time-trial chops

Waiting with bated breath for Benjo.

Quoted message said:

Of course, every year when the course is revealed, there are arguments
as to whether courses favor climbers or TT specialists.
Most of the pure climbers weren't top top TT riders (Van Impe,
Bahamontes) but they weren't too shabby in any area. The cliche is that
you gain seconds in the TTs but lose minutes on the climbs, and surely
there have been years that the course took advantage of this.

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Waiting with bated breath for Benjo.

Quoted message said:

Of course, every year when the course is revealed, there are arguments
as to whether courses favor climbers or TT specialists.
Most of the pure climbers weren't top top TT riders (Van Impe,
Bahamontes) but they weren't too shabby in any area. The cliche is that
you gain seconds in the TTs but lose minutes on the climbs, and surely
there have been years that the course took advantage of this.

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

I knew you all would come through for me -- thanks.

So, I'll refine the question: Who, among the winners and
always-a-bridesmaids (ahem, Poulidor), were the worst TTers?
Relatively speaking, of course.

Anyone tempted to discourse upon the history of the time trial
in the century(ies) of the Tour should not hold back, either;
this stuff is fascinating. And it'll keep us amused until they
announce next year's course.

Not really a TdF-only reader, but plays one on tv,

meg

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Meg Worley _._ [email hidden] _._ Comparatively Literate

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

I knew you all would come through for me -- thanks.

So, I'll refine the question: Who, among the winners and
always-a-bridesmaids (ahem, Poulidor), were the worst TTers?
Relatively speaking, of course.

Anyone tempted to discourse upon the history of the time trial
in the century(ies) of the Tour should not hold back, either;
this stuff is fascinating. And it'll keep us amused until they
announce next year's course.

Not really a TdF-only reader, but plays one on tv,

meg

--

Meg Worley _._ [email hidden] _._ Comparatively Literate

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

I knew you all would come through for me -- thanks.

So, I'll refine the question: Who, among the winners and
always-a-bridesmaids (ahem, Poulidor), were the worst TTers?
Relatively speaking, of course.

Anyone tempted to discourse upon the history of the time trial
in the century(ies) of the Tour should not hold back, either;
this stuff is fascinating. And it'll keep us amused until they
announce next year's course.

Not really a TdF-only reader, but plays one on tv,

meg

--

Meg Worley _._ [email hidden] _._ Comparatively Literate

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

I knew you all would come through for me -- thanks.

So, I'll refine the question: Who, among the winners and
always-a-bridesmaids (ahem, Poulidor), were the worst TTers?
Relatively speaking, of course.

Anyone tempted to discourse upon the history of the time trial
in the century(ies) of the Tour should not hold back, either;
this stuff is fascinating. And it'll keep us amused until they
announce next year's course.

Not really a TdF-only reader, but plays one on tv,

meg

--

Meg Worley _._ [email hidden] _._ Comparatively Literate

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

I knew you all would come through for me -- thanks.

So, I'll refine the question: Who, among the winners and
always-a-bridesmaids (ahem, Poulidor), were the worst TTers?
Relatively speaking, of course.

Anyone tempted to discourse upon the history of the time trial
in the century(ies) of the Tour should not hold back, either;
this stuff is fascinating. And it'll keep us amused until they
announce next year's course.

Not really a TdF-only reader, but plays one on tv,

meg

--

Meg Worley _._ [email hidden] _._ Comparatively Literate

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

I knew you all would come through for me -- thanks.

So, I'll refine the question: Who, among the winners and
always-a-bridesmaids (ahem, Poulidor), were the worst TTers?
Relatively speaking, of course.

Anyone tempted to discourse upon the history of the time trial
in the century(ies) of the Tour should not hold back, either;
this stuff is fascinating. And it'll keep us amused until they
announce next year's course.

Not really a TdF-only reader, but plays one on tv,

meg

--

Meg Worley _._ [email hidden] _._ Comparatively Literate

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

I knew you all would come through for me -- thanks.

So, I'll refine the question: Who, among the winners and
always-a-bridesmaids (ahem, Poulidor), were the worst TTers?
Relatively speaking, of course.

Anyone tempted to discourse upon the history of the time trial
in the century(ies) of the Tour should not hold back, either;
this stuff is fascinating. And it'll keep us amused until they
announce next year's course.

Not really a TdF-only reader, but plays one on tv,

meg

--

Meg Worley _._ [email hidden] _._ Comparatively Literate

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Delgado wasn't too hot against the clock in 1989 either (clue=virtual
win).

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Delgado wasn't too hot against the clock in 1989 either (clue=virtual
win).

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Delgado wasn't too hot against the clock in 1989 either (clue=virtual
win).

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Delgado wasn't too hot against the clock in 1989 either (clue=virtual
win).

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Delgado wasn't too hot against the clock in 1989 either (clue=virtual
win).

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Delgado wasn't too hot against the clock in 1989 either (clue=virtual
win).

Keith said:

Yes and Delgado in 1988 and Zoetemelk to a lesser extent too in 1980.
But you're right they were decent during the ITTs, especially the last
one !

Delgado wasn't too hot against the clock in 1989 either (clue=virtual
win).

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Quoted message said:

Meg Worley said:

A pal and I were trying to remember and failing: Are there any
TdF winners who were not that good as time-trialers? The history
section of letour.com doesn't specify which stages were ITT, so
I can't even figure it out on my own (although that sure beats
getting work done this afternoon).

Any of you historians able to help us out here?

Rage away,

meg

Waiting with bated breath for Benjo.
Of course, every year when the course is revealed, there are arguments as
to whether courses favor climbers or TT specialists.
Most of the pure climbers weren't top top TT riders (Van Impe, Bahamontes)
but they weren't too shabby in any area. The cliche is that you gain
seconds in the TTs but lose minutes on the climbs, and surely there have
been years that the course took advantage of this.

The worst TT by the winner of the Tour is Gino Bartali's in 1948: 28th at
11'59". A year later he proved he could do better and finished second, but
still at 7'02". Pantani's was 181th in 1998, but in the prologue and he lost
only 48". Walkowiak (24th in 1956) and Aimar (18th in 1966) were also doing
much worse than non-specialists as Robic, Bahamontes, Pingeon, Van Impe
(winner of the TT in 1975), Delgado, etc.

Benjo

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Quoted message said:

Meg Worley said:

A pal and I were trying to remember and failing: Are there any
TdF winners who were not that good as time-trialers? The history
section of letour.com doesn't specify which stages were ITT, so
I can't even figure it out on my own (although that sure beats
getting work done this afternoon).

Any of you historians able to help us out here?

Rage away,

meg

Waiting with bated breath for Benjo.
Of course, every year when the course is revealed, there are arguments as
to whether courses favor climbers or TT specialists.
Most of the pure climbers weren't top top TT riders (Van Impe, Bahamontes)
but they weren't too shabby in any area. The cliche is that you gain
seconds in the TTs but lose minutes on the climbs, and surely there have
been years that the course took advantage of this.

The worst TT by the winner of the Tour is Gino Bartali's in 1948: 28th at
11'59". A year later he proved he could do better and finished second, but
still at 7'02". Pantani's was 181th in 1998, but in the prologue and he lost
only 48". Walkowiak (24th in 1956) and Aimar (18th in 1966) were also doing
much worse than non-specialists as Robic, Bahamontes, Pingeon, Van Impe
(winner of the TT in 1975), Delgado, etc.

Benjo

"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:yJeFe.8238$ab2.4886@trndny07...

Quoted message said:

Meg Worley said:

A pal and I were trying to remember and failing: Are there any
TdF winners who were not that good as time-trialers? The history
section of letour.com doesn't specify which stages were ITT, so
I can't even figure it out on my own (although that sure beats
getting work done this afternoon).

Any of you historians able to help us out here?

Rage away,

meg

Waiting with bated breath for Benjo.
Of course, every year when the course is revealed, there are arguments as
to whether courses favor climbers or TT specialists.
Most of the pure climbers weren't top top TT riders (Van Impe, Bahamontes)
but they weren't too shabby in any area. The cliche is that you gain
seconds in the TTs but lose minutes on the climbs, and surely there have
been years that the course took advantage of this.

The worst TT by the winner of the Tour is Gino Bartali's in 1948: 28th at
11'59". A year later he proved he could do better and finished second, but
still at 7'02". Pantani's was 181th in 1998, but in the prologue and he lost
only 48". Walkowiak (24th in 1956) and Aimar (18th in 1966) were also doing
much worse than non-specialists as Robic, Bahamontes, Pingeon, Van Impe
(winner of the TT in 1975), Delgado, etc.

Benjo

"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:yJeFe.8238$ab2.4886@trndny07...

Quoted message said:

Meg Worley said:

A pal and I were trying to remember and failing: Are there any
TdF winners who were not that good as time-trialers? The history
section of letour.com doesn't specify which stages were ITT, so
I can't even figure it out on my own (although that sure beats
getting work done this afternoon).

Any of you historians able to help us out here?

Rage away,

meg

Waiting with bated breath for Benjo.
Of course, every year when the course is revealed, there are arguments as
to whether courses favor climbers or TT specialists.
Most of the pure climbers weren't top top TT riders (Van Impe, Bahamontes)
but they weren't too shabby in any area. The cliche is that you gain
seconds in the TTs but lose minutes on the climbs, and surely there have
been years that the course took advantage of this.

The worst TT by the winner of the Tour is Gino Bartali's in 1948: 28th at
11'59". A year later he proved he could do better and finished second, but
still at 7'02". Pantani's was 181th in 1998, but in the prologue and he lost
only 48". Walkowiak (24th in 1956) and Aimar (18th in 1966) were also doing
much worse than non-specialists as Robic, Bahamontes, Pingeon, Van Impe
(winner of the TT in 1975), Delgado, etc.

Benjo