Tour de Romandie



TheDarkLord said:
:D We have women athletes who grew a beard, and now we have male athletes who look feminine? Is estrogen a PED?
Estrogen is/has been used as a PED AFAIK. When Jesus Manzano had those "reveal all" interviews after being fired by the Kelme team he listed about 20 or 30 PED's in use, which included Neofertinon, a drug that stimulates ovulation and estrogen producton. Don't ask me what its performance benefits were/are for guys. I think Doctor.House has mentioned estrogen or estrogen stimulators as being an enhancer for other PED's.
 
TheDarkLord said:
Haha! Where are you Crankyfeet? :D
"Facetious" is a thunderism now. Up there with "extemporise" and "cognitive dissonance" and "vituperative"... :p
 
Crankyfeet said:
Estrogen is/has been used as a PED AFAIK. When Jesus Manzano had those "reveal all" interviews after being fired by the Kelme team he listed about 20 or 30 PED's in use, which included Neofertinon, a drug that stimulates ovulation and estrogen producton. Don't ask me what its performance benefits were/are for guys. I think Doctor.House has mentioned estrogen or estrogen stimulators as being an enhancer for other PED's.
Interesting. So, it is really possible that some people unwittingly develop some feminine characteristics...
 
TheDarkLord said:
Interesting. So, it is really possible that some people unwittingly develop some feminine characteristics...

Of course. Tommy D has been taking est for years.... He's such a girl.
 
whiteboytrash said:
Of course. Tommy D has been taking est for years.... He's such a girl.
Being a hermaphrodite is difficult enough without people like you discriminating against them in public... :mad: :D
 
Havent seen any of today's stage yet but maybe Nick Nuyens will give it a go. He finished way off the pace yesterday. Is he tired after the Classics or just allowing a nice big time gap so that the top teams will allow him to go on the attack?
 
Anticyclone said:
Havent seen any of today's stage yet but maybe Nick Nuyens will give it a go. He finished way off the pace yesterday. Is he tired after the Classics or just allowing a nice big time gap so that the top teams will allow him to go on the attack?
Robbie McEwan got the win ahead of Bennati for Stage 2.
 
Cavendish either sucks at long distance races or is ill, because he finished 9 minutes down on a stage which Robbie McEwen managed to win. If McEwen can get over the mountains, Cav should be able to as well. At this rate he won't be winning any stages at the Giro because he'll have dropped out before the pancake flat stages come around.
 
Eldrack said:
Cavendish either sucks at long distance races or is ill, because he finished 9 minutes down on a stage which Robbie McEwen managed to win. If McEwen can get over the mountains, Cav should be able to as well. At this rate he won't be winning any stages at the Giro because he'll have dropped out before the pancake flat stages come around.
He's still pretty young. He struggled a lot at the TdF last year with keeping up with the autobus.

But, he'd better start to get some climbing legs or he won't be sprinting for GT jerseys at the end.
 
First win of the year for McEwan. Good to see the aussie back into some form.
Time trial coming up, i'm hoping Kloden has the form to do well, but im thinking he'll only get top 5. I think the mountain stage afterwards will be much more decisive in terms of GC anyway, its pretty short but has some intense climbing. Interesting to note that Dekker mentioned he felt a little bit tired after all the spring classics etc. So based on that i don't think hes a sure thing to win the overall.
 
As regards the McEwen v Cavendish thing, there were 100 people in the leading group yesterday so anyone who couldnt make it really was struggling. As i wrote on the other thread it makes me wonder if Cavendish will make it through the mountainous Saturday stage to have a chance on the shores of lake geneva on sunday? Given the amount of climbing to be done he may get eliminated.

As for Dekker i do wonder how good classics form is - does it show someone is on good form or will they be tired from having been at the sharp end of things?

I will go for Dekker on today's stage - Wiggins is a good TT man and has been lurking at the back of the field. However, the climb in today's stage must be too steep for him to come near the top. Kloden is again a big question mark. Has he spent recent weeks preparing especially for this race or not? The Czech bloke, Roman (Kreuzinger?) will be one to watch as well - he did well in this race last year and Liquigas seem to be doing quite well given Nibali's recent results.
 
3500 metres of climbing tomorrow, Cavendish is going to be out the back on the first (uncatagorised for some reason) climb.

I think I'll have to agree the hill in the TT puts Wiggins out of the running. It'll be interesting to see how Kloden does but I'll go with Dekker for the win. He's in good form and no doubt looking to win this race overall so will want so padding ahead of tomorrows monster of a stage.
 
Eldrack said:
Cavendish either sucks at long distance races or is ill, because he finished 9 minutes down on a stage which Robbie McEwen managed to win. If McEwen can get over the mountains, Cav should be able to as well. At this rate he won't be winning any stages at the Giro because he'll have dropped out before the pancake flat stages come around.
Eldrack there are not really any 23 yo sprinters.

23 yos can still be riding espoirs, like Rabo developemen squad. They cannot ride u23 o'course.

Who are the young sprinters?

Ciolek. Better strength, enurance and climbing ability than Cav. But Cav is a far better tter. Go figure.

Oscar Gatto Gerolsteiner

Thomas Fothen Gerolsteiner

Matt Goss CSC, will be more than a sprinter, prolly a classics man.

Matti Breschel, more than a sprinter, great classics strength, very fast, not quite as fast as Goss imo.

Haussler, maybe as fast as Goss and as strong as Breschel.

Weylandt, bit older, cant handle the hills tho.

Mauro Richeze. Ariel younger brother, can handle the hills like his older brother.

Duque Cofidis. See Ariel Richeze, older than the rest of the guys here, but strong, not quite as fast.

Fastest not so young guy is Chicchi.


You are expecting Cav, to be as strong as he is fast. Just cos he s the fastest, does not mean he is the strongest. And remember, his speed, is being overinflated, because he rides on High Road.

If he did it tough via Barloworld, he would not have as many wins, and would have to find wheels and do the work in the last 15 kms himself. He has the benefit of great team support. Mcewen only got that in about 2003 onwards, when he was 32. Cav gets it at 23.

Sutton is a good sprinter for a young kid, and so is Farrar, but you will not see them contesting this stage. (past tense)

I reckon Cav could be more than a sprinter, if you see his numbers he puts out in a tt. He might be able to transform that into a classics physiology. But, he would have to compromise his sprint, which is what earns him the big bucks. He wont do it, even if he had the energy system to ride for 400 minutes in a selective classic like Flanders and Roubaix.

Reynes and Rojas Gil from Spain too.

Rojas Gil in particular. Ever seen a 23 yo look like a 40 yo. See him, too many hormones obviously.
 
Kloeden wins the stage and takes the yellow.

The T.T. top 5:

1.
Andreas Klöden (All, Astana) 25'32". 2. Thomas Dekker (PB, Rabobank) 25'36" 3.​
Andreas Klöden (Ger, Astana) 25'32 ". 2. Thomas Dekker (PB, Rabobank) 25'36" 3.
Stef Clement (PB, Bouygues) 25'52" 4. Tony Martin (All, THR) 25'53" 5.​
Stef Clement (PB, Bouygues) 25'52 "4. Tony Martin (Ger, THR) 25'53" 5.
Gustav Larsson (Sue, Csc) 25'57"​
Gustav Larsson (Sue, Csc) 25'57 "
 
Overall standings has Astana with 3 in the Top 11.

Must be their masterful training program.
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hawkeye87 said:
Overall standings has Astana with 3 in the Top 11.

Must be their masterful training program.
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Watching Kloden take the TT I was thinking, "I wonder who trains Bruyneel's riders". That guy should be famous. For years now he's been able to get a whole host of different guys on peak form at just the right time :)