Remembrances.

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 04:17:08p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Ophelia?

Quoted message said:

and now.. thanks to Elaine.. I understand you perfectly🙂)))))))

I do love this group🙂) Such patience to help someone to understand is
wonderful🙂)

Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.

Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced. Would
that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the origin of use.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Quoted message said:

I think Carol is a class act, and I think she knows that.

Thank you very much for the compliment! I just wish that I were
worthy of it. But I'm trying. :o)

Carol

serene said:

Damsel in dis Dress said:

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:47:52 -0800, serene <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I feel impelled to pipe in and say that I do believe that people who
died are dead and gone, not in heaven, not where I'm going to see them
later, and that doesn't detract from my love for them, or make me
sadder. If anything, it makes me all the more determined to have a
good life, because it's the only life I get.

(Please understand that I'm not denigrating those of you who believe
you will see your loved ones in some later life -- just sharing that
that's not the way it is for me.)

All I can say is, you're in for a big surprise! *smile*

And you know this how? :-)

http://www.jhuger.com/pascal.php

serene

hehe. Fair question. My soul communes with God (not with organized
religion, man-made doctrines, religious dogma, etc).

It is like any other emotional experiece - love, hate, lust, greed etc.
You can't hold it in your hand or take a picture of it or point it out on
the street. But you know it, and know it to be real, when you experience it.

Many of us have "loved and lost" or loved and then hated or loved and
then ran away as quickly as we could or loved and kicked ourselves for
being so stupid. Was it the fault of "love" or
was it the fault of bad choice, unrealistic expectation, bad timing, etc?

Love is not some magical thing you can buy in the store or order from the
TV or visit some building where some person is proclaiming to give it away
or show you the path to finding it. Love lives within and is a personal,
unique experience that we cultivate with another - or with a small, furry
animal or with chocolate. No matter with whom or what, it must originate
from within - as do all the emotional experiences.

If one sits home 24/7 waiting for love to come knocking at the door, one
will have a long, disappointing wait. It doesn't come find you. It must be
cultivated. A relationship with God is the same. Each must find his/her
way.

Spirituality (not religion or "faith", or man-made dogma) begins within,
resides within, and sustains from within and it is a personal journey each
must make for him/her self. Therefore, I can't give mine, or sell it or
bargin with it, to anyone. I can't "convert" anyone or make anyone take
the journey. Not only is that impossible, it is not my place to do so.

God is not for everybody. Christianity is certainly not for everybody.
Organized religion is most certainly not for everybody.

I think we all are going to be surprised - especially those looking for
the pearly gates and streets paved with gold <g>.

Elaine, too

Wayne Boatwright said:

Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced. Would
that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the origin of use.

Actually, I thought 'prejudiced' originally meant 'coming to a conclusion,
either negative or positive, about something/someone without considering
objective evidence' and the universally perjorative implication was
recent. On consulting my biggest paper dictionary, I found out that the
first usage given was as a legal term meaning legal action taken
unfairly against someone's best interests, but the next was the either
positive/negative one I just mentioned.

I have certainly heard your usage frequently, and I'm not from the US
south. I would also use 'prejudiced' positively - about a family member,
for example, as you did, or in something like 'You must buy this CD, it's
great! Of course, I may be prejudiced, I don't think this group has ever
put out a bad album (or ....I'm the lead vocalist, or ....my son plays
with the band)'

So if the person you have been speaking to hates the album, they have been
warned that maybe you weren't providing the more dispassionate review that
he'd get from, say, a professional reviewer.

--
Cheryl

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 05:14:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Cheryl
Perkins?

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced.
Would that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the origin of
use.

Actually, I thought 'prejudiced' originally meant 'coming to a
conclusion, either negative or positive, about something/someone without
considering objective evidence' and the universally perjorative
implication was recent. On consulting my biggest paper dictionary, I
found out that the first usage given was as a legal term meaning legal
action taken unfairly against someone's best interests, but the next was
the either positive/negative one I just mentioned.

I have certainly heard your usage frequently, and I'm not from the US
south. I would also use 'prejudiced' positively - about a family member,
for example, as you did, or in something like 'You must buy this CD,
it's great! Of course, I may be prejudiced, I don't think this group has
ever put out a bad album (or ....I'm the lead vocalist, or ....my son
plays with the band)'

So if the person you have been speaking to hates the album, they have
been warned that maybe you weren't providing the more dispassionate
review that he'd get from, say, a professional reviewer.

Well researched, Cheryl. I must confess that I have never actually looked
up the meaning, only using the word in the way I have heard it used. Good
examples, too.

Thanks...

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 04:59:48p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Elaine
Parrish?

Quoted message said:

serene said:

Damsel in dis Dress said:

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:47:52 -0800, serene <[email hidden]>
wrote:

> I feel impelled to pipe in and say that I do believe that people who
> died are dead and gone, not in heaven, not where I'm going to see
> them later, and that doesn't detract from my love for them, or make
> me sadder. If anything, it makes me all the more determined to have
> a good life, because it's the only life I get.
>
> (Please understand that I'm not denigrating those of you who believe
> you will see your loved ones in some later life -- just sharing that
> that's not the way it is for me.)

All I can say is, you're in for a big surprise! *smile*

And you know this how? :-)

http://www.jhuger.com/pascal.php

serene

hehe. Fair question. My soul communes with God (not with organized
religion, man-made doctrines, religious dogma, etc).

It is like any other emotional experiece - love, hate, lust, greed etc.
You can't hold it in your hand or take a picture of it or point it out
on the street. But you know it, and know it to be real, when you
experience it.

Many of us have "loved and lost" or loved and then hated or loved and
then ran away as quickly as we could or loved and kicked ourselves for
being so stupid. Was it the fault of "love" or
was it the fault of bad choice, unrealistic expectation, bad timing,
etc?

Love is not some magical thing you can buy in the store or order from
the TV or visit some building where some person is proclaiming to give
it away or show you the path to finding it. Love lives within and is a
personal, unique experience that we cultivate with another - or with a
small, furry animal or with chocolate. No matter with whom or what, it
must originate from within - as do all the emotional experiences.

If one sits home 24/7 waiting for love to come knocking at the door, one
will have a long, disappointing wait. It doesn't come find you. It must
be cultivated. A relationship with God is the same. Each must find
his/her way.

Spirituality (not religion or "faith", or man-made dogma) begins within,
resides within, and sustains from within and it is a personal journey
each must make for him/her self. Therefore, I can't give mine, or sell
it or bargin with it, to anyone. I can't "convert" anyone or make anyone
take the journey. Not only is that impossible, it is not my place to do
so.

God is not for everybody. Christianity is certainly not for everybody.
Organized religion is most certainly not for everybody.

I think we all are going to be surprised - especially those looking for
the pearly gates and streets paved with gold <g>.

Elaine, I really like your philosphy.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Wayne Boatwright said:

Quoted message said:

"But I might be prejudiced" is a way of apologizing for bragging on
yourself or your loved ones. That is important in the Southern US. It
makes the distinction between a person that is sharing his opinion and
the person that is a blowhard, self-absorbed, braggart jerk.

Elaine, you hit all that right on the head. I think you know that my
family is from Mississippi, so my usage probably stemmed from that.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Tee hee hee. Southern stock begets Southern stock. We must come
pre-programmed with all these sayings and traditions and a cookbook!

Elaine, too

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:29:36 -0600, Elaine Parrish <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Tee hee hee. Southern stock begets Southern stock. We must come
pre-programmed with all these sayings and traditions and a cookbook!

I don't know much about my maternal grandfather, but I don't think
that, "You can't have molasses if you ain't had no 'lasses," came from
North Dakota.

Carol

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 04:17:08p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Ophelia?

Quoted message said:

and now.. thanks to Elaine.. I understand you perfectly🙂)))))))

I do love this group🙂) Such patience to help someone to understand is
wonderful🙂)

Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.

Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced. Would
that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the origin of use.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Awww, shucks! <blush> Thank you both.

Blame it all on the teacher in me. I can't help myself. <g>

English is difficult enough to learn, but when you factor in all the
slang and regional phrasings, it can really be a pain. A
lot of US folks don't understand them, much less someone new to English.

Lifelong learning is a wonderful thing. We all should learn one new thing
a day. I learn a lot here and try to pass on some things when I can.

Elaine, too

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 10:52:16p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Elaine
Parrish?

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 04:17:08p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
Ophelia?

Quoted message said:

and now.. thanks to Elaine.. I understand you perfectly🙂)))))))

I do love this group🙂) Such patience to help someone to understand
is wonderful🙂)

Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.

Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced.
Woul d that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the origin
of use.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Awww, shucks! <blush> Thank you both.

Blame it all on the teacher in me. I can't help myself. <g>

English is difficult enough to learn, but when you factor in all the
slang and regional phrasings, it can really be a pain. A
lot of US folks don't understand them, much less someone new to English.

Lifelong learning is a wonderful thing. We all should learn one new
thing a day. I learn a lot here and try to pass on some things when I
can.

Elaine, too

Elaine, may I e-mail you? Is that a good e-mail address for you?

Thanks...

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Damsel in dis Dress said:

Quoted message said:

I think Carol is a class act, and I think she knows that.

Thank you very much for the compliment! I just wish that I were
worthy of it. But I'm trying. :o)

Carol

I used to think that too...Till I found out she wasn't acting.

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 04:59:48p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Elaine
Parrish?

Quoted message said:

serene said:

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:54:01 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:47:52 -0800, serene <[email hidden]>
>wrote:
>
>> I feel impelled to pipe in and say that I do believe that people who
>> died are dead and gone, not in heaven, not where I'm going to see
>> them later, and that doesn't detract from my love for them, or make
>> me sadder. If anything, it makes me all the more determined to have
>> a good life, because it's the only life I get.
>>
>> (Please understand that I'm not denigrating those of you who believe
>> you will see your loved ones in some later life -- just sharing that
>> that's not the way it is for me.)
>
>All I can say is, you're in for a big surprise! *smile*

And you know this how? :-)

http://www.jhuger.com/pascal.php

serene

hehe. Fair question. My soul communes with God (not with organized
religion, man-made doctrines, religious dogma, etc).

It is like any other emotional experiece - love, hate, lust, greed etc.
You can't hold it in your hand or take a picture of it or point it out
on the street. But you know it, and know it to be real, when you
experience it.

Many of us have "loved and lost" or loved and then hated or loved and
then ran away as quickly as we could or loved and kicked ourselves for
being so stupid. Was it the fault of "love" or
was it the fault of bad choice, unrealistic expectation, bad timing,
etc?

Love is not some magical thing you can buy in the store or order from
the TV or visit some building where some person is proclaiming to give
it away or show you the path to finding it. Love lives within and is a
personal, unique experience that we cultivate with another - or with a
small, furry animal or with chocolate. No matter with whom or what, it
must originate from within - as do all the emotional experiences.

If one sits home 24/7 waiting for love to come knocking at the door, one
will have a long, disappointing wait. It doesn't come find you. It must
be cultivated. A relationship with God is the same. Each must find
his/her way.

Spirituality (not religion or "faith", or man-made dogma) begins within,
resides within, and sustains from within and it is a personal journey
each must make for him/her self. Therefore, I can't give mine, or sell
it or bargin with it, to anyone. I can't "convert" anyone or make anyone
take the journey. Not only is that impossible, it is not my place to do
so.

God is not for everybody. Christianity is certainly not for everybody.
Organized religion is most certainly not for everybody.

I think we all are going to be surprised - especially those looking for
the pearly gates and streets paved with gold <g>.

Elaine, I really like your philosphy.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Thanks, Wayne. I am definitely the Baptist Bible Belt odd-ball! <g>

Elaine, too

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 10:52:16p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Elaine
Parrish?

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 04:17:08p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
Ophelia?

> and now.. thanks to Elaine.. I understand you perfectly🙂)))))))
>
> I do love this group🙂) Such patience to help someone to understand
> is wonderful🙂)

Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.

Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced.
Woul d that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the origin
of use.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Awww, shucks! <blush> Thank you both.

Blame it all on the teacher in me. I can't help myself. <g>

English is difficult enough to learn, but when you factor in all the
slang and regional phrasings, it can really be a pain. A
lot of US folks don't understand them, much less someone new to English.

Lifelong learning is a wonderful thing. We all should learn one new
thing a day. I learn a lot here and try to pass on some things when I
can.

Elaine, too

Elaine, may I e-mail you? Is that a good e-mail address for you?

Thanks...

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Yes and Yes. I'll enjoy hearing from you.

Elaine, too

"Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 04:17:08p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
Ophelia?

Quoted message said:

and now.. thanks to Elaine.. I understand you perfectly🙂)))))))

I do love this group🙂) Such patience to help someone to understand
is
wonderful🙂)

Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.

Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced.
Would
that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the origin of use.

It doesn't matter now🙂) I understand🙂)))))))))))))))))))))

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Cheryl Perkins wrote:

Hi Cheryl,

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced. Would
that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the origin of use.

Actually, I thought 'prejudiced' originally meant 'coming to a conclusion,
either negative or positive, about something/someone without considering
objective evidence' and the universally perjorative implication was
recent. On consulting my biggest paper dictionary, I found out that the
first usage given was as a legal term meaning legal action taken
unfairly against someone's best interests, but the next was the either
positive/negative one I just mentioned.

Yes, I agree. I hadn't looked it up before my post. Being "closed-minded"
is to have accepted an idea, good or bad, regardless of the facts or the
opinions of others and being so dedicated to that idea that one will not
even entertain other possibilities. It was the best way I could think of
explaining it at the time. Thank you for looking it up and sending your
post.

As I read your post, I agreed with your statement of coming to a
conclusion [etc]. Yet, it is not only coming to an independent conclusion.
It is also accepting the opinions, views, beliefs of others without
question or facts - such as in the influence a parent has over a child or
peers have on one another, good or bad.

I checked my dictionary to refresh my memory and check my facts. Mine has
the legal definition as the last entry, #4. #1 is "an opinion
formed before the facts are known; preconceived; usually unfavorable; #2
an opinion held in disregard of the facts that contradict it;
unreasonable bias; #3 hatred or intolerance of other races, creeds, etc."

This dictionary has a copyright date of 1966 (Webster's New World
Dictionary, Nashville). So it is 40 years old. (Geez, how time flies!)
Using "prejudice" as descriptive of hatred or intolerance of other races,
creeds, etc is at least 40 years old.

Although we differ slightly, I think we are on the same page or at least
in the same chapter <g>.

Quoted message said:

I have certainly heard your usage frequently, and I'm not from the US
south. I would also use 'prejudiced' positively - about a family member,
for example, as you did, or in something like 'You must buy this CD, it's
great! Of course, I may be prejudiced, I don't think this group has ever
put out a bad album (or ....I'm the lead vocalist, or ....my son plays
with the band)'

So if the person you have been speaking to hates the album, they have been
warned that maybe you weren't providing the more dispassionate review that
he'd get from, say, a professional reviewer.

Yes, that is the way it is used here, too.
I wasn't sure how widespread the usage was. It is very common in the
Southern US, but I can't recall having heard it from friends or relatives
elsewhere. I'm glad to know that it isn't exclusively regional.

I always try to note that something that I hear frequently and is common
to me is possibly "Southern". We do have a way of torturing the Queen's
English. My "Yankee" family and friends give me all kinds of playful
grief - I had to learn two languages <g>

Elaine, too

Quoted message said:

--
Cheryl

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

On another note, my mother was a very beautiful woman. I'm not prejudiced,
as everyone thought so. I once wrote the following to her as she was
getting older...

Glimpses of beauty
as the years speed by.....
Are my memories of
You.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*

Wayne, that's beautiful. When I see beauty, I think of my Mom too.
Some things especially - a newly-blossomed rose; a hummingbird.

I think losing your Mother is one of the hardest things you go through
in life. It changes you forever.

I have had far too many "coincidences" to not believe in an existence
after death. I am not a religious person, but those experiences make
me lean theistically (is that a word?) from agnosticism.

-L.

On Tue 03 Jan 2006 01:03:43a, Elaine Parrish wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 02 Jan 2006 10:52:16p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Elaine
Parrish?

Quoted message said:

On 3 Jan 2006, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Mon 02 Jan 2006 04:17:08p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
> Ophelia?
>
> > and now.. thanks to Elaine.. I understand you perfectly🙂)))))))
> >
> > I do love this group🙂) Such patience to help someone to
> > understand is wonderful🙂)
>
> Elaine is always so good at detail. I love reading her posts.
>
> Perhaps I should have used the word "biased" instead of prejudiced.
> Woul d that have been more clear? I wasn't thinking about the
> origin of use.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
> __________________________________________________________________
> And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.
>

Awww, shucks! <blush> Thank you both.

Blame it all on the teacher in me. I can't help myself. <g>

English is difficult enough to learn, but when you factor in all the
slang and regional phrasings, it can really be a pain. A lot of US
folks don't understand them, much less someone new to English .

Lifelong learning is a wonderful thing. We all should learn one new
thing a day. I learn a lot here and try to pass on some things when I
can.

Elaine, too

Elaine, may I e-mail you? Is that a good e-mail address for you?

Thanks...

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________________________
And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

Yes and Yes. I'll enjoy hearing from you.

Elaine, too

Thanks, Elaine. I'll drop you a line tonight.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

On Tue 03 Jan 2006 03:03:25a, -L. wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Quoted message said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

On another note, my mother was a very beautiful woman. I'm not
prejudice d, as everyone thought so. I once wrote the following to her
as she was getting older...

Glimpses of beauty
as the years speed by.....
Are my memories of
You.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*

Wayne, that's beautiful. When I see beauty, I think of my Mom too.
Some things especially - a newly-blossomed rose; a hummingbird.

I think losing your Mother is one of the hardest things you go through
in life. It changes you forever.

I agree. It was the hardest thing I've ever been through. Sometimes it
still is.

Quoted message said:

I have had far too many "coincidences" to not believe in an existence
after death. I am not a religious person, but those experiences make
me lean theistically (is that a word?) from agnosticism.

Yes, it is a word. And what you said makes a lot of sense.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

In article <[email hidden]>,

-L. said:

I think losing your Mother is one of the hardest things you go through
in life. It changes you forever.

Yes. I lost my mother over 30 years ago. Still, I think it depends a
little. How old were you and what was your living situation when your
mother died? I was gone and married by then. My sister was also gone
and married. My brother got hit hard. He was still in high school.
Mom was the glue that held the family together. Dad was difficult. My
brother developed an intense dislike for Dad that lasted several years.
Of course, Dad was hit the hardest. They had been married over 25 years.

A few years later my son died. There was just no comparison. Here was
a baby who had lived with us almost a year.

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA

"-L." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I think losing your Mother is one of the hardest things you go through
in life. It changes you forever.

And it all depends on the mother. Mine was abusive and cruel.