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Are you sure you're not thinking of the Range Rover? I was
thinking of things like the Series 1 and Series 2 LR - you
know, the ones genuinely designed for off-road use.

The Range Rover was designed for serious off road use and the early ones
were probably better at it than the cart sprung Land Rovers.
Unfortunately as they drifted up market then became less and less
attractive to the people they were originally aimed at. Nowadays ISTM
that there is little to distinguish them from the rest of the Chelsea
Tractors.

apart from the air suspension which is great for adjusting ride height
and the HDC, low ratio box, etc. which I think have all carried through
to the latest model

Not that any of it ever gets used on the school run.

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Darren
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I just
fancy getting wet and muddy in a car :-)

I'm sure there are web sites that cater for that sort of thing :-)

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Darren
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In article <[email hidden]>,
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I just
fancy getting wet and muddy in a car :-)

I'm sure there are web sites that cater for that sort of thing :-)

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Darren
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In article <[email hidden]>,
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I just
fancy getting wet and muddy in a car :-)

I'm sure there are web sites that cater for that sort of thing :-)

<g>
# I love to go a-googling...

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All the best to everyone in 2005
- Fran

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
wonderful person Roger <[email hidden]> said

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from Fran <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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Are you sure you're not thinking of the Range Rover? I was
thinking of things like the Series 1 and Series 2 LR - you
know, the ones genuinely designed for off-road use.

The Range Rover was designed for serious off road use and the early ones
were probably better at it than the cart sprung Land Rovers.
Unfortunately as they drifted up market then became less and less
attractive to the people they were originally aimed at. Nowadays ISTM
that there is little to distinguish them from the rest of the Chelsea
Tractors.

They (well, the model prior to this one) are still pretty handy
off-road, once you take the front spoiler off (else the landscape will
do it for you). They do lack fully locking diffs and suchlike, but
they'll go places you really wouldn't want to go .. iffin' you don't
mind scratching the metallic paint, denting the Al door panels, and
getting mud all over the leather seats. They don't hose out as easily as
the mark1 RR used to. 8>. Nor can you fix them with a lump hammer and a
bit to baler twine any more - a degree in Electronics & Computer Science
is a must ...

Of course a Toyota Landcruiser will do just about as well. An X5 or
ML320 won't.

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GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

Rooney <[email hidden]> writes

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No reason at all why country parks shouldn't get wheelchair access -
but *not* gravel paths - whose bright idea was that? Not someone who's
ever used a wheelchair!

Not sure, but it is controlled by Tameside Council and supervised by
rangers, some volunteers..
The paths are compacted gravel, and for the pneumatic tyred electric
carts it would be ok, but the 'chairs 9 years ago were rigid suspension.

I don't see any of these vehicles on the path, maybe they are
prohibited, but some parts would be quite exciting, can't wait to have a
go if my time comes. ;-)
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Gordon Harris

Rooney <[email hidden]> writes

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Yes - I just assumed Defender, forgetting about the Disco and
Freeloader. I don't know why they don't make a few minor adjustments
to the Defender - comfy seats would be a good start, and proper locks!

Daughter in California has the Freelander, bought it to get us around
while we were staying there. It is not the best vehicle for fast
freeways, nor the Pacific Coast road, which twists and turns for at
least 100 miles!
Fabulous scenery, but a pain to be sliding around on the rear bench
seat.
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Gordon Harris

Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> writes

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Any pointers for tarmac paths in attractive settings within an hour's
drive from Crewe would be appreciated...

Until you have an involvement with people who have these needs it is
very difficult to appreciate how hard it is for them to do things we
take for granted.

I know. I don't know how far from Crewe, but what about the Manifold
Valley area where the disused railway line is now tarmac, I'm pretty
sure.

Some of the Tissington Trail is also tarmac, but as we found out to our
cost last summer, there are likely to be many cyclists passing.
A nuisance for walkers, but they would give way to a motorised trolley.
:-)
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Gordon Harris

Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> writes

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Yes, we know of a few but finding a few more would give him some extra
interest. Several reservoirs near here have good tarmac access roads so
when the weather improves he will hopefully get out to see a few new
areas.

Carsington has good paved areas!
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Gordon Harris

Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> writes

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In article <[email hidden]>, W. D. Grey
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In article <[email hidden]>, Fran
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Agreed wholeheartedly. PC is guaranteed to make me see red.
If I join a committee I expect to see a chairman. It's a job
description, not a reflection on the post holder. Bring back
golliwogs and Little Black Sambo, say I. Either that or ban
Goldilocks since she was so appallingly caucasian...

Not forgetting the Black and White Minstrels - another victim of PC.

Aye, but it were cr*p so I was glad when it went!

Me mam thowt it were great!
I remember her when a black performer was on a show saying "Why do they
have so many black singers/dancers on, aren't there enough white ones"?

OUCH!
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Gordon Harris

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> writes

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Any pointers for tarmac paths in attractive settings within an hour's
drive from Crewe would be appreciated...

Until you have an involvement with people who have these needs it is
very difficult to appreciate how hard it is for them to do things we
take for granted.

I know. I don't know how far from Crewe, but what about the Manifold
Valley area where the disused railway line is now tarmac, I'm pretty
sure.

It is. Did it last Sunday, or at least the section from Calston (sp?)
up to Thor's cave while on a circuit around Dovedale. It's generally
well surfaced, but I found it to be tedious as one mile of tree-lined
valley looked very like another. At least it wasn't knee deep in mud
though, and there was a very nice looking tea rooms (which I was running
too late to stop at :-( )

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Some of the Tissington Trail is also tarmac, but as we found out to our
cost last summer, there are likely to be many cyclists passing.

likewise on the manifold valley, though I found if you refuse to move,
they generally have to swerve!

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Darren
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from GSV Three Minds in a Can <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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They (well, the model prior to this one) are still pretty handy
off-road, once you take the front spoiler off (else the landscape will
do it for you). They do lack fully locking diffs and suchlike, but
they'll go places you really wouldn't want to go .. iffin' you don't
mind scratching the metallic paint, denting the Al door panels, and
getting mud all over the leather seats. They don't hose out as easily as
the mark1 RR used to. 8>. Nor can you fix them with a lump hammer and a
bit to baler twine any more - a degree in Electronics & Computer Science
is a must ...

The great advantage the first Range Rover had over the Series Land Rover
was the permanent 4 wheel drive and the Locking central Diff. The lack
of a central diff on the Land Rover has led to a number of accidents
over the years as it compromises the ability to go round corners. ISTR
that some of the modern clones with optional 4 wheel drive are still
equipped with the dastardly ditch compass.

--
Roger Chapman

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

the leather seats.

Yes - much as I like leather seats, I wouldn't want them in a vehicle
that was being used for muddy walkers, dogs, kids covered in horse,
etc.

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the leather seats.

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Yes - much as I like leather seats, I wouldn't want them in a vehicle
that was being used for muddy walkers, dogs, kids covered in horse,
etc.

In the early days of motoring when open cars were the norm so were
leather seats. Cloth seats are cheaper but far less resistant to water
than leather.

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Roger Chapman

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:29:18 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

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from Rooney <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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the leather seats.

Quoted message said:

Yes - much as I like leather seats, I wouldn't want them in a vehicle
that was being used for muddy walkers, dogs, kids covered in horse,
etc.

In the early days of motoring when open cars were the norm so were
leather seats. Cloth seats are cheaper but far less resistant to water
than leather.

I imagine they are hard-wearing too, but probably need specialist
cleaning?

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Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
wonderful person Rooney <[email hidden]> said

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GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

the leather seats.

Yes - much as I like leather seats, I wouldn't want them in a vehicle
that was being used for muddy walkers, dogs, kids covered in horse,
etc.

True, but cloth is worse and vinyl (remember that, or are you too
young?) is not an option these days. Actually leather works pretty well
for cows and horses. A =proper= off-road vehicle wouldn't have seat
covers at all .. heck, why bother with seats. 8>.

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GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
wonderful person Rooney <[email hidden]> said

Quoted message said:

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

the leather seats.

Yes - much as I like leather seats, I wouldn't want them in a vehicle
that was being used for muddy walkers, dogs, kids covered in horse,
etc.

True, but cloth is worse and vinyl (remember that, or are you too
young?) is not an option these days. Actually leather works pretty well
for cows and horses. A =proper= off-road vehicle wouldn't have seat
covers at all .. heck, why bother with seats. 8>.

I remember a kind of fake leather - was that vinyl? But I always
assumed that leather would require special care?

Cloth varies - the last two cars have been murder to clean out. Just
like some clothes pick up every bit of [censored], so did those seats.
This one is much easier - the upholstery doesn't gather bits so
easily, and has been treated too with some proprietary film that seems
to make a difference. I'm also a bit more careful - coke is banned!

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in fact all Land Rovers (except the Freelander which is just OK) are superb
off road.

<wonders if it is time to tell his "I pulled a Discovery out of a quagmire
with my Freelander" story>

<decides not to>

<still looks smug>

Cheers

Blippie
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Ten minutes of this rain will do more good in half an hour than a fortnight
of ordinary rain in a month.

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in fact all Land Rovers (except the Freelander which is just OK) are superb
off road.

<wonders if it is time to tell his "I pulled a Discovery out of a quagmire
with my Freelander" story>

<decides not to>

<still looks smug>

Cheers

Blippie
--
Ten minutes of this rain will do more good in half an hour than a fortnight
of ordinary rain in a month.

Roger <[email hidden]> writes

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The great advantage the first Range Rover had over the Series Land Rover
was the permanent 4 wheel drive and the Locking central Diff. The lack
of a central diff on the Land Rover has led to a number of accidents
over the years as it compromises the ability to go round corners. ISTR
that some of the modern clones with optional 4 wheel drive are still
equipped with the dastardly ditch compass.

I drove a Land Rover for a short time. I was electrician on RAF
airfield equipment, and the duty driver liked to play Lectric and I
liked to drive, so we swapped jobs sometimes. I managed to drive
straight over a 2ft wide drainage channel one dark night and there was a
hell of a bump, but no damage to the Rover.

The amateur electrician nearly electrocuted himself when he picked up a
metal Niphan plug and socket supplying the chain of runway sodiums. The
live wire had detached itself and was touching the improperly earthed
case. He was standing in wet grass and he did a bit of a war dance
before muscle spasms threw him on his back and released his grip. :-)

Then we decided to call the Tower and get the power switched off.
--
Gordon Harris