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table
since 1998. And they remained on the table when that
administration went out of office."

"the Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January,
to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy,
including all of the lethal covert action findings, which we've
now made public to some extent....The second thing the
administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at
those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and
get them decided." - Richard Clarke

Just in case you were really interested... he brought up other points
like Bush increasing the budget to get Al Qaeda by five times (IIRC),
and about changing the policy from reacting to Al Qaeda to one of
eliminating Al Qaeda.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

James Calivar said:

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Care to cite ANYONE claiming that Shrub was working terrorism before 9/11?
No one not currently in the administration says he did, and even those
currently hanging on can't show anything.

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I'd like to pose the same question re: the Democratic incumbant who held
office the 8 years prior.

Face it. Clinton stank. Bush stinks (but not as badly).

Not so. Clinton actually tried to hunt Osama down, but the political
climate called for playing sort-of nice. 9/11 did change that.

And of course there's the millenium celebration attack that didn't
happen. The 9/11 commission will tell you about that, and what credit
Clinton was due.

Shrub is a right winger. That's bad, but what's worse is he's an
incompetent right winger.

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Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Mark Hickey said:

Raptor said:

Care to cite ANYONE claiming that Shrub was working terrorism before
9/11? No one not currently in the administration says he did, and even
those currently hanging on can't show anything.

How 'bout Richard Clarke?

"...the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no
plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to
the Bush administration."

Says there was no plan *passed.*

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"the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively
dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table
since 1998. And they remained on the table when that
administration went out of office."

Clinton had a strategy.

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"the Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January,
to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy,
including all of the lethal covert action findings, which we've
now made public to some extent....The second thing the
administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at
those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and
get them decided." - Richard Clarke

Just in case you were really interested... he brought up other points
like Bush increasing the budget to get Al Qaeda by five times (IIRC),
and about changing the policy from reacting to Al Qaeda to one of
eliminating Al Qaeda.

Bush tossed out the Clinton strategy and let 8 months elapse while a new
strategy was being hashed out. Too bad Osama's plans were on a faster track.

Clarke made a point out of how Clinton "shook the trees" prior to the
millenium celebration, and how that probably contributed to an attack
being thwarted. What if Shrub had kept those trees shaking?

But, you're good. You've got your facts straight. I knew that might
happen if I made a global hand-waving statement like I did. So, good job. 🙂

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Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Mark Hickey said:

Raptor said:

Care to cite ANYONE claiming that Shrub was working terrorism before
9/11? No one not currently in the administration says he did, and
even those currently hanging on can't show anything.

How 'bout Richard Clarke?

"...the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no
plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to
the Bush administration."

"the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively
dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table
since 1998. And they remained on the table when that
administration went out of office."

"the Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January,
to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy,
including all of the lethal covert action findings, which we've
now made public to some extent....The second thing the
administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at
those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and
get them decided." - Richard Clarke

Just in case you were really interested... he brought up other points
like Bush increasing the budget to get Al Qaeda by five times (IIRC),
and about changing the policy from reacting to Al Qaeda to one of
eliminating Al Qaeda.

But Mark, everyone knows that Clarke was just a lying stooge back then,
before /completely changing his spots/ once he left the administration. (Of
course, writing and selling a BOOK had nothing to do with it, either.)

Bill "cams de sar" S.

Chris Phillipo said:

Nobody had even heard of Michael Moore when Geedub was sitting on his
ass doing nothing but hone his deny, deny, deny press skills.

[censored], for a minute I thought I had some how gotten involved in this waste of
time conversation.

Gary (the real GeeDubb)

Up date Indonesia wants America out . I knew where
this whole thing would lead.

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Up date Indonesia wants America out . I knew where
this whole thing would lead.

They've ordered ALL aid workers out, you goof.

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To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

Chris Phillipo said:

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If it helps, it's being reported that the tsunami was all the US'
fault. Either we were doing underwater nuclear testing in the area,
or Allah decided to punish us for our evil deeds (though how he
figured that wiping out Indonesia - a heavily Muslim country - to do
that is beyond me).

I have to admit that Egyptian news paper story was pretty funny. And
since there actually was an Egyptian in on the 9/11 attack, maybe it's
time to go invade them.

Cool - Imagine a Starbucks right at the base of the pyramids! ;-)

Then again, that's probably no stranger than the KFC (Kentucky Fried
Chicken) at the base of the Great Wall north of Beijing in the early
90's.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Chris Phillipo said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

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Just in case you were really interested... he brought up other points
like Bush increasing the budget to get Al Qaeda by five times (IIRC),
and about changing the policy from reacting to Al Qaeda to one of
eliminating Al Qaeda.

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Yes I am very impressed with Bush's change from doing business with the
Taliban to destroying them in a matter of a few weeks.

It might come as a shock to those who got that impression (about Bush
inviting the Taliban to Texas) from watching Michael Moore's
"documentary" that the trip was actually arranged by the Clinton
administration - a "detail" that got left out of the "documentary".
Funny how almost everyone who saw the "documentary" got the wrong
impression, huh?

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I am equally
impressed with the speed and ease he was able to undo 4 years of
negotiations with a country that actually DOES have WMDs pointed at US
citizens and it's allies and has made threats of using them to go after
one that doesn't and just "stay the course" in the hopes that the mad
man in north Korea he slapped in the face isn't as mad as the one in the
USA.

If you consider the Clinton "negotiations" (dang I'm using a lot of
quotation marks) a success then there's no discussing the issue. The
only success involved was the amount of fuel oil and money Kim Jong Il
successfully got out of us.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

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James Calivar said:

"Chris Phillipo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>Try 8 months and change. I know it's easy to forget bush was president
>in that time since he didn't do a god damn thing besides play golf and
>let the economy slide for everyone but his Enron buddies.
>
Spoken like the true Michael Moore fanatics you are.

Care to cite ANYONE claiming that Shrub was working terrorism before
9/11? No one not currently in the administration says he did, and even
those currently hanging on can't show anything.

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I'd like to pose the same question re: the Democratic incumbant who held
office the 8 years prior.

Face it. Clinton stank. Bush stinks (but not as badly).

you smoke crack. get help.

Chris Phillipo said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

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If you consider the Clinton "negotiations" (dang I'm using a lot of
quotation marks) a success then there's no discussing the issue. The
only success involved was the amount of fuel oil and money Kim Jong Il
successfully got out of us.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Now that the north korean people are back to staving to death, all is
right with the world.

1,000,000 strong army with guns. If they were so unhappy they'd
assasinate their fat little midget of a president.

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