today I...

JC Der Koenig said:

It's quite telling that you can't see how taking responsibility is related
to the topic at hand.

Answer her question JC ?

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll never

be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose weight
in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone for
reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight routine,

Is there something I missed? Why would anyone care about JC's respect, it's
obvious he has earned none.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

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...walked a mile. In my own shoes <G>.

You know, they say you should never criticize another man until you walk a
mile in his shoes. That way when you DO criticize him, you're a mile
away.....and you have his shoes!

Steve Martin?

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...walked a mile. In my own shoes <G>.

You know, they say you should never criticize another man until you walk
a
mile in his shoes. That way when you DO criticize him, you're a mile
away.....and you have his shoes!

Steve Martin?

Not that I know of. I heard one of the guys on the NPR show Car Talk say it
once.
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> You know, they say you should never criticize another man until you

walk

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a
mile in his shoes. That way when you DO criticize him, you're a mile
away.....and you have his shoes!

Steve Martin?

Not that I know of. I heard one of the guys on the NPR show Car Talk say

it

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once.

I think he stole it from Steve Martin

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No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

You're telling someone in induction that eating one meal a day of only
meat and eggs won't help her lose weight. I'm saying it will. I'm
right and you're wrong. You won't take responsibility for the fact that
you're wrong.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

It's quite telling that you can't see how taking responsibility is related
to the topic at hand.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Are you kidding? First off, taking responsibility isn't even remotely
related to the topic at hand. Secondly, I fervently believe in taking
responsibility for one's own actions. There's no other way to live,
imo. I also believe in some other things that you seem to be missing,
like taking credit for one's own _good_ decisions, and accepting the
things you can't change while working on the things you can. None of us
here who are fat can change what we did in the past. The past is over
and done with, but you still attempt to use it against people, people
who _are_ taking responsibility and doing something about their weight.
You're the first to jump on someone for being fat, even someone who is
doing low-carb to the letter, and exercising, and actually _losing
weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll never
be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose weight
in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone for
reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight routine,
do you berate yourself because it wasn't two sets? If you eat nothing
for a week, do you beat yourself up because it wasn't two weeks?

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

I know you don't believe that taking responsibilty for one's own actions
has
a place in our society, but you should really try it. You might even
reach
some of your goals some day.

I don't expect you to understand, so don't catch a headache trying.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Yes. Among other things. The point is, I lost the first 50 pounds while
> eating as much as I wanted, and sherry is still in that stage.
> Although, "as much as I wanted" was significantly less than it was in
> the high-carb days. I just wasn't hungry enough in the absence of
> carbs
> to eat enough to keep the weight on. Sherry IS eating less, she IS
> exercising more, and she IS losing weight. I think your problem is that
> it isn't difficult for her yet, and you think it should be difficult or
> she's doing it wrong. That's why you argued with me that it wasn't a
> good idea to get rid of the high-carb foods in the house, because you
> think weightloss should be as tortuously hard as possible.
>
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> That's why you've never been able to break through your stall.
>>
>> --
>> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
>> MFW
>>
>>
>> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > Eating less isn't as important in the early stages of low-carb.
>> > Sherry
>> > probably doesn't have to force herself to eat less yet, she's
>> > probably
>> > not hungry enough to eat too much if she's keeping her carbs low.
>> > Plus,
>> > she did say this was her one meal for the day anyway.
>> >
>> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> You don't need a buffet, you need to eat less.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> >> hat. --
>> >> MFW
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> > ...walked a mile. In my own shoes <G>. I haven't been able to
>> >> > walk
>> >> > for a
>> >> > long time, and I didn't even get winded. My daughter (13) went
>> >> > with
>> >> > me,
>> >> > and we each took one of our dogs. It was along a river, slightly
>> >> > rising
>> >> > and falling so it wasn't just flat and boring. We plan to do it
>> >> > every
>> >> > day
>> >> > and I hope to get back up to 4 miles/day, which is what I used to
>> >> > do
>> >> > with
>> >> > a
>> >> > friend before an accident/serious injury sidelined me a few years
>> >> > ago.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's day 12 and things are still going so well I'm afraid I will
>> >> > wake
>> >> > up.
>> >> > Well, I probably will, it just hasn't happened yet 🙂. Keeping
>> >> > my
>> >> > carb
>> >> > count at 20 hasn't been difficult because I love most vegetables,
>> >> > I
>> >> > love
>> >> > meats, I love being able to put butter on my vegetables, I love
>> >> > salads...well, you get the idea. This way of eating is fitting
>> >> > me
>> >> > like
>> >> > a
>> >> > glove.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd mentioned that my husband can put his arms all the way around
>> >> > me.
>> >> > I
>> >> > can also bend down and tie my shoes without having to hold my
>> >> > breath.
>> >> > I
>> >> > can encircle my wrist with my hand (not on the same arm - lol).
>> >> > All
>> >> > things
>> >> > that are new since I started LC eating.
>> >> >
>> >> > Last thing I notice, and it may be related to how I'm eating, or
>> >> > may
>> >> > be
>> >> > related to my better frame of mind, but I'm sleeping like a rock.
>> >> > Sleep
>> >> > has been fitful with lots of tossing and turning for years now,
>> >> > until
>> >> > the
>> >> > last week or more. Now I sleep so soundly the night zips by in
>> >> > about 3
>> >> > minutes <G>.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am SO GLAD to finally have taken this step, Saturday will be my
>> >> > 14-day
>> >> > celebration with my husband. We're going to our favorite date
>> >> > place
>> >> > when
>> >> > he gets off work in the morning, our friendly local casino. We
>> >> > go
>> >> > for
>> >> > the
>> >> > MASSIVE breakfast buffet (and then we don't have to eat the rest
>> >> > of
>> >> > the
>> >> > day) and then we each play $20 in nickels in the slot machines.
>> >> > Cheap
>> >> > date
>> >> > but so much fun. The buffet has nice big breakfast steaks,
>> >> > bacon,
>> >> > poached
>> >> > eggs, all sorts of things I can eat. No vegetables (that I
>> >> > recall)
>> >> > but
>> >> > I'll fill up on those tomorrow. I always loaded up with french
>> >> > toast
>> >> > and
>> >> > corned beef hash and cheese blintzes (sp?) in the past - in my
>> >> > "old
>> >> > life".
>> >> > This will not only be a celebration but it will be a test and I'm
>> >> > determined to pass it 🙂.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway...thanks for listening!
>> >> >
>> >> > Sherry
>> >> > 360/?/195

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None Given said:

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

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weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll never

be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose weight
in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone for
reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight routine,

Is there something I missed? Why would anyone care about JC's respect, it's
obvious he has earned none.

I used to respect him. He used to be really good at pointing out when
people were making excuses and doing it all wrong. Now he attacks and
insults even the people who are following low-carb to the letter and
successfully losing weight. If he's going to attack even the people who
are doing it right, then no, I don't respect him anymore. His comments
are useless.

I disagree. I don't think it's ever useful to degrade people who are
trying, even if they are "making excuses and doing it all wrong." Better
to point out in a positive way IMO, but JC is "useless" at that. :-)

--
Cheri

Luna wrote in message ...

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I used to respect him. He used to be really good at pointing out when
people were making excuses and doing it all wrong. Now he attacks and
insults even the people who are following low-carb to the letter and
successfully losing weight. If he's going to attack even the people

who

Quoted message said:

are doing it right, then no, I don't respect him anymore. His comments
are useless.

Many people won't lose weight, other that a few initial pounds of water, if
they eat one meal per day of 5000 calories of meat and eggs.

Is that why you've stalled?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You're telling someone in induction that eating one meal a day of only
meat and eggs won't help her lose weight. I'm saying it will. I'm
right and you're wrong. You won't take responsibility for the fact that
you're wrong.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

It's quite telling that you can't see how taking responsibility is
related
to the topic at hand.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Are you kidding? First off, taking responsibility isn't even remotely
related to the topic at hand. Secondly, I fervently believe in taking
responsibility for one's own actions. There's no other way to live,
imo. I also believe in some other things that you seem to be missing,
like taking credit for one's own _good_ decisions, and accepting the
things you can't change while working on the things you can. None of
us
here who are fat can change what we did in the past. The past is over
and done with, but you still attempt to use it against people, people
who _are_ taking responsibility and doing something about their weight.
You're the first to jump on someone for being fat, even someone who is
doing low-carb to the letter, and exercising, and actually _losing
weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll
never
be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
weight
in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone for
reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight routine,
do you berate yourself because it wasn't two sets? If you eat nothing
for a week, do you beat yourself up because it wasn't two weeks?

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I know you don't believe that taking responsibilty for one's own
> actions
> has
> a place in our society, but you should really try it. You might even
> reach
> some of your goals some day.
>
> I don't expect you to understand, so don't catch a headache trying.
>
> --
> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
> MFW
>
>
> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Yes. Among other things. The point is, I lost the first 50 pounds
> > while
> > eating as much as I wanted, and sherry is still in that stage.
> > Although, "as much as I wanted" was significantly less than it was
> > in
> > the high-carb days. I just wasn't hungry enough in the absence of
> > carbs
> > to eat enough to keep the weight on. Sherry IS eating less, she IS
> > exercising more, and she IS losing weight. I think your problem is
> > that
> > it isn't difficult for her yet, and you think it should be difficult
> > or
> > she's doing it wrong. That's why you argued with me that it wasn't
> > a
> > good idea to get rid of the high-carb foods in the house, because
> > you
> > think weightloss should be as tortuously hard as possible.
> >
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> That's why you've never been able to break through your stall.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> hat. --
> >> MFW
> >>
> >>
> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> > Eating less isn't as important in the early stages of low-carb.
> >> > Sherry
> >> > probably doesn't have to force herself to eat less yet, she's
> >> > probably
> >> > not hungry enough to eat too much if she's keeping her carbs low.
> >> > Plus,
> >> > she did say this was her one meal for the day anyway.
> >> >
> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You don't need a buffet, you need to eat less.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> >> hat. --
> >> >> MFW
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> > ...walked a mile. In my own shoes <G>. I haven't been able
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > walk
> >> >> > for a
> >> >> > long time, and I didn't even get winded. My daughter (13)
> >> >> > went
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > me,
> >> >> > and we each took one of our dogs. It was along a river,
> >> >> > slightly
> >> >> > rising
> >> >> > and falling so it wasn't just flat and boring. We plan to do
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > every
> >> >> > day
> >> >> > and I hope to get back up to 4 miles/day, which is what I used
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > do
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > friend before an accident/serious injury sidelined me a few
> >> >> > years
> >> >> > ago.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's day 12 and things are still going so well I'm afraid I
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > wake
> >> >> > up.
> >> >> > Well, I probably will, it just hasn't happened yet 🙂.
> >> >> > Keeping
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > carb
> >> >> > count at 20 hasn't been difficult because I love most
> >> >> > vegetables,
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > love
> >> >> > meats, I love being able to put butter on my vegetables, I
> >> >> > love
> >> >> > salads...well, you get the idea. This way of eating is
> >> >> > fitting
> >> >> > me
> >> >> > like
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > glove.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'd mentioned that my husband can put his arms all the way
> >> >> > around
> >> >> > me.
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > can also bend down and tie my shoes without having to hold my
> >> >> > breath.
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > can encircle my wrist with my hand (not on the same arm -
> >> >> > lol).
> >> >> > All
> >> >> > things
> >> >> > that are new since I started LC eating.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Last thing I notice, and it may be related to how I'm eating,
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > may
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > related to my better frame of mind, but I'm sleeping like a
> >> >> > rock.
> >> >> > Sleep
> >> >> > has been fitful with lots of tossing and turning for years
> >> >> > now,
> >> >> > until
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > last week or more. Now I sleep so soundly the night zips by
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > about 3
> >> >> > minutes <G>.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am SO GLAD to finally have taken this step, Saturday will be
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > 14-day
> >> >> > celebration with my husband. We're going to our favorite date
> >> >> > place
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > he gets off work in the morning, our friendly local casino.
> >> >> > We
> >> >> > go
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > MASSIVE breakfast buffet (and then we don't have to eat the
> >> >> > rest
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > day) and then we each play $20 in nickels in the slot
> >> >> > machines.
> >> >> > Cheap
> >> >> > date
> >> >> > but so much fun. The buffet has nice big breakfast steaks,
> >> >> > bacon,
> >> >> > poached
> >> >> > eggs, all sorts of things I can eat. No vegetables (that I
> >> >> > recall)
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > I'll fill up on those tomorrow. I always loaded up with
> >> >> > french
> >> >> > toast
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > corned beef hash and cheese blintzes (sp?) in the past - in my
> >> >> > "old
> >> >> > life".
> >> >> > This will not only be a celebration but it will be a test and
> >> >> > I'm
> >> >> > determined to pass it 🙂.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyway...thanks for listening!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sherry
> >> >> > 360/?/195

The only thing we have failed to do is satisfy you and that's not our job.

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
| You don't "respect" me because I've pointed out where you've failed.
| Instead of taking responsibility for your failure, you blame the
| messenger.
|
| P.S. This is what's wrong with the USA.
|
| --
| You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
|
|

You don't have a job.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The only thing we have failed to do is satisfy you and that's not our job.

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
| You don't "respect" me because I've pointed out where you've failed.
| Instead of taking responsibility for your failure, you blame the
| messenger.
|
| P.S. This is what's wrong with the USA.
|
| --
| You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
|
|

You're right, I'm retired. Whoopeee!!!!

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
| You don't have a job.
|
| --
| You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
|
|

I'm not even talking about what you said to me, rather what you've said
to others who _are_ losing weight. I know I haven't succeeded, though
the word "failed" has a finality to it that doesn't seem appropriate for
a project that's still in progress.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

You don't "respect" me because I've pointed out where you've failed. Instead
of taking responsibility for your failure, you blame the messenger.

P.S. This is what's wrong with the USA.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

None Given said:

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> > weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll
> > never
> be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
> weight
> in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone for
> reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
> yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight routine,

Is there something I missed? Why would anyone care about JC's respect,
it's
obvious he has earned none.

I used to respect him. He used to be really good at pointing out when
people were making excuses and doing it all wrong. Now he attacks and
insults even the people who are following low-carb to the letter and
successfully losing weight. If he's going to attack even the people who
are doing it right, then no, I don't respect him anymore. His comments
are useless.

Nah. I've stalled on ~1500 calories a day. And you pulled that 5000
calorie figure right out of your ass.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Many people won't lose weight, other that a few initial pounds of water, if
they eat one meal per day of 5000 calories of meat and eggs.

Is that why you've stalled?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

You're telling someone in induction that eating one meal a day of only
meat and eggs won't help her lose weight. I'm saying it will. I'm
right and you're wrong. You won't take responsibility for the fact that
you're wrong.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

It's quite telling that you can't see how taking responsibility is
related
to the topic at hand.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Are you kidding? First off, taking responsibility isn't even remotely
> related to the topic at hand. Secondly, I fervently believe in taking
> responsibility for one's own actions. There's no other way to live,
> imo. I also believe in some other things that you seem to be missing,
> like taking credit for one's own _good_ decisions, and accepting the
> things you can't change while working on the things you can. None of
> us
> here who are fat can change what we did in the past. The past is over
> and done with, but you still attempt to use it against people, people
> who _are_ taking responsibility and doing something about their weight.
> You're the first to jump on someone for being fat, even someone who is
> doing low-carb to the letter, and exercising, and actually _losing
> weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll
> never
> be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
> weight
> in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone for
> reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
> yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight routine,
> do you berate yourself because it wasn't two sets? If you eat nothing
> for a week, do you beat yourself up because it wasn't two weeks?
>
>
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> I know you don't believe that taking responsibilty for one's own
>> actions
>> has
>> a place in our society, but you should really try it. You might even
>> reach
>> some of your goals some day.
>>
>> I don't expect you to understand, so don't catch a headache trying.
>>
>> --
>> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
>> MFW
>>
>>
>> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > Yes. Among other things. The point is, I lost the first 50 pounds
>> > while
>> > eating as much as I wanted, and sherry is still in that stage.
>> > Although, "as much as I wanted" was significantly less than it was
>> > in
>> > the high-carb days. I just wasn't hungry enough in the absence of
>> > carbs
>> > to eat enough to keep the weight on. Sherry IS eating less, she IS
>> > exercising more, and she IS losing weight. I think your problem is
>> > that
>> > it isn't difficult for her yet, and you think it should be difficult
>> > or
>> > she's doing it wrong. That's why you argued with me that it wasn't
>> > a
>> > good idea to get rid of the high-carb foods in the house, because
>> > you
>> > think weightloss should be as tortuously hard as possible.
>> >
>> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> That's why you've never been able to break through your stall.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> >> hat. --
>> >> MFW
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> > Eating less isn't as important in the early stages of low-carb.
>> >> > Sherry
>> >> > probably doesn't have to force herself to eat less yet, she's
>> >> > probably
>> >> > not hungry enough to eat too much if she's keeping her carbs low.
>> >> > Plus,
>> >> > she did say this was her one meal for the day anyway.
>> >> >
>> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You don't need a buffet, you need to eat less.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> >> >> hat. --
>> >> >> MFW
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> >> > ...walked a mile. In my own shoes <G>. I haven't been able
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > walk
>> >> >> > for a
>> >> >> > long time, and I didn't even get winded. My daughter (13)
>> >> >> > went
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > me,
>> >> >> > and we each took one of our dogs. It was along a river,
>> >> >> > slightly
>> >> >> > rising
>> >> >> > and falling so it wasn't just flat and boring. We plan to do
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > every
>> >> >> > day
>> >> >> > and I hope to get back up to 4 miles/day, which is what I used
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > do
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > friend before an accident/serious injury sidelined me a few
>> >> >> > years
>> >> >> > ago.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It's day 12 and things are still going so well I'm afraid I
>> >> >> > will
>> >> >> > wake
>> >> >> > up.
>> >> >> > Well, I probably will, it just hasn't happened yet 🙂.
>> >> >> > Keeping
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > carb
>> >> >> > count at 20 hasn't been difficult because I love most
>> >> >> > vegetables,
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > love
>> >> >> > meats, I love being able to put butter on my vegetables, I
>> >> >> > love
>> >> >> > salads...well, you get the idea. This way of eating is
>> >> >> > fitting
>> >> >> > me
>> >> >> > like
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > glove.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'd mentioned that my husband can put his arms all the way
>> >> >> > around
>> >> >> > me.
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > can also bend down and tie my shoes without having to hold my
>> >> >> > breath.
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > can encircle my wrist with my hand (not on the same arm -
>> >> >> > lol).
>> >> >> > All
>> >> >> > things
>> >> >> > that are new since I started LC eating.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Last thing I notice, and it may be related to how I'm eating,
>> >> >> > or
>> >> >> > may
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > related to my better frame of mind, but I'm sleeping like a
>> >> >> > rock.
>> >> >> > Sleep
>> >> >> > has been fitful with lots of tossing and turning for years
>> >> >> > now,
>> >> >> > until
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > last week or more. Now I sleep so soundly the night zips by
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > about 3
>> >> >> > minutes <G>.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I am SO GLAD to finally have taken this step, Saturday will be
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > 14-day
>> >> >> > celebration with my husband. We're going to our favorite date
>> >> >> > place
>> >> >> > when
>> >> >> > he gets off work in the morning, our friendly local casino.
>> >> >> > We
>> >> >> > go
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > MASSIVE breakfast buffet (and then we don't have to eat the
>> >> >> > rest
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > day) and then we each play $20 in nickels in the slot
>> >> >> > machines.
>> >> >> > Cheap
>> >> >> > date
>> >> >> > but so much fun. The buffet has nice big breakfast steaks,
>> >> >> > bacon,
>> >> >> > poached
>> >> >> > eggs, all sorts of things I can eat. No vegetables (that I
>> >> >> > recall)
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > I'll fill up on those tomorrow. I always loaded up with
>> >> >> > french
>> >> >> > toast
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > corned beef hash and cheese blintzes (sp?) in the past - in my
>> >> >> > "old
>> >> >> > life".
>> >> >> > This will not only be a celebration but it will be a test and
>> >> >> > I'm
>> >> >> > determined to pass it 🙂.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyway...thanks for listening!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sherry
>> >> >> > 360/?/195

They may be losing weight today, but will they be still losing tomorrow?

Are you?

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm not even talking about what you said to me, rather what you've said
to others who _are_ losing weight. I know I haven't succeeded, though
the word "failed" has a finality to it that doesn't seem appropriate for
a project that's still in progress.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

You don't "respect" me because I've pointed out where you've failed.
Instead
of taking responsibility for your failure, you blame the messenger.

P.S. This is what's wrong with the USA.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"None Given" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > > weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll
> > > never
> > be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
> > weight
> > in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone
> > for
> > reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
> > yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight
> > routine,
>
>
> Is there something I missed? Why would anyone care about JC's
> respect,
> it's
> obvious he has earned none.

I used to respect him. He used to be really good at pointing out when
people were making excuses and doing it all wrong. Now he attacks and
insults even the people who are following low-carb to the letter and
successfully losing weight. If he's going to attack even the people
who
are doing it right, then no, I don't respect him anymore. His comments
are useless.

Try eating less and exercising more.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Nah. I've stalled on ~1500 calories a day. And you pulled that 5000
calorie figure right out of your ass.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Many people won't lose weight, other that a few initial pounds of water,
if
they eat one meal per day of 5000 calories of meat and eggs.

Is that why you've stalled?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

You're telling someone in induction that eating one meal a day of only
meat and eggs won't help her lose weight. I'm saying it will. I'm
right and you're wrong. You won't take responsibility for the fact
that
you're wrong.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> It's quite telling that you can't see how taking responsibility is
> related
> to the topic at hand.
>
> --
> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
>
>
> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Are you kidding? First off, taking responsibility isn't even
> > remotely
> > related to the topic at hand. Secondly, I fervently believe in
> > taking
> > responsibility for one's own actions. There's no other way to live,
> > imo. I also believe in some other things that you seem to be
> > missing,
> > like taking credit for one's own _good_ decisions, and accepting the
> > things you can't change while working on the things you can. None
> > of
> > us
> > here who are fat can change what we did in the past. The past is
> > over
> > and done with, but you still attempt to use it against people,
> > people
> > who _are_ taking responsibility and doing something about their
> > weight.
> > You're the first to jump on someone for being fat, even someone who
> > is
> > doing low-carb to the letter, and exercising, and actually _losing
> > weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll
> > never
> > be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
> > weight
> > in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone
> > for
> > reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
> > yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight
> > routine,
> > do you berate yourself because it wasn't two sets? If you eat
> > nothing
> > for a week, do you beat yourself up because it wasn't two weeks?
> >
> >
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> I know you don't believe that taking responsibilty for one's own
> >> actions
> >> has
> >> a place in our society, but you should really try it. You might
> >> even
> >> reach
> >> some of your goals some day.
> >>
> >> I don't expect you to understand, so don't catch a headache trying.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> hat. --
> >> MFW
> >>
> >>
> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> > Yes. Among other things. The point is, I lost the first 50 pounds
> >> > while
> >> > eating as much as I wanted, and sherry is still in that stage.
> >> > Although, "as much as I wanted" was significantly less than it
> >> > was
> >> > in
> >> > the high-carb days. I just wasn't hungry enough in the absence
> >> > of
> >> > carbs
> >> > to eat enough to keep the weight on. Sherry IS eating less, she
> >> > IS
> >> > exercising more, and she IS losing weight. I think your problem
> >> > is
> >> > that
> >> > it isn't difficult for her yet, and you think it should be
> >> > difficult
> >> > or
> >> > she's doing it wrong. That's why you argued with me that it
> >> > wasn't
> >> > a
> >> > good idea to get rid of the high-carb foods in the house, because
> >> > you
> >> > think weightloss should be as tortuously hard as possible.
> >> >
> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> That's why you've never been able to break through your stall.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> >> hat. --
> >> >> MFW
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> > Eating less isn't as important in the early stages of
> >> >> > low-carb.
> >> >> > Sherry
> >> >> > probably doesn't have to force herself to eat less yet, she's
> >> >> > probably
> >> >> > not hungry enough to eat too much if she's keeping her carbs
> >> >> > low.
> >> >> > Plus,
> >> >> > she did say this was her one meal for the day anyway.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> >> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> You don't need a buffet, you need to eat less.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> >> >> hat. --
> >> >> >> MFW
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> >> > ...walked a mile. In my own shoes <G>. I haven't been
> >> >> >> > able
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > walk
> >> >> >> > for a
> >> >> >> > long time, and I didn't even get winded. My daughter (13)
> >> >> >> > went
> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> > me,
> >> >> >> > and we each took one of our dogs. It was along a river,
> >> >> >> > slightly
> >> >> >> > rising
> >> >> >> > and falling so it wasn't just flat and boring. We plan to
> >> >> >> > do
> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> > every
> >> >> >> > day
> >> >> >> > and I hope to get back up to 4 miles/day, which is what I
> >> >> >> > used
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > do
> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > friend before an accident/serious injury sidelined me a few
> >> >> >> > years
> >> >> >> > ago.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It's day 12 and things are still going so well I'm afraid I
> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> > wake
> >> >> >> > up.
> >> >> >> > Well, I probably will, it just hasn't happened yet 🙂.
> >> >> >> > Keeping
> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> > carb
> >> >> >> > count at 20 hasn't been difficult because I love most
> >> >> >> > vegetables,
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > love
> >> >> >> > meats, I love being able to put butter on my vegetables, I
> >> >> >> > love
> >> >> >> > salads...well, you get the idea. This way of eating is
> >> >> >> > fitting
> >> >> >> > me
> >> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > glove.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'd mentioned that my husband can put his arms all the way
> >> >> >> > around
> >> >> >> > me.
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > can also bend down and tie my shoes without having to hold
> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> > breath.
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > can encircle my wrist with my hand (not on the same arm -
> >> >> >> > lol).
> >> >> >> > All
> >> >> >> > things
> >> >> >> > that are new since I started LC eating.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Last thing I notice, and it may be related to how I'm
> >> >> >> > eating,
> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> > may
> >> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> > related to my better frame of mind, but I'm sleeping like a
> >> >> >> > rock.
> >> >> >> > Sleep
> >> >> >> > has been fitful with lots of tossing and turning for years
> >> >> >> > now,
> >> >> >> > until
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > last week or more. Now I sleep so soundly the night zips
> >> >> >> > by
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > about 3
> >> >> >> > minutes <G>.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I am SO GLAD to finally have taken this step, Saturday will
> >> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> > 14-day
> >> >> >> > celebration with my husband. We're going to our favorite
> >> >> >> > date
> >> >> >> > place
> >> >> >> > when
> >> >> >> > he gets off work in the morning, our friendly local casino.
> >> >> >> > We
> >> >> >> > go
> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > MASSIVE breakfast buffet (and then we don't have to eat the
> >> >> >> > rest
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > day) and then we each play $20 in nickels in the slot
> >> >> >> > machines.
> >> >> >> > Cheap
> >> >> >> > date
> >> >> >> > but so much fun. The buffet has nice big breakfast steaks,
> >> >> >> > bacon,
> >> >> >> > poached
> >> >> >> > eggs, all sorts of things I can eat. No vegetables (that I
> >> >> >> > recall)
> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> > I'll fill up on those tomorrow. I always loaded up with
> >> >> >> > french
> >> >> >> > toast
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > corned beef hash and cheese blintzes (sp?) in the past - in
> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> > "old
> >> >> >> > life".
> >> >> >> > This will not only be a celebration but it will be a test
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > I'm
> >> >> >> > determined to pass it 🙂.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyway...thanks for listening!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sherry
> >> >> >> > 360/?/195

The exercising more part is right on track. The eating less part is
where I keep failing. Last week I tried eating just one small meal a
day. That lasted until Friday. Some of the side effects bothered me
more than being fat does.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Try eating less and exercising more.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Nah. I've stalled on ~1500 calories a day. And you pulled that 5000
calorie figure right out of your ass.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Many people won't lose weight, other that a few initial pounds of water,
if
they eat one meal per day of 5000 calories of meat and eggs.

Is that why you've stalled?

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> You're telling someone in induction that eating one meal a day of only
> meat and eggs won't help her lose weight. I'm saying it will. I'm
> right and you're wrong. You won't take responsibility for the fact
> that
> you're wrong.
>
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> It's quite telling that you can't see how taking responsibility is
>> related
>> to the topic at hand.
>>
>> --
>> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
>>
>>
>> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > Are you kidding? First off, taking responsibility isn't even
>> > remotely
>> > related to the topic at hand. Secondly, I fervently believe in
>> > taking
>> > responsibility for one's own actions. There's no other way to live,
>> > imo. I also believe in some other things that you seem to be
>> > missing,
>> > like taking credit for one's own _good_ decisions, and accepting the
>> > things you can't change while working on the things you can. None
>> > of
>> > us
>> > here who are fat can change what we did in the past. The past is
>> > over
>> > and done with, but you still attempt to use it against people,
>> > people
>> > who _are_ taking responsibility and doing something about their
>> > weight.
>> > You're the first to jump on someone for being fat, even someone who
>> > is
>> > doing low-carb to the letter, and exercising, and actually _losing
>> > weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll
>> > never
>> > be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
>> > weight
>> > in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone
>> > for
>> > reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
>> > yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight
>> > routine,
>> > do you berate yourself because it wasn't two sets? If you eat
>> > nothing
>> > for a week, do you beat yourself up because it wasn't two weeks?
>> >
>> >
>> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I know you don't believe that taking responsibilty for one's own
>> >> actions
>> >> has
>> >> a place in our society, but you should really try it. You might
>> >> even
>> >> reach
>> >> some of your goals some day.
>> >>
>> >> I don't expect you to understand, so don't catch a headache trying.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> >> hat. --
>> >> MFW
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> > Yes. Among other things. The point is, I lost the first 50 pounds
>> >> > while
>> >> > eating as much as I wanted, and sherry is still in that stage.
>> >> > Although, "as much as I wanted" was significantly less than it
>> >> > was
>> >> > in
>> >> > the high-carb days. I just wasn't hungry enough in the absence
>> >> > of
>> >> > carbs
>> >> > to eat enough to keep the weight on. Sherry IS eating less, she
>> >> > IS
>> >> > exercising more, and she IS losing weight. I think your problem
>> >> > is
>> >> > that
>> >> > it isn't difficult for her yet, and you think it should be
>> >> > difficult
>> >> > or
>> >> > she's doing it wrong. That's why you argued with me that it
>> >> > wasn't
>> >> > a
>> >> > good idea to get rid of the high-carb foods in the house, because
>> >> > you
>> >> > think weightloss should be as tortuously hard as possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> That's why you've never been able to break through your stall.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> >> >> hat. --
>> >> >> MFW
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> >> > Eating less isn't as important in the early stages of
>> >> >> > low-carb.
>> >> >> > Sherry
>> >> >> > probably doesn't have to force herself to eat less yet, she's
>> >> >> > probably
>> >> >> > not hungry enough to eat too much if she's keeping her carbs
>> >> >> > low.
>> >> >> > Plus,
>> >> >> > she did say this was her one meal for the day anyway.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> >> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> You don't need a buffet, you need to eat less.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
>> >> >> >> hat. --
>> >> >> >> MFW
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> >> >> > ...walked a mile. In my own shoes <G>. I haven't been
>> >> >> >> > able
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > walk
>> >> >> >> > for a
>> >> >> >> > long time, and I didn't even get winded. My daughter (13)
>> >> >> >> > went
>> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> > me,
>> >> >> >> > and we each took one of our dogs. It was along a river,
>> >> >> >> > slightly
>> >> >> >> > rising
>> >> >> >> > and falling so it wasn't just flat and boring. We plan to
>> >> >> >> > do
>> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> > every
>> >> >> >> > day
>> >> >> >> > and I hope to get back up to 4 miles/day, which is what I
>> >> >> >> > used
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > do
>> >> >> >> > with
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > friend before an accident/serious injury sidelined me a few
>> >> >> >> > years
>> >> >> >> > ago.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > It's day 12 and things are still going so well I'm afraid I
>> >> >> >> > will
>> >> >> >> > wake
>> >> >> >> > up.
>> >> >> >> > Well, I probably will, it just hasn't happened yet 🙂.
>> >> >> >> > Keeping
>> >> >> >> > my
>> >> >> >> > carb
>> >> >> >> > count at 20 hasn't been difficult because I love most
>> >> >> >> > vegetables,
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > love
>> >> >> >> > meats, I love being able to put butter on my vegetables, I
>> >> >> >> > love
>> >> >> >> > salads...well, you get the idea. This way of eating is
>> >> >> >> > fitting
>> >> >> >> > me
>> >> >> >> > like
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > glove.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I'd mentioned that my husband can put his arms all the way
>> >> >> >> > around
>> >> >> >> > me.
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > can also bend down and tie my shoes without having to hold
>> >> >> >> > my
>> >> >> >> > breath.
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > can encircle my wrist with my hand (not on the same arm -
>> >> >> >> > lol).
>> >> >> >> > All
>> >> >> >> > things
>> >> >> >> > that are new since I started LC eating.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Last thing I notice, and it may be related to how I'm
>> >> >> >> > eating,
>> >> >> >> > or
>> >> >> >> > may
>> >> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >> > related to my better frame of mind, but I'm sleeping like a
>> >> >> >> > rock.
>> >> >> >> > Sleep
>> >> >> >> > has been fitful with lots of tossing and turning for years
>> >> >> >> > now,
>> >> >> >> > until
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > last week or more. Now I sleep so soundly the night zips
>> >> >> >> > by
>> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> > about 3
>> >> >> >> > minutes <G>.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I am SO GLAD to finally have taken this step, Saturday will
>> >> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >> > my
>> >> >> >> > 14-day
>> >> >> >> > celebration with my husband. We're going to our favorite
>> >> >> >> > date
>> >> >> >> > place
>> >> >> >> > when
>> >> >> >> > he gets off work in the morning, our friendly local casino.
>> >> >> >> > We
>> >> >> >> > go
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > MASSIVE breakfast buffet (and then we don't have to eat the
>> >> >> >> > rest
>> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > day) and then we each play $20 in nickels in the slot
>> >> >> >> > machines.
>> >> >> >> > Cheap
>> >> >> >> > date
>> >> >> >> > but so much fun. The buffet has nice big breakfast steaks,
>> >> >> >> > bacon,
>> >> >> >> > poached
>> >> >> >> > eggs, all sorts of things I can eat. No vegetables (that I
>> >> >> >> > recall)
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > I'll fill up on those tomorrow. I always loaded up with
>> >> >> >> > french
>> >> >> >> > toast
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > corned beef hash and cheese blintzes (sp?) in the past - in
>> >> >> >> > my
>> >> >> >> > "old
>> >> >> >> > life".
>> >> >> >> > This will not only be a celebration but it will be a test
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > I'm
>> >> >> >> > determined to pass it 🙂.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Anyway...thanks for listening!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Sherry
>> >> >> >> > 360/?/195

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

They may be losing weight today, but will they be still losing tomorrow?

Maybe. Maybe if they're excited and happy about their progress thus
far, they'll keep pushing to the finish line. But you think they
shouldn't be excited and happy until they're already done.

Quoted message said:

Are you?

Slowly losing what I regained. When I get back to 150, then I'll
officially be losing again.

Quoted message said:

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm not even talking about what you said to me, rather what you've said
to others who _are_ losing weight. I know I haven't succeeded, though
the word "failed" has a finality to it that doesn't seem appropriate for
a project that's still in progress.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

You don't "respect" me because I've pointed out where you've failed.
Instead
of taking responsibility for your failure, you blame the messenger.

P.S. This is what's wrong with the USA.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "None Given" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > > weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make, they'll
>> > > never
>> > be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
>> > weight
>> > in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate someone
>> > for
>> > reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
>> > yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight
>> > routine,
>>
>>
>> Is there something I missed? Why would anyone care about JC's
>> respect,
>> it's
>> obvious he has earned none.
>
> I used to respect him. He used to be really good at pointing out when
> people were making excuses and doing it all wrong. Now he attacks and
> insults even the people who are following low-carb to the letter and
> successfully losing weight. If he's going to attack even the people
> who
> are doing it right, then no, I don't respect him anymore. His comments
> are useless.

Maybe you should hold off on thinking you know about the subject until
you've had more success with it.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

They may be losing weight today, but will they be still losing tomorrow?

Maybe. Maybe if they're excited and happy about their progress thus
far, they'll keep pushing to the finish line. But you think they
shouldn't be excited and happy until they're already done.

Quoted message said:

Are you?

Slowly losing what I regained. When I get back to 150, then I'll
officially be losing again.

Quoted message said:

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

--
"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm not even talking about what you said to me, rather what you've said
to others who _are_ losing weight. I know I haven't succeeded, though
the word "failed" has a finality to it that doesn't seem appropriate
for
a project that's still in progress.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> You don't "respect" me because I've pointed out where you've failed.
> Instead
> of taking responsibility for your failure, you blame the messenger.
>
> P.S. This is what's wrong with the USA.
>
> --
> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
>
>
> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "None Given" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> > > weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make,
> >> > > they'll
> >> > > never
> >> > be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
> >> > weight
> >> > in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate
> >> > someone
> >> > for
> >> > reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
> >> > yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight
> >> > routine,
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there something I missed? Why would anyone care about JC's
> >> respect,
> >> it's
> >> obvious he has earned none.
> >
> > I used to respect him. He used to be really good at pointing out
> > when
> > people were making excuses and doing it all wrong. Now he attacks
> > and
> > insults even the people who are following low-carb to the letter and
> > successfully losing weight. If he's going to attack even the people
> > who
> > are doing it right, then no, I don't respect him anymore. His
> > comments
> > are useless.

Butch up.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The exercising more part is right on track. The eating less part is
where I keep failing. Last week I tried eating just one small meal a
day. That lasted until Friday. Some of the side effects bothered me
more than being fat does.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Try eating less and exercising more.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Nah. I've stalled on ~1500 calories a day. And you pulled that 5000
calorie figure right out of your ass.

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Many people won't lose weight, other that a few initial pounds of
> water,
> if
> they eat one meal per day of 5000 calories of meat and eggs.
>
> Is that why you've stalled?
>
> --
> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
>
>
> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > You're telling someone in induction that eating one meal a day of
> > only
> > meat and eggs won't help her lose weight. I'm saying it will. I'm
> > right and you're wrong. You won't take responsibility for the fact
> > that
> > you're wrong.
> >
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> It's quite telling that you can't see how taking responsibility is
> >> related
> >> to the topic at hand.
> >>
> >> --
> >> You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
> >>
> >>
> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> > Are you kidding? First off, taking responsibility isn't even
> >> > remotely
> >> > related to the topic at hand. Secondly, I fervently believe in
> >> > taking
> >> > responsibility for one's own actions. There's no other way to
> >> > live,
> >> > imo. I also believe in some other things that you seem to be
> >> > missing,
> >> > like taking credit for one's own _good_ decisions, and accepting
> >> > the
> >> > things you can't change while working on the things you can.
> >> > None
> >> > of
> >> > us
> >> > here who are fat can change what we did in the past. The past is
> >> > over
> >> > and done with, but you still attempt to use it against people,
> >> > people
> >> > who _are_ taking responsibility and doing something about their
> >> > weight.
> >> > You're the first to jump on someone for being fat, even someone
> >> > who
> >> > is
> >> > doing low-carb to the letter, and exercising, and actually
> >> > _losing
> >> > weight_. It's like no matter how much progress they make,
> >> > they'll
> >> > never
> >> > be worthy of respect in your opinion, because they needed to lose
> >> > weight
> >> > in the first place. I've never once seen you congratulate
> >> > someone
> >> > for
> >> > reaching goal, encourage someone who's doing well. Do you treat
> >> > yourself that harshly? If you do an extra set in your weight
> >> > routine,
> >> > do you berate yourself because it wasn't two sets? If you eat
> >> > nothing
> >> > for a week, do you beat yourself up because it wasn't two weeks?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I know you don't believe that taking responsibilty for one's own
> >> >> actions
> >> >> has
> >> >> a place in our society, but you should really try it. You might
> >> >> even
> >> >> reach
> >> >> some of your goals some day.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't expect you to understand, so don't catch a headache
> >> >> trying.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> >> hat. --
> >> >> MFW
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> > Yes. Among other things. The point is, I lost the first 50
> >> >> > pounds
> >> >> > while
> >> >> > eating as much as I wanted, and sherry is still in that stage.
> >> >> > Although, "as much as I wanted" was significantly less than it
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the high-carb days. I just wasn't hungry enough in the
> >> >> > absence
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > carbs
> >> >> > to eat enough to keep the weight on. Sherry IS eating less,
> >> >> > she
> >> >> > IS
> >> >> > exercising more, and she IS losing weight. I think your
> >> >> > problem
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > it isn't difficult for her yet, and you think it should be
> >> >> > difficult
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > she's doing it wrong. That's why you argued with me that it
> >> >> > wasn't
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > good idea to get rid of the high-carb foods in the house,
> >> >> > because
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > think weightloss should be as tortuously hard as possible.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> >> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> That's why you've never been able to break through your
> >> >> >> stall.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than
> >> >> >> hat. --
> >> >> >> MFW
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> >> > Eating less isn't as important in the early stages of
> >> >> >> > low-carb.
> >> >> >> > Sherry
> >> >> >> > probably doesn't have to force herself to eat less yet,
> >> >> >> > she's
> >> >> >> > probably
> >> >> >> > not hungry enough to eat too much if she's keeping her
> >> >> >> > carbs
> >> >> >> > low.
> >> >> >> > Plus,
> >> >> >> > she did say this was her one meal for the day anyway.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In article
> >> >> >> > <[email hidden]>,
> >> >> >> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> You don't need a buffet, you need to eat less.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber
> >> >> >> >> than
> >> >> >> >> hat. --
> >> >> >> >> MFW
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "sherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> >> >> > ...walked a mile. In my own shoes <G>. I haven't been
> >> >> >> >> > able
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > walk
> >> >> >> >> > for a
> >> >> >> >> > long time, and I didn't even get winded. My daughter
> >> >> >> >> > (13)
> >> >> >> >> > went
> >> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> >> > me,
> >> >> >> >> > and we each took one of our dogs. It was along a river,
> >> >> >> >> > slightly
> >> >> >> >> > rising
> >> >> >> >> > and falling so it wasn't just flat and boring. We plan
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > do
> >> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> >> > every
> >> >> >> >> > day
> >> >> >> >> > and I hope to get back up to 4 miles/day, which is what
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > used
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > do
> >> >> >> >> > with
> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > friend before an accident/serious injury sidelined me a
> >> >> >> >> > few
> >> >> >> >> > years
> >> >> >> >> > ago.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > It's day 12 and things are still going so well I'm
> >> >> >> >> > afraid I
> >> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> >> > wake
> >> >> >> >> > up.
> >> >> >> >> > Well, I probably will, it just hasn't happened yet 🙂.
> >> >> >> >> > Keeping
> >> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> > carb
> >> >> >> >> > count at 20 hasn't been difficult because I love most
> >> >> >> >> > vegetables,
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > love
> >> >> >> >> > meats, I love being able to put butter on my vegetables,
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > love
> >> >> >> >> > salads...well, you get the idea. This way of eating is
> >> >> >> >> > fitting
> >> >> >> >> > me
> >> >> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > glove.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I'd mentioned that my husband can put his arms all the
> >> >> >> >> > way
> >> >> >> >> > around
> >> >> >> >> > me.
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > can also bend down and tie my shoes without having to
> >> >> >> >> > hold
> >> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> > breath.
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > can encircle my wrist with my hand (not on the same
> >> >> >> >> > arm -
> >> >> >> >> > lol).
> >> >> >> >> > All
> >> >> >> >> > things
> >> >> >> >> > that are new since I started LC eating.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Last thing I notice, and it may be related to how I'm
> >> >> >> >> > eating,
> >> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> > may
> >> >> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> >> > related to my better frame of mind, but I'm sleeping
> >> >> >> >> > like a
> >> >> >> >> > rock.
> >> >> >> >> > Sleep
> >> >> >> >> > has been fitful with lots of tossing and turning for
> >> >> >> >> > years
> >> >> >> >> > now,
> >> >> >> >> > until
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > last week or more. Now I sleep so soundly the night
> >> >> >> >> > zips
> >> >> >> >> > by
> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> > about 3
> >> >> >> >> > minutes <G>.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I am SO GLAD to finally have taken this step, Saturday
> >> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> > 14-day
> >> >> >> >> > celebration with my husband. We're going to our
> >> >> >> >> > favorite
> >> >> >> >> > date
> >> >> >> >> > place
> >> >> >> >> > when
> >> >> >> >> > he gets off work in the morning, our friendly local
> >> >> >> >> > casino.
> >> >> >> >> > We
> >> >> >> >> > go
> >> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > MASSIVE breakfast buffet (and then we don't have to eat
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > rest
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > day) and then we each play $20 in nickels in the slot
> >> >> >> >> > machines.
> >> >> >> >> > Cheap
> >> >> >> >> > date
> >> >> >> >> > but so much fun. The buffet has nice big breakfast
> >> >> >> >> > steaks,
> >> >> >> >> > bacon,
> >> >> >> >> > poached
> >> >> >> >> > eggs, all sorts of things I can eat. No vegetables
> >> >> >> >> > (that I
> >> >> >> >> > recall)
> >> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> >> > I'll fill up on those tomorrow. I always loaded up with
> >> >> >> >> > french
> >> >> >> >> > toast
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > corned beef hash and cheese blintzes (sp?) in the past -
> >> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> > my
> >> >> >> >> > "old
> >> >> >> >> > life".
> >> >> >> >> > This will not only be a celebration but it will be a
> >> >> >> >> > test
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > I'm
> >> >> >> >> > determined to pass it 🙂.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Anyway...thanks for listening!
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Sherry
> >> >> >> >> > 360/?/195