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Dominic Sexton contained the following:

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Any pointers for tarmac paths in attractive settings within an hour's
drive from Crewe would be appreciated...

Apedale Country park have added a tarmac section leading up to the
winding gear monument.
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/live/welcome.asp?id=4572

It's a high spot but not that inspiring in the winter.

There is also a heritage centre.
http://www.apedale.heritage.cwc.net/

You can walk it, but with a wheel chair you be best driving round to it

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Dominic Sexton said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Rooney
<[email hidden]> writes

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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:18:27 GMT, "druidh" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Fran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> [email hidden] said...
>> That's right. The newer All Terrain Buggies look quite good though.
>>
> No doubt some are - the ones made by Land Rover, for instance;
> however I suspect the majority seen around are no more than
> expensive status symbols and of very limited use off road.
>

Sorry - isn't that a definition of Land Rover??

That's a definition of Range Rover.

No one buys a Land Rover for the school run - they are basic, to say
the least. The kids would not approve.

The Disco is quite refined but you are right about the Defender.

Yes - I just assumed Defender, forgetting about the Disco and
Freeloader. I don't know why they don't make a few minor adjustments
to the Defender - comfy seats would be a good start, and proper locks!

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"Rooney" wrote ...
!>>>> That's right. The newer All Terrain Buggies look quite good though.

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Quoted message said:

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No doubt some are - the ones made by Land Rover, for instance;
however I suspect the majority seen around are no more than
expensive status symbols and of very limited use off road.

Sorry - isn't that a definition of Land Rover??

That's a definition of Range Rover.

Status symbol it might be but it's also the dogs gonads off road if you are
rich enough not to worry about the paintwork, if fact all Land Rovers
(except the Freelander which is just OK) are superb off road.

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No one buys a Land Rover for the school run - they are basic, to say
the least. The kids would not approve.

Climbs back in either his Series 111 or 90 (before if became the Defender)
and chugs off across the allotments. :-)

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Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:26:02 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email hidden]>

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"Rooney" wrote ...
!>>>> That's right. The newer All Terrain Buggies look quite good though.

Quoted message said:

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> No doubt some are - the ones made by Land Rover, for instance;
> however I suspect the majority seen around are no more than
> expensive status symbols and of very limited use off road.
>

Sorry - isn't that a definition of Land Rover??

That's a definition of Range Rover.

Status symbol it might be but it's also the dogs gonads off road if you are
rich enough not to worry about the paintwork,

That's right - it's really in the luxury car bracket!

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if fact all Land Rovers
(except the Freelander which is just OK) are superb off road.

I believe the Freelander is a bit dodgy altogether.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

No one buys a Land Rover for the school run - they are basic, to say
the least. The kids would not approve.

Climbs back in either his Series 111 or 90 (before if became the Defender)
and chugs off across the allotments. :-)

I like their image, but I really wouldn't fancy doing much motorway
mileage in one. My mate has one for work, and says it wanders all over
the place when driven at speed.

I opted for the Terrano, which has real off road ability, and is
sufficiently comfy and car-like on road for me (though it wouldn't
match the likes of the Rav 4 or the CRV on the road).

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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:26:02 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email hidden]>

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That's a definition of Range Rover.

Status symbol it might be but it's also the dogs gonads off road

Badger's nadgers, indeed.

Judith

Judith said:

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:26:02 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's a definition of Range Rover.

Status symbol it might be but it's also the dogs gonads off road

Badger's nadgers, indeed.

But far too smart to get dirty!

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Judith

You've got a Disco haven't you, Judith?

Incidentally, a recent (ish) issue of 4x4 magazine put the top 10
(selected I know not how) through a series of fairly strenuous
off-road tests, and guess what came second to the Defender?
The Terrano, no less (which is probably why I bought the mag - the
rest is adverts).

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Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful person
Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> said

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In article <[email hidden]>, Rooney
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:18:27 GMT, "druidh" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Fran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> [email hidden] said...
>> That's right. The newer All Terrain Buggies look quite good though.
>>
> No doubt some are - the ones made by Land Rover, for instance;
> however I suspect the majority seen around are no more than
> expensive status symbols and of very limited use off road.
>

Sorry - isn't that a definition of Land Rover??

That's a definition of Range Rover.

No one buys a Land Rover for the school run - they are basic, to say
the least. The kids would not approve.

The Disco is quite refined but you are right about the Defender.

The latest Disco 3 is practically the same as the last series RR now,
including the price (up to 46k for the top of the range model). Except
some clown at LR decided to revert to the earlier model Disco seats - Oh
they're electric, leather covered, heated, memory, etc. etc. etc.
however you can't adjust the damn (front seat) headrests for those of us
who are 6' plus, so first rear-end collision will whiplash your head
off. The back seats adjust just fine.

That one joins the Freelander (dreadful visibility!) on the 'no' pile.
Actually all LR products are on the 'No' pile after what Ford did to
Jaguar (the racing team as well as the factory).

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

In article <[email hidden]>, Geoff Berrow
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I noticed that Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from
Dominic Sexton contained the following:

Quoted message said:

Any pointers for tarmac paths in attractive settings within an hour's
drive from Crewe would be appreciated...

Apedale Country park have added a tarmac section leading up to the
winding gear monument.
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/live/welcome.asp?id=4572

It's a high spot but not that inspiring in the winter.

There is also a heritage centre.
http://www.apedale.heritage.cwc.net/

You can walk it, but with a wheel chair you be best driving round to it

Thanks for info Geoff.

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Dominic Sexton

Rooney said:

You've got a Disco haven't you, Judith?

Yes, I have. I bought it becasue I knew that my Series III wasn't
going to be able to cope with the high motorway mileage I was going to
be doing. It's brilliant. I realise that I am now in the category of
LR owners who never go off tarmac [1] but I still love the vehicle.

I test drove an almost new Defender 90, when I was looking for the
Disco, and was disappointed at how basic and uncomfortable it was for
£21,000! I couldn't reach the handbrake, which I could in the Series
III.

Quoted message said:

Incidentally, a recent (ish) issue of 4x4 magazine put the top 10
(selected I know not how) through a series of fairly strenuous
off-road tests, and guess what came second to the Defender?
The Terrano, no less (which is probably why I bought the mag - the
rest is adverts).

I remember you trying to decide what to get, so I'm glad you like it
but I'm a LR marque addict, I'm afraid!

Judith
[1] And no, I do not mean "off road", I mean "off tarmac". There are
thousands of miles of untarmac'd roads in the UK!

Judith said:

[1] And no, I do not mean "off road", I mean "off tarmac". There are
thousands of miles of untarmac'd roads in the UK!

Oh goodie - let's prompt a greenlaning flame!

I love being able to cope with rutted and pot-holed lanes. The Focus,
nice as it was to drive, was always smacking the ground wherever I
went.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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That's right. The newer All Terrain Buggies look quite good though.

No doubt some are - the ones made by Land Rover, for instance;
however I suspect the majority seen around are no more than
expensive status symbols and of very limited use off road.

Sorry - isn't that a definition of Land Rover??

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Range Rover? I was
thinking of things like the Series 1 and Series 2 LR - you
know, the ones genuinely designed for off-road use.
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All the best to everyone in 2005
- Fran

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry - isn't that a definition of Land Rover??

That's a definition of Range Rover.

No one buys a Land Rover for the school run - they are basic, to say
the least. The kids would not approve.

Friend of mine's got a LR Discovery that's used for the school
run; however since he works P/T as a school taxi in the wilds
of Carmarthenshire and picks up youngsters from far-flung
farms etc it's the best option. For urban use I agree it'd be
overkill.
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All the best to everyone in 2005
- Fran

Fran said:

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry - isn't that a definition of Land Rover??

That's a definition of Range Rover.

No one buys a Land Rover for the school run - they are basic, to say
the least. The kids would not approve.

Friend of mine's got a LR Discovery that's used for the school
run; however since he works P/T as a school taxi in the wilds
of Carmarthenshire and picks up youngsters from far-flung
farms etc it's the best option. For urban use I agree it'd be
overkill.

I was thinking of the Defender, Fran, when I said that. The Discovery
does in fact feature in the local school run near to me. It is an
absolute necessity when the mother lives 250 yards away and has to
traverse a road with a less than perfect surface.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Fran
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry - isn't that a definition of Land Rover??

That's a definition of Range Rover.

No one buys a Land Rover for the school run - they are basic, to say
the least. The kids would not approve.

Friend of mine's got a LR Discovery that's used for the school
run; however since he works P/T as a school taxi in the wilds
of Carmarthenshire and picks up youngsters from far-flung
farms etc it's the best option. For urban use I agree it'd be
overkill.

My work LR 88"(petrol) did 18 miles/gallon.

Who would want a thirsty beast like that?

The later long wheelbased (109" ?) diesel did 26 miles/gallon.

--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

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from "W. D. Grey" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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My work LR 88"(petrol) did 18 miles/gallon.

My early 60s 2A 88 never did more than 16 and my 1981 Range Rover 17.

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Who would want a thirsty beast like that?

Seems I did. :-)

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Roger Chapman

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from Fran <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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Are you sure you're not thinking of the Range Rover? I was
thinking of things like the Series 1 and Series 2 LR - you
know, the ones genuinely designed for off-road use.

The Range Rover was designed for serious off road use and the early ones
were probably better at it than the cart sprung Land Rovers.
Unfortunately as they drifted up market then became less and less
attractive to the people they were originally aimed at. Nowadays ISTM
that there is little to distinguish them from the rest of the Chelsea
Tractors.

--
Roger Chapman

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Friend of mine's got a LR Discovery that's used for the school
run; however since he works P/T as a school taxi in the wilds
of Carmarthenshire and picks up youngsters from far-flung
farms etc it's the best option. For urban use I agree it'd be
overkill.

I was thinking of the Defender, Fran, when I said that. The Discovery
does in fact feature in the local school run near to me. It is an
absolute necessity when the mother lives 250 yards away and has to
traverse a road with a less than perfect surface.

250 yds? As much as that?? Wow, the child will be qualifying
for free school transport soon </sarcasm>

Actually, I wouldn't mind a Defender. I've never driven one
and I'm told they can be quite uncomfortable, but I really
*really* fancy something that can cope with everything so I
can take it through Forestry land and in and out of silly
situations. And no, before anyone shouts at me, I am /not/
daft enough to suggest driving up walkable mountains. I just
fancy getting wet and muddy in a car :-)
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All the best to everyone in 2005
- Fran

Fran said:

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Friend of mine's got a LR Discovery that's used for the school
run; however since he works P/T as a school taxi in the wilds
of Carmarthenshire and picks up youngsters from far-flung
farms etc it's the best option. For urban use I agree it'd be
overkill.

I was thinking of the Defender, Fran, when I said that. The Discovery
does in fact feature in the local school run near to me. It is an
absolute necessity when the mother lives 250 yards away and has to
traverse a road with a less than perfect surface.

250 yds? As much as that?? Wow, the child will be qualifying
for free school transport soon </sarcasm>

Actually, I wouldn't mind a Defender. I've never driven one
and I'm told they can be quite uncomfortable, but I really
*really* fancy something that can cope with everything so I
can take it through Forestry land and in and out of silly
situations. And no, before anyone shouts at me, I am /not/
daft enough to suggest driving up walkable mountains. I just
fancy getting wet and muddy in a car :-)

I'm sure you'd have great fun, but you'd need to plonk yerself on a
cushion. They really are uncomfortable.

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Fran said:

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Friend of mine's got a LR Discovery that's used for the school
run; however since he works P/T as a school taxi in the wilds
of Carmarthenshire and picks up youngsters from far-flung
farms etc it's the best option. For urban use I agree it'd be
overkill.

I was thinking of the Defender, Fran, when I said that. The Discovery
does in fact feature in the local school run near to me. It is an
absolute necessity when the mother lives 250 yards away and has to
traverse a road with a less than perfect surface.

250 yds? As much as that?? Wow, the child will be qualifying
for free school transport soon </sarcasm>

Actually, I wouldn't mind a Defender. I've never driven one
and I'm told they can be quite uncomfortable, but I really
*really* fancy something that can cope with everything so I
can take it through Forestry land and in and out of silly
situations. And no, before anyone shouts at me, I am /not/
daft enough to suggest driving up walkable mountains. I just
fancy getting wet and muddy in a car :-)

I'm sure you'd have great fun, but you'd need to plonk yerself on a
cushion. They really are uncomfortable.

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

The message <[email hidden]>
from Fran <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Range Rover? I was
thinking of things like the Series 1 and Series 2 LR - you
know, the ones genuinely designed for off-road use.

The Range Rover was designed for serious off road use and the early ones
were probably better at it than the cart sprung Land Rovers.
Unfortunately as they drifted up market then became less and less
attractive to the people they were originally aimed at. Nowadays ISTM
that there is little to distinguish them from the rest of the Chelsea
Tractors.

apart from the air suspension which is great for adjusting ride height
and the HDC, low ratio box, etc. which I think have all carried through
to the latest model

Not that any of it ever gets used on the school run.

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Darren
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