stem backwards ok?

"Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

G.T. said:

With a long stem backwards one has to move their arms the
opposite direction of what they're used to.

Absolutely false. Want to turn right? Move your left hand away and your
right hand in. Only difference, really, is the amount of elbow bend.

Clearly you haven't tried it or you wouldn't be saying the above. It's not
a matter of moving away and in, in practice it's a matter of swinging left
and right (if the stem is more than a couple centimeters long). Stop trying
to convince people otherwise until you've actually tried it. I have.

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On Wed, 2 May 2007 17:57:05 -0700, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Yes, last night.

Greg

So how did it feel?

Bill Sornson said:

Michael Press said:

Everybody, if more than one person is saying something
counter-intuitive, it is best not to dismiss them immediately.

Nice change of subject from the first comment that raised objection. Poster
said the bar /turns/ in a different direction.

Bill, I assume you're referring to something I've written as "the
first comment". You've made this claim multiple times already.

It seems as though you believe I've said that the handlebar rotates in
a different direction depending on the orientation of the stem. I
haven't said that ever in this thread.

The only use of "turn" I have used in this thread is in how the rider
wants to direct the bike.

Throughout I have said the handlebar and the rider's hands move
clockwise in a right turn in both configurations.

But if you look at a clock, you'll notice that the tip of the long end
of the second hand moves to the right from 9 to 3, but moves to the
left from 3 to 9, all the while moving clockwise. Now imagine your
hands attached to the tip of the second hand. That's been the entire
point of this thread beyond the original poster's questions, which I
think I answered in my first reply.

G.T. said:

"Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

G.T. said:

With a long stem backwards one has to move their arms the
opposite direction of what they're used to.

Absolutely false. Want to turn right? Move your left hand away and
your right hand in. Only difference, really, is the amount of elbow
bend.

Clearly you haven't tried it or you wouldn't be saying the above. It's not
a matter of moving away and in, in practice it's a matter of
swinging left and right (if the stem is more than a couple
centimeters long). Stop trying to convince people otherwise until
you've actually tried it. I have.

We're dancing. The /handlebar/ turns in the direction of the aptly named
turn. Whether it (and the stem) move left or right is irrelevant, as the
way one STEERS THE BIKE remains essentially the same. One TURNS the
handlebar -- even if one only feels like one is moving it left/right. The
bar still turns...stem front or back.

Victor Kan said:

Bill Sornson said:

Michael Press said:

Everybody, if more than one person is saying something
counter-intuitive, it is best not to dismiss them immediately.

Nice change of subject from the first comment that raised objection.
Poster said the bar /turns/ in a different direction.

Bill, I assume you're referring to something I've written as "the
first comment". You've made this claim multiple times already.

It seems as though you believe I've said that the handlebar rotates in
a different direction depending on the orientation of the stem. I
haven't said that ever in this thread.

The only use of "turn" I have used in this thread is in how the rider
wants to direct the bike.

Throughout I have said the handlebar and the rider's hands move
clockwise in a right turn in both configurations.

But if you look at a clock, you'll notice that the tip of the long end
of the second hand moves to the right from 9 to 3, but moves to the
left from 3 to 9, all the while moving clockwise. Now imagine your
hands attached to the tip of the second hand. That's been the entire
point of this thread beyond the original poster's questions, which I
think I answered in my first reply.

You're right -- I mixed up your first comment with what ensued.

Everyone is /almost/ saying the same thing -- although I still maintain that
the steering action comes down to turning the handlebar in the turning
direction no matter what.

IOW, a big ado about essentially nothing: typical RBT.

Steering away, BS

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Cole said:

eddie_1 said:

Hi, i bought a 24" bike for my son who is 9 but it is a bit too big
for him. In order to help with the reach to the handle bars, i was
wondering if it would be ok to install the quill stem backwards?
thanks! ~ed

It should be fine -- may look a little strange, but won't really effect
steering much.

How do you know? Can you guarantee that when the son tries to ride
a bicycle with a forward directed stem that the son will not have
problems? I think he will.

I've ridden bikes with swept back handlebars. Most of the bikes were
like that when I was a kid. Didn't you ever ride a Stingray with ape
hangers?

Try riding any bike with your arms crossed -- that's s completely
different story.

Peter Cole said:

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Peter Cole <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eddie_1 wrote:
> Hi, i bought a 24" bike for my son who is 9 but it is a bit too big
> for him. In order to help with the reach to the handle bars, i was
> wondering if it would be ok to install the quillstembackwards?
> thanks! ~ed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It should be fine -- may look a little strange, but won't really effect
steering much.

Quoted message said:

How do you know? Can you guarantee that when the son tries to ride
a bicycle with a forward directedstemthat the son will not have
problems? I think he will.

I've ridden bikes with swept back handlebars. Most of the bikes were
like that when I was a kid. Didn't you ever ride a Stingray with ape
hangers?

Try riding any bike with your arms crossed -- that's s completely
different story.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here is what it ended up looking like. It seems to do the trick for my
son.
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/14936/2001324749514916557_rs.jpg
~ed

eddie_1 said:

Peter Cole said:

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Peter Cole <[email hidden]> wrote:
> eddie_1 wrote:
>> Hi, i bought a 24" bike for my son who is 9 but it is a bit too big
>> for him. In order to help with the reach to the handle bars, i was
>> wondering if it would be ok to install the quillstembackwards?
>> thanks! ~ed
> It should be fine -- may look a little strange, but won't really effect
> steering much.
How do you know? Can you guarantee that when the son tries to ride
a bicycle with a forward directedstemthat the son will not have
problems? I think he will.

I've ridden bikes with swept back handlebars. Most of the bikes were
like that when I was a kid. Didn't you ever ride a Stingray with ape
hangers?

Try riding any bike with your arms crossed -- that's s completely
different story.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here is what it ended up looking like. It seems to do the trick for my
son.
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/14936/2001324749514916557_rs.jpg
~ed

Looks good. Looks like an old motocross bike when triple clamps had
more rearward setback.

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eddie_1 said:

Here is what it ended up looking like. It seems to do the trick for my
son.
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/14936/2001324749514916557_rs.jpg

Hey, whaddya know! I'll bet he /turns the handlebar left/ to turn left, and
right to go right. Amazing!

Bill "vindication is suh-weet" S.

Bill Sornson said:

eddie_1 said:

Here is what it ended up looking like. It seems to do the trick for my
son.
http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/14936/2001324749514916557_rs.jpg

Hey, whaddya know! I'll bet he /turns the handlebar left/ to turn left, and
right to go right. Amazing!

Bill "vindication is suh-weet" S.

Vindication, smindication, I'll bet he swings his bars to the left to
turn right.

Greg
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