the contrast!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general population
has regarding cyclists.

Quoted message said:

SO because people say that about cyclists, we aren't allowed to have
opinions on everyone else, because we look so ridiculous? How does
this make any kind of sense?

Its a general position that anyone should take. If you don't want to be
labled as social misfit and outcast then you shouldn't lable other people
either. I suppose its possible that you want to embrace the idea that you
are a social misfit and outcast.

--
Bill

Mon, 16 May 2005 16:19:11 -0400, <[email hidden]>,

Peter Cole said:

I don't know, I love Halloween, I like the idea of a lot of adults
running around in costumes, I think the world needs more goobers and
more cyclists. I may not be a goober, but I'll defend to the death your
right to be one!

I too enjoy Halloween but I don't think of its participants as dweebs,
goobers or even pagans.

The American Civil War enactors and Wild West posers I do think of as
dweebs along with the sports team "fantasy camps"

Nor do I care much about the geek culture associated with D&D, Star
Trek or LOTR. I'm even hard on my game playing friend and spare no
quarter when openly rebuking their pointless pastimes. They've learned
to not broach the subject knowing I've no interest in gaming.

As Marlene pointed out, they mostly seem to be pasty faced fluffy
basement dwellers so I don't givafuk what they think about my
veloraptor. The Dinosaurs Against Fossil Fuels is a
political/ecological statement. I know I'm not a dinosaur or a mimic.
--
zk

In article <[email hidden]>,

Zoot Katz said:

Mon, 16 May 2005 16:19:11 -0400, <[email hidden]>,

Peter Cole said:

I don't know, I love Halloween, I like the idea of a lot of adults
running around in costumes, I think the world needs more goobers and
more cyclists. I may not be a goober, but I'll defend to the death your
right to be one!

I too enjoy Halloween but I don't think of its participants as dweebs,
goobers or even pagans.

The American Civil War enactors and Wild West posers I do think of as
dweebs along with the sports team "fantasy camps"

The ultimate extreme of that is the Elvis impersonators.
I gather even the other rock star tribute artists can't
stand 'em because they're always 'on', even when they're
not performing.

cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Zoot Katz <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The American Civil War enactors and Wild West posers I do think of as
dweebs along with the sports team "fantasy camps"

The ultimate extreme of that is the Elvis impersonators.
I gather even the other rock star tribute artists can't
stand 'em because they're always 'on', even when they're
not performing.

I think the world would be a much poorer place without Elvis impersonators.

Quoted message said:

A goober is like a cracker. IOW just another yokel.

The meaning of "cracker" varies with the person using the term. In
Georgia and North Florida a white man might refer to himself as a
cracker, meaning that he is a native Southerner (or Southron) of a
decidedly rural bent. Some segments of society use the term as a
racial epithet.

If I recall correctly, there was a minor league baseball team in
Atlanta that called itself the Georgia Crackers.

Peter Cole said:

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Zoot Katz <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The American Civil War enactors and Wild West posers I do think of as
dweebs along with the sports team "fantasy camps"

The ultimate extreme of that is the Elvis impersonators.
I gather even the other rock star tribute artists can't
stand 'em because they're always 'on', even when they're
not performing.

I think the world would be a much poorer place without Elvis impersonators.

The best are the Elvis conventions. That way they're all in the same place, and
it is a place I am not.

Worse than mimes. True, both are necessary to a balanced universe. Same with
stinging jellyfish, best in a place I am not.

Ron

Quoted message said:

William McHale said:

Quoted message said:

>
>And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general population
>has regarding cyclists.

Quoted message said:

SO because people say that about cyclists, we aren't allowed to have
opinions on everyone else, because we look so ridiculous? How does
this make any kind of sense?

Its a general position that anyone should take. If you don't want to be
labled as social misfit and outcast then you shouldn't lable other people
either. I suppose its possible that you want to embrace the idea that you
are a social misfit and outcast.

Call it labeling if you want, that's just my take on it and you'll
just have to accept it.

Huh? No, nobody has to accept it. They can reject it just as vigorously as you
reject dress up geeks or reinactors or whoever the hell it was you were griping
about.

Ron

Zoot Katz said:

Mon, 16 May 2005 16:19:11 -0400, <[email hidden]>,
Peter Cole <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know, I love Halloween, I like the idea of a lot of adults
running around in costumes, I think the world needs more goobers and
more cyclists. I may not be a goober, but I'll defend to the death your
right to be one!

Quoted message said:

I too enjoy Halloween but I don't think of its participants as dweebs,
goobers or even pagans.

Quoted message said:

The American Civil War enactors and Wild West posers I do think of as
dweebs along with the sports team "fantasy camps"

Well in that case, I hope don't wear any cycling team jeresy's or ever
imagine while you are finishing up a ride that you have just won the
Tour de France otherwise you are doing the exact same thing as the
guys who go to fantasy camps.

Quoted message said:

Nor do I care much about the geek culture associated with D&D, Star
Trek or LOTR. I'm even hard on my game playing friend and spare no
quarter when openly rebuking their pointless pastimes. They've learned
to not broach the subject knowing I've no interest in gaming.

No one is asking you to care about geek culture, however in general a
person shouldn't be derisive of other people's pastimes and passions. You
may see no point in them but I assure you the people who participate in them
do. And frankly any "friend" of mine who started dissing any of my
activities would quickly be labled an a** and would not be in the position
to call themselves my friend any longer.

Quoted message said:

As Marlene pointed out, they mostly seem to be pasty faced fluffy
basement dwellers so I don't givafuk what they think about my
veloraptor. The Dinosaurs Against Fossil Fuels is a
political/ecological statement. I know I'm not a dinosaur or a mimic.

Well I am glad you don't care because most of them probably don't even think
of you at all.

--
Bill

RonSonic said:

Quoted message said:

William McHale said:

[email hidden] wrote:
>>
>> And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general
>> population has regarding cyclists.

> SO because people say that about cyclists, we aren't allowed to
> have opinions on everyone else, because we look so ridiculous? How
> does this make any kind of sense?

Its a general position that anyone should take. If you don't want
to be labled as social misfit and outcast then you shouldn't lable
other people either. I suppose its possible that you want to
embrace the idea that you are a social misfit and outcast.

Call it labeling if you want, that's just my take on it and you'll
just have to accept it.

Huh? No, nobody has to accept it. They can reject it just as
vigorously as you reject dress up geeks or reinactors or whoever the
hell it was you were griping about.

I'd guess that no one KIDS (makes good-natured fun of) geeks and nerds and
dweebs than they do themselves.

The difference is in the spirit of the derision; in this case it was a tad
mean and judgmental (IIRC -- long expired).

Not a huge deal.

Helmeted [censored] Advises Nazis to Grease Pedal Tapers; film at 11...

17 May 2005 07:52:40 -0700,
<[email hidden]>,

Olebiker said:

Quoted message said:

A goober is like a cracker. IOW just another yokel.

The meaning of "cracker" varies with the person using the term. In
Georgia and North Florida a white man might refer to himself as a
cracker, meaning that he is a native Southerner (or Southron) of a
decidedly rural bent.

IOW, a goober or yokel unless you reserve yokel for more northern
goobers. Crackers are definitely southern goobers.
--
zk

Tue, 17 May 2005 15:03:15 GMT, <[email hidden]>,

William McHale said:

Quoted message said:

The American Civil War enactors and Wild West posers I do think of as
dweebs along with the sports team "fantasy camps"

Well in that case, I hope don't wear any cycling team jeresy's or ever
imagine while you are finishing up a ride that you have just won the
Tour de France otherwise you are doing the exact same thing as the
guys who go to fantasy camps.

I don't even own any team kit. I do wear jerseys, shorts, shoes and
gloves but never ride thinking I'm somebody else in a place I'm not.
I outgrew that before age 12. The dweebs haven't yet.
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

Tue, 17 May 2005 15:03:15 GMT, <[email hidden]>,
William McHale <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The American Civil War enactors and Wild West posers I do think of as
dweebs along with the sports team "fantasy camps"

Well in that case, I hope don't wear any cycling team jeresy's or ever
imagine while you are finishing up a ride that you have just won the
Tour de France otherwise you are doing the exact same thing as the
guys who go to fantasy camps.

Quoted message said:

I don't even own any team kit. I do wear jerseys, shorts, shoes and
gloves but never ride thinking I'm somebody else in a place I'm not.
I outgrew that before age 12. The dweebs haven't yet.

Just keep in mind that in general it is those people with an interiour
fantasy life, the ones who can dream about what might have been who are the
people that drive culture. It is the dweebs who are in large part responsible
for arts and literature, even for a fair bit of engineering. You might
consider them dweebs; personally I wouldn't want to live in a world without
them.

--
Bill

Bill Sornson said:

RonSonic said:

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:30:24 GMT, William McHale
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> [email hidden] wrote:
>>>
>>> And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general
>>> population has regarding cyclists.
>
>> SO because people say that about cyclists, we aren't allowed to
>> have opinions on everyone else, because we look so ridiculous? How
>> does this make any kind of sense?
>
> Its a general position that anyone should take. If you don't want
> to be labled as social misfit and outcast then you shouldn't lable
> other people either. I suppose its possible that you want to
> embrace the idea that you are a social misfit and outcast.

Call it labeling if you want, that's just my take on it and you'll
just have to accept it.

Huh? No, nobody has to accept it. They can reject it just as
vigorously as you reject dress up geeks or reinactors or whoever the
hell it was you were griping about.

I'd guess that no one KIDS (makes good-natured fun of) geeks and nerds and
dweebs than they do themselves.

The difference is in the spirit of the derision; in this case it was a tad
mean and judgmental (IIRC -- long expired).

Not a huge deal.

Helmeted [censored] Advises Nazis to Grease Pedal Tapers; film at 11...

hey, let's move on to something else as a diversion. Did you all know
that I'm an atheist and don't believe there is a god?

Quoted message said:

hey, let's move on to something else as a diversion. Did you all know
that I'm an atheist and don't believe there is a god?

{Far away gaze} Gee, remember when we were just dissing LOTR geeks?

Nostalgic Bill

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

hey, let's move on to something else as a diversion. Did you all know
that I'm an atheist and don't believe there is a god?

Kewl! Being an atheist that is.

Unless you count following the way of the bike as religion.

--
'To you I'm an atheist.
to god I'm a member
of the loyal opposition.' -woody allen

In article <[email hidden]>,

William McHale said:

Just keep in mind that in general it is those people with an interiour
fantasy life, the ones who can dream about what might have been who are the
people that drive culture. It is the dweebs who are in large part responsible
for arts and literature, even for a fair bit of engineering. You might
consider them dweebs; personally I wouldn't want to live in a world without
them.

I wonder how different the world would be
without morris dancing.

cheers,
Tom

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:29:41 -0700, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

wrote in message : said:

I wonder how different the world would be
without morris dancing.

Morris who?

Guy
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Tue, 17 May 2005 17:44:24 GMT, <[email hidden]>,

William McHale said:

Quoted message said:

I don't even own any team kit. I do wear jerseys, shorts, shoes and
gloves but never ride thinking I'm somebody else in a place I'm not.
I outgrew that before age 12. The dweebs haven't yet.

Just keep in mind that in general it is those people with an interiour
fantasy life, the ones who can dream about what might have been who are the
people that drive culture. It is the dweebs who are in large part responsible
for arts and literature, even for a fair bit of engineering. You might
consider them dweebs; personally I wouldn't want to live in a world without
them.

Get back to reality and stick to the point.

Neither you nor I are going to become great artists by dressing up
like Salvador Dali. You aren't going to re-invent quantum physics
simply because you might mimic Einstein's idiosyncrasies. I'll never
design a rocket just by carrying a slide rule and pocket protector.
I might compose an opera but not by pretending to be Mozart.
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

Tue, 17 May 2005 17:44:24 GMT, <[email hidden]>,
William McHale <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't even own any team kit. I do wear jerseys, shorts, shoes and
gloves but never ride thinking I'm somebody else in a place I'm not.
I outgrew that before age 12. The dweebs haven't yet.

Just keep in mind that in general it is those people with an interiour
fantasy life, the ones who can dream about what might have been who are the
people that drive culture. It is the dweebs who are in large part responsible
for arts and literature, even for a fair bit of engineering. You might
consider them dweebs; personally I wouldn't want to live in a world without
them.

Quoted message said:

Get back to reality and stick to the point.

Quoted message said:

Neither you nor I are going to become great artists by dressing up
like Salvador Dali. You aren't going to re-invent quantum physics
simply because you might mimic Einstein's idiosyncrasies. I'll never
design a rocket just by carrying a slide rule and pocket protector.
I might compose an opera but not by pretending to be Mozart.

No I am not going to do those things, but there is no telling what I will do
if I let my imagination run free. Those who are worried that others will
think they are dweebs or goobers are not the ones who become the Einsteins
or the Salvador Dali.

--
Bill

Mark Mitchell said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>
> Using the term goober and claiming that it is what gets them out of
> their parent's basement is not a sign of tolerance. Its painting them
> as being stereotypically non-functional people. As far as the the
> original poster knows these people might have careers, own their own
> homes and have families to go home to, just like most bike riders.
> Remember that many Americans view the original poster viewed them.

Actually, I would wager that many of those folks probably make fairly
hefty money. Have you ever priced chainmail? It's not mass-produced.
All hand-made by serious craftsmen who have put a lot of time and effort
into learning how.

The same holds true for any kind of (modern) medieval armor. Hell,
whatever they were using that was made of metal costs the world.

The textiles in my experience are made at home, from relatively
inexpensive materials.

Bottom line, I would be willing to bet that people who are seriously into
medieval history re-enactments have a hobby that's *far* more expensive
than the vast majority of cyclists.

Mark

Well, what difference does itmake how expensive it is? Cocaine is an
expensive habit too. Money doesn't make it more worthy. But if that's how
they spend their money, that's up to them. Seriously, though, it had to be
seen to be believed. IT's the Goobification of society.

I mentioned the financial outlay to respond to your characterization of
no life losers living in their parents' basement.

And here you go again, comparing it to a cocaine addiction, saying it's
not worthy. This strikes me as something other than 'bemusedly tolerant'.

What I find distasteful is your making a value judgement about how worthy
their hobby is, based on whether it's something you find interesting or
not.

Personally, I find dog shows absolutely ridiculous. 3,000 watt car
stereos, to my mind, are an absolute waste of money. But, to each their
own.

Mark

So then, to each his own should apply to me as well. If that's my take
on it, then so be it. You don't have to agree or approve. I didn't
compare it to cocaine addiction. I meant in terms of money- being
expensive doesn't make an activity necessarily better. In fact, i
think it's more like a cult, judging from the reactions I get. BUt
like you said, to each their own.