Scrambling

W. D. Grey said:

Looks like an inverted turtle :-)

And that too!

You can see why I had a problem getting down now, can't you?

Paul

Paul Saunders said:

Graham Seed wrote:

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This was definately on Bristly Ridge which i found
quite daunting. The first gully was strenuous but the whole thing was
slippy and i remember having some [censored] boots on that had nil
friction. About half way up someone who I thought was you went
straight up a very exposed bit............

Wasn't me. Maybe it was Simon?

That sounds entirely likely, was't he responsible for taking the hard
route up Tryfan? IIRC he was suffering from withdrawal syptoms after
being told to keep away from dangling after his accident.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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So have I but what bothers me is how one is supposed to distinguish
between scrambling and rock climbing now the scrambling grades have
colonised the lower reaches of the climbing grades.

I agree. I remember "scrambling" up tryfan once and looking across to see
someone abseiling down a similiar route to the one I was going up. To me, I
didnt think it merited ropes but they obviously did.

Theo said:

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http://www.pvs1.f2s.com/woolpacks.jpg

An alien turtle ?

A roche tortuee, as the geologists call it...
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Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

Rob Devereux said:

I agree. I remember "scrambling" up tryfan once and looking across to see
someone abseiling down a similiar route to the one I was going up. To me, I
didnt think it merited ropes but they obviously did.

Going down is generally quite a bit harder than going up. Abseiling is
very much /quicker/ than down-climbing, and I've certainly abbed down
things I could have climbed simply for the sake of speed.

Pete.
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W. D. Grey said:

An experienced walker / climber is beyond giving an objective opinion if
he can't think on the same level as a novice.

Everyone is necessarily beyond an "objective opinion", because
beginners don't begin equal. Some people can get straight on with
climbing and scrambling completely unfazed by the exposure, some
never really come to terms with it at all, and all shades between.
Similarly, some people are "natural" climbers and others are
clumsy and have poor balance, irrespective of whether they're
experienced or not.

Its also subjective depending on conditions. For example, I recall helping
a girl frozen to the spot on one of the tors on top of the Glyders a few
years back. I had just gone up Tryfan and then gone up onto the Glyders and
the exposure and height was no issue to me until I started thinking about it
and suddenly felt a twinge of fear(not enough to stop me but enough to
notice). Similiarly after a week of high-level mountain goat walking in
Picos I was far more nervous about doing exposed cliffs etc than I would
normally be .

Rob

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I once took a mate of mine across Crib Goch. He was after doing
something a bit more exciting than he'd been doing with the rambling
club branch of the YHA (walks in the Cotswolds and the like). We took
him to Snowdownia, and I sounded him out about something a bit more
exciting, but with a bit of exposure. He seemed up for it; "I'll give
it a go", he said. Half way along it did rather occur to me that it was
a bit more evil than it had seemed in my rather hazy memory, and
perhaps might be a bit too much for him. Perhaps I should also mention
it was covered in about 3 inches of slushy snow so ice axe was no use,
but you still gripped the handle quite hard. He was quietly focussed,
not flapping, though definitely concentrating. Once we got onto Yr
Wyddfa proper, he announced "that is the worse thing I have ever done
in my life, and I never, ever, wan't to do anything like that ever
again". Although it worked out OK and is funny in retrospect, it was
basically very poor judgement on my part. It's not just different
people's views of a scramble, but the same person's view,
half-forgotten, might differ too.

That's very true. I have a good friend, let's clal him Dave, who is
gradually whittling down the world's mountains into "never doing that
again". Every time we go anywhere he finds these routes that he hates
doing, curses and swears his way down because he hates exposure, never comes
a cropper(in fact he only ever falls over on the flat) and yet will never be
persuaded to repeat a route that he knows is bad, even when he has done it.
We normally find the best policy is to take him to a point where going down
is worse than carrying on...;-)

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Graham Seed wrote:

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This was definately on Bristly Ridge which i found
quite daunting. The first gully was strenuous but the whole thing was
slippy and i remember having some [censored] boots on that had nil
friction. About half way up someone who I thought was you went
straight up a very exposed bit............

Wasn't me. Maybe it was Simon?

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That sounds entirely likely, was't he responsible for taking the hard
route up Tryfan? IIRC he was suffering from withdrawal syptoms after
being told to keep away from dangling after his accident.

Simon may have been the dominant influence later but my memory is of
Martin as pied piper while only I stuck to the path.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year nothing new except a
knackered knee.

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W. D. Grey said:

He doesn't have a problem with vertical bits of Tryfan - it's lumps
of Millstone grit in the Peak district are his downfall :-)

Yeah, Welsh rocks are fine, but English rocks are the wrong shape!

Here's the photograph that I took just moments before the fateful

incident.

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It was just this shape of rock that was to blame! Worth it though,

probably

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my favourite photo from the whole trip.
http://www.pvs1.f2s.com/woolpacks.jpg

How did you fall off that?

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W. D. Grey said:

Looks like an inverted turtle :-)

And that too!

You can see why I had a problem getting down now, can't you?

Being chased by a turtle ? Yeh, that's a real problem ;-)

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W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> wrote

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In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
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W. D. Grey said:

He doesn't have a problem with vertical bits of Tryfan - it's lumps
of Millstone grit in the Peak district are his downfall :-)

Yeah, Welsh rocks are fine, but English rocks are the wrong shape!

Here's the photograph that I took just moments before the fateful incident.
It was just this shape of rock that was to blame! Worth it though, probably
my favourite photo from the whole trip.
http://www.pvs1.f2s.com/woolpacks.jpg

Paul

Looks like an inverted turtle :-)

Turned turtle.
--
Gordon Harris

Phil Cook said:

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Wasn't me. Maybe it was Simon?

That sounds entirely likely, was't he responsible for taking the hard
route up Tryfan?

I may have been at least partly responsible for that, I wanted to go up the
hard way.

Quoted message said:

IIRC he was suffering from withdrawal syptoms after
being told to keep away from dangling after his accident.

Didn't he have his accident after that?

Paul

Rob Devereux said:

Quoted message said:

Here's the photograph that I took just moments before the fateful
incident. It was just this shape of rock that was to blame! Worth
it though, probably my favourite photo from the whole trip.
http://www.pvs1.f2s.com/woolpacks.jpg

How did you fall off that?

Well I didn't fall off the one in the photo, I fell off the one I was taking
the photo from. It was just plain carelessness. I had my walking stick in
one hand and my camera in the other, and I tried to walk down off it. As I
descended I placed my foot onto a lumpy bit of grass which turned my ankle
over, and of course my whole weight came down on it, somersaulting me over.

A few minutes passed before I even though of checking my camera for damage,
so it must have been serious!

Paul

Theo said:

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You can see why I had a problem getting down now, can't you?

Being chased by a turtle ? Yeh, that's a real problem ;-)

Yep, that doesn't happen very often when hillwalking, which probably caught
me off guard!

Paul

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A few minutes passed before I even though of checking my camera for
damage, so it must have been serious!

Deja vue ! Or should I say 'deja reed' (in 2005)?

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Theo
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"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

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This was definately on Bristly Ridge which i found
quite daunting. The first gully was strenuous but the whole thing was
slippy and i remember having some [censored] boots on that had nil
friction. About half way up someone who I thought was you went
straight up a very exposed bit............

Wasn't me. Maybe it was Simon?

Dunno. This is one of those occasions where you would swear blind that
something happened only to be confronted with incontrovertible proof that it
didn't. Don't worry, I'm just going senile! I'm sure it was you, therefore
it must have been on Tryfan.....I bet I went over Snowdon too without
realising it......Perhaps I need a GPS :-))

Graham

Theo said:

Quoted message said:

A few minutes passed before I even though of checking my camera for
damage, so it must have been serious!

Deja vue ! Or should I say 'deja reed' (in 2005)?

Eh?

Paul

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Theo said:

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A few minutes passed before I even though of checking my camera for
damage, so it must have been serious!

Deja vue ! Or should I say 'deja reed' (in 2005)?

Eh?

You've used this sentence before in a previous post some time ago. I thought
it was in a thread about someone stumbling on Striding edge during the
Helvellyn exped.

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Theo
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