Tsunami devistation

What does over 200,000 dead and more to come have to do
with riding my bike. MTB 05

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thing, then surely giving it away will gain us resounding support in the
remainder of the world. Um .... wrong answer.

That's a bunch of hoo-haaaaaa!!!!

Only hours into that situation, "the world community" was crying out for US
money (and, it was/is needed and appropriate). Claims were even made that
we were slow to act and didn't pledge enough support. Despite our (once
again) enormous contributions, make no mistake in understanding that ANY
action taken ANY time by America IS money -- be it cash, supplies, manpower,
support etc. So, I guess you're stuck there -- unless you're talking about
acclimation for Americans toward the ways of the rest of the world (where
else is a better place to live? Go there, be well and be happy!)

Also, humanitarian aid and capitalism don't correlate (they are two
completely different things). Considering the large tsunami dollars pledged
by America, don't lose sight of the fact that our American government is
not a capitalist entity. The government "generates" nothing...it simply
"collects" dollars, in the form of taxes (which is not capitalism). All
pledges here were made by our democraticly elected officials, on behalf of
the American people (and, most of them ARE capitalists).

"Reputation" in the eyes of the world is a heavy factor for America. It is
not, however, something that weighs heavier than our way of living and
governing ourselves. If it were, why then do so many others from around the
world leave their home nations and come to live here.

If you're feeling poorly about your reputation in the rest of the world's
view, you're free to leave (unfortunately, if you live in another country,
you may not be so free to come back!!)

Goodoz

Wow! Want to run for office? I'll vote for you.

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J G wrote:

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It's very sad, but I think this is a great opportunity for the USA and
especially the citizens of this country to show how compasionate we can
be. Many of the countries that were hit are Muslim countries. A show

of

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support from the US will surely go a long way to showing them that we

are

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not against them as the terrorists would have them think.

It's typical for us to think that money can show other nations that we

truly

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care. This is exactly the capitalist mindset. If money is the most

important

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thing, then surely giving it away will gain us resounding support in the
remainder of the world. Um .... wrong answer.

That's a bunch of hoo-haaaaaa!!!!

Only hours into that situation, "the world community" was crying out for US
money (and, it was/is needed and appropriate). Claims were even made that
we were slow to act and didn't pledge enough support. Despite our (once
again) enormous contributions, make no mistake in understanding that ANY
action taken ANY time by America IS money -- be it cash, supplies, manpower,
support etc. So, I guess you're stuck there -- unless you're talking about
acclimation for Americans toward the ways of the rest of the world (where
else is a better place to live? Go there, be well and be happy!)

Also, humanitarian aid and capitalism don't correlate (they are two
completely different things). Considering the large tsunami dollars pledged
by America, don't lose sight of the fact that our American government is
not a capitalist entity. The government "generates" nothing...it simply
"collects" dollars, in the form of taxes (which is not capitalism). All
pledges here were made by our democraticly elected officials, on behalf of
the American people (and, most of them ARE capitalists).

"Reputation" in the eyes of the world is a heavy factor for America. It is
not, however, something that weighs heavier than our way of living and
governing ourselves. If it were, why then do so many others from around the
world leave their home nations and come to live here.

If you're feeling poorly about your reputation in the rest of the world's
view, you're free to leave (unfortunately, if you live in another country,
you may not be so free to come back!!)

Goodoz

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What does over 200,000 dead and more to come have to do
with riding my bike. MTB 05

For starter, they probably MADE your bike, you [censored].

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Wow! Want to run for office? I'll vote for you.

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Nope! I just want to live, care for, and enjoy, my family and laugh a
lot....until it's time to move on...

Goodoz ;-)

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So saving their lives and donating the materials to rebuild is
"deciding what's right for them"?

This thread is about tsunami aid. Your attitude is much larger in
scope. I was responding to the latter.

People can re-read the thread to see whose "attitude" a) came first; b) was
"black & white" (your term), and c) is flat-out wrong-minded (using any
excuse to blame "capitalism" when the thread WAS about providing
humanitarian aid...period).

Go ahead and get in your precious last word; I'm done.

Excellent Bill, simply excellent!

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No one remembers the earthquake in LA around 84 or 85.
I was asleep 160 miles to the north and it got me out of bed. I didn't
wine like a baby. [censored] happens you got to take like a man.

I don't recall a couple hundred thousand people dying in that earthquake. I
certainly remember the earthquake. How manly of you not to wine when your
precious sleep is disturbed. Lets see what you do when your entire family
is wiped out. I think you might just wine a little bit.

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No one remembers the earthquake in LA around 84 or 85.
I was asleep 160 miles to the north and it got me out of bed. I didn't
wine like a baby. [censored] happens you got to take like a man.

I don't recall a couple hundred thousand people dying in that earthquake. I
certainly remember the earthquake. How manly of you not to wine when your
precious sleep is disturbed. Lets see what you do when your entire family
is wiped out. I think you might just wine a little bit.

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All pledges here were made by our democraticly elected officials, on
behalf of the American people (and, most of them ARE capitalists).

Not necessarily. The company I work for just announced that so far it has
donated $1.4 million, between employee donations, gift matching, and
corporate donations.

We're one of those "evil" corporations that cc is going on about.

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BB said:

Goodoz said:

All pledges here were made by our democraticly elected officials, on
behalf of the American people (and, most of them ARE capitalists).

Not necessarily. The company I work for just announced that so far it
has donated $1.4 million, between employee donations, gift matching,
and corporate donations.

Right. The $350 million (sure to go up) is from the federal government;
private and corporate donations will probably far surpass that.

But let's bash America anyway.

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We're one of those "evil" corporations that cc is going on about.

Pigs.
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BB said:

Goodoz said:

All pledges here were made by our democraticly elected officials, on
behalf of the American people (and, most of them ARE capitalists).

Not necessarily. The company I work for just announced that so far it
has donated $1.4 million, between employee donations, gift matching,
and corporate donations.

Right. The $350 million (sure to go up) is from the federal government;
private and corporate donations will probably far surpass that.

I'm not saying all corporations are evil, but even you can't deny that they
have done great harm, even in the past decade . . and that's only what gets
spoonfed to us through their media outlets.

You can't have a progressive environment without dissent. If everyone
agreed, then you would have mindless complacence and issues wouldn't be
openly discussed. Political discussion (including disagreements) is GOOD.

Just because America has lot going for it doesn't mean it doesn't have
(major) problems. Things aren't just "good" or "bad."

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No one remembers the earthquake in LA around 84 or 85.
I was asleep 160 miles to the north and it got me out of bed. I didn't
wine like a baby. [censored] happens you got to take like a man.

I don't recall a couple hundred thousand people dying in that earthquake.
I certainly remember the earthquake. How manly of you not to wine when
your precious sleep is disturbed. Lets see what you do when your entire
family is wiped out. I think you might just wine a little bit.

Thank you. Here is a perfect example of the loss of perspective I was
speaking about. Instead of your life beign threatened, it is a whole night's
sleep without being disturbed.

I really hope you're trolling, crazy. Your attitude is simply disgusting.

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No one remembers the earthquake in LA around 84 or 85.
I was asleep 160 miles to the north and it got me out of bed. I didn't
wine like a baby. [censored] happens you got to take like a man.

I don't recall a couple hundred thousand people dying in that earthquake.
I certainly remember the earthquake. How manly of you not to wine when
your precious sleep is disturbed. Lets see what you do when your entire
family is wiped out. I think you might just wine a little bit.

Thank you. Here is a perfect example of the loss of perspective I was
speaking about. Instead of your life beign threatened, it is a whole
night's sleep without being disturbed.

I really hope you're trolling, crazy. Your attitude is simply disgusting.

No kidding, very sad if it's not a troll.

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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:47:07 -0800, Goodoz wrote:

> All pledges here were made by our democraticly elected officials,
> on behalf of the American people (and, most of them ARE
> capitalists).

Not necessarily. The company I work for just announced that so far
it has donated $1.4 million, between employee donations, gift
matching, and corporate donations.

Right. The $350 million (sure to go up) is from the federal
government; private and corporate donations will probably far
surpass that.

I'm not saying all corporations are evil, but even you can't deny
that they have done great harm, even in the past decade . . and
that's only what gets spoonfed to us through their media outlets.

You can't have a progressive environment without dissent. If everyone
agreed, then you would have mindless complacence and issues wouldn't
be openly discussed. Political discussion (including disagreements)
is GOOD.

Just because America has lot going for it doesn't mean it doesn't have
(major) problems. Things aren't just "good" or "bad."

No argument -- but you chose an inappropriate thread/subject/topic to insert
your anti-capitalist views, IMO. (Granted, I think Ride-a-lot was misguided
in stating that our giving aid would increase our standing in the Arab
world. That's why I said we do it with zero expectations of any
appreciation from those who hate us.)

/Sometimes/ America does the right thing and really is generous; hope you
can see beyond its faults and recognize that.

Good night now.

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Just because America has lot going for it doesn't mean it doesn't have
(major) problems. Things aren't just "good" or "bad."

Nope. Just right.

And I don't mean that in a political way.

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Which one they say USA or Taiwan and thats all 8.

You want to carry on with this bleeding heart [censored]
go to church. Your have to join the rest of the god followers what ever
name he goes by this week. I got off my bike at 2pm. And I'll be riding
one of them the day after and so on.

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You want to carry on with this bleeding heart [censored]
go to church. Your have to join the rest of the god followers what ever
name he goes by this week. I got off my bike at 2pm. And I'll be riding
one of them the day after and so on.

Dude??? What does any of this have to do with "bleeding heart [censored]" or
"god followers"??? It's all about feeling a little compassion for people
whos lives have been utterly devastated. It appears as though compassion is
way above you though.

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What does over 200,000 dead and more to come have to do
with riding my bike. MTB 05

For starter, they probably MADE your bike, you [censored].

Guess I'm glad I got it before they died then huh?

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You want to carry on with this bleeding heart [censored]
go to church. Your have to join the rest of the god followers what ever
name he goes by this week. I got off my bike at 2pm. And I'll be riding
one of them the day after and so on.

Somehow I doubt it. I bet you aren't even off of training wheels yet.
How's that sidewalk taste??