Trolls and arguments

Their actions here prove their dishonesty and deceit. This is a prime example of modern medicine on
the loose behind a computer anonymously.

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Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments From: Orac [email hidden] Date: 3/3/04 8:24 PM Eastern
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If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that

there

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is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the effectiveness of
alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I

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TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I was expecting when I discovered this
newsgroup. I had expected an environment where everyone reinforces my altie beliefs, without any
scientists or skeptics around to question them.

Explanation: The so called scientists or skeptics that abound here do not question in fairness.
Their goal is to insult, demean, degrade, and

otherwise

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cause mayhem such that the medical monopoly continues unabated with its

goals

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of extracting as much money and power as it can from the supplicants

called

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patients.

I am a scientist.

I am not a member of the church of modern medicine.

I will not encourage you to try and cut-burn-poison yourself into health.

Those that encourage you to do so by discouraging any rational discussion

of

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alternative procedures need to be scourged and crucified as in the

Passion.

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DrC PhD

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I am a scientist.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Sorry, but that was so funny that I couldn't take any of the rest of what you said in the least bit
seriously.

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Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments From: Orac [email hidden] Date: 3/3/04 8:24 PM Eastern
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In article said:

If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that there is a very
concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the effectiveness of alternative cures
or approaches to medical problems.

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I

Quoted message said:

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I was expecting when I discovered this
newsgroup. I had expected an environment where everyone reinforces my altie beliefs, without any
scientists or skeptics around to question them.

Explanation: The so called scientists or skeptics that abound here do not question in fairness.
Their goal is to insult, demean, degrade, and otherwise cause mayhem such that the medical monopoly
continues unabated with its goals of extracting as much money and power as it can from the
supplicants called patients.

Actual explanation: Chuck is some chalupa-snorting bookstore employee who tries to convince us he's
something more.

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I am a scientist.

Ho ho ho.

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I am not a member of the church of modern medicine.

I will not encourage you to try and cut-burn-poison yourself into health.

Those that encourage you to do so by discouraging any rational discussion of alternative procedures
need to be scourged and crucified as in the Passion.

That's what I like about Chuck -- his forgiving, Christian nature.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Gymmy Bob said:

Nicely Said Bew!

Notice the pattern of one of the chief trolls here? Question each and every statement no matter
how many times it has been proven

Of course, "Gymmy Bob's" definition of it's having "been proven" means that some altie website
claimed it was so, which to him means it must actually be so.

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or how much common sense their is to it.

"Common sense" meaning that it makes sense to alties. Whether it makes sense when weighted against
what is presently known scientifically, Gymmy cares not one whit about.

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These people thrive on just questioning physics and sooner or later somebody cannot prove the laws
of nature.

Some alties thrive on ignoring the laws of nature and physics if it helps them come up with an
explanation that "makes sense" (to them only, of course) for their favorite "cure."

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Prove 2 + 2 = 4

Nobody can. It is based on our set out mathematical laws and other than that has no meaning.

Funny, but mathematicians would beg to differ with you on this one.

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(David Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>, DRCEEPHD <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I am not a member of the church of modern medicine.

I will not encourage you to try and cut-burn-poison yourself into health.

Those that encourage you to do so by discouraging any rational discussion of alternative
procedures need to be scourged and crucified as in the Passion.

That's what I like about Chuck -- his forgiving, Christian nature.

Yep, although he ought to be more careful, making an analogy between skeptics and Jesus like that.
I'm sure comparing us to Jesus, even accidentally, was the last thing on his mind. ;-)

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you inconvenience me with questions?"

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By the way on a related note, I have learned a new word this week: cyperchondria . On
www.google.com it brought up 5990 hits.

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(Opps....typo) Cyberchondria imakenews.come article000152340.cfmOpen ↗
Interesting article.

...

It does look interesting. Though in my experience, my relative always seemed to be suffering from a
different ailment at each holiday gathering. It was always something she read about on the internet.

Oh, sorry about the typo... perhaps I am coming down with some keyboard dis-association ailment.

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By the way on a related note, I have learned a new word this week: cyperchondria . On
www.google.com it brought up 5990 hits.

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(Opps....typo) Cyberchondria

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forgot to say: I am very glad that www.google.com has a spell checker!

[email hidden] (DRCEEPHD) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments From: Orac [email hidden] Date: 3/3/04 8:24 PM Eastern
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In article said:

If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that there is a very
concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the effectiveness of alternative cures
or approaches to medical problems.

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I

Quoted message said:

TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I was expecting when I discovered this
newsgroup. I had expected an environment where everyone reinforces my altie beliefs, without any
scientists or skeptics around to question them.

Explanation: The so called scientists or skeptics that abound here do not question in fairness.
Their goal is to insult, demean, degrade, and otherwise cause mayhem such that the medical
monopoly continues unabated with its goals of extracting as much money and power as it can from
the supplicants called patients.

So questions that show you to be clueless about medicine (or basic biology & A&P) upset you? That's
a durn shame......

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I am a scientist.

LOLOLOLOL -- good one! The scientific expertise you've demonstrated in this NG could be summed up in
one word -- none.

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I am not a member of the church of modern medicine.

As if such a thing existed....

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I will not encourage you to try and cut-burn-poison yourself into health.

Your expertise only qualifies you to encourage others to consult people who actually know what
they're talking about.

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Those that encourage you to do so by discouraging any rational discussion of alternative
procedures need to be scourged and crucified as in the Passion.

Rational discussion isn't mindless head nodding in agreement with anything labeled "alternative".
And your hyperbole WRT the idea of crucifixion for those who don't blindly embrace every
physiologically improbable theory that floats around MHA makes your statements that you are a
scientist even more obviously untrue.

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From: [email hidden] (DRCEEPHD)

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I am a scientist.

Sure, and Rosenau is a Nobel Laureate, H*lda has the Cure for All Diseases, & Jan Drew is an
Astronaut.

With all due sincerity, Charles, you MUST learn to think outside the Chalupa.

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If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly
notice that

there

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is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims
made about the effectiveness of alternative cures or
approaches to medical problems.

The first thing you will notice is that these people
always try and discredit any item whatsoever , in other
words they just attack anything

at

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all . This is a direct indication of their real motives .

The reason you have come here is to seek other points of
view outside the mainstream medical ones . Take the time
to read through the items offered here as there are many
worthwhile links and good information to be had .

You will very quickly learn to do what I have done and
killfile those annoying trolls .

All those genuine posters here should also take the point
, the only

reason

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these idiots hang around is because you give them reason
to . I found out quickly that the arguments you enter into
are boring and repetitive and always go nowhere , so why
bother guys ? . Try a no response reaction

and

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see how quickly they lose interest .

I kinda think you're right. It'as a total waste of time
to argue with them. The best thing to do may be to not
rise and take the bait they offer. Just ignore them
completely as their minds are unchangingly rigid and
permanently closed.

RB

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Bew

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Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments
From: "RB" [email hidden]
Date: 3/25/2004 10:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Just ignore them completely as their minds are unchangingly
rigid and permanently closed.

RB

and you are stupid rubber brain...

hawki.....

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"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very
quickly notice that

there

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is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims
made about the effectiveness of alternative cures or
approaches to medical problems.

The first thing you will notice is that these people
always try and discredit any item whatsoever , in other
words they just attack anything

at

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all . This is a direct indication of their real
motives .

The reason you have come here is to seek other points of
view outside

the

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mainstream medical ones . Take the time to read through
the items

offered

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here as there are many worthwhile links and good
information to be had .

You will very quickly learn to do what I have done and
killfile those annoying trolls .

All those genuine posters here should also take the
point , the only

reason

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these idiots hang around is because you give them reason
to . I found

out

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quickly that the arguments you enter into are boring and
repetitive and always go nowhere , so why bother guys ?
. Try a no response reaction

and

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see how quickly they lose interest .

I kinda think you're right. It'as a total waste of time
to argue with them. The best thing to do may be to not
rise and take the bait they

offer.

You have been doing just that. We ask a question, and you
provide a non-answer to one we did not ask.

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Just ignore them completely as their minds are
unchangingly rigid and permanently closed.

RB

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Bew

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RB said:

I kinda think you're right. It'as a total waste of time
to argue with them. The best thing to do may be to not
rise and take the bait they offer. Just ignore them
completely as their minds are unchangingly rigid and
permanently closed.

As another irony meter bites the dust.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)