Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists

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On Feb 21, 2:56 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
> >- Frank Krygowski
>
> You're an idiot, Frank.

Hmm. A person lacking courage to identify himself, hurling a juvenile
insult, while posting zero intelligent content. Not very impressive!

- Frank Krygowski

 

[[email protected]]

On Feb 21, 7:36 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
>
> > If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's
> > something seriously wrong.
>
> They can just walk 15 miles on their own? At age 9?

I didn't propose they walk 15 miles on their own, and not only because
I didn't know what the distance was. I simply said there is
_something_ seriously wrong with that situation.

Possibilities are many. For example, there are serious problems with
neighborhoods in which kids can't safely get around on their own.
Isn't it foolish to build a world where a kid has to be transported
everywhere by car? Yet that's the standard model for American
suburbs.

But beyond that: there's frequently something wrong with tying kids to
a regimented sports schedule. I've seen firsthand the effects of
demanding coaches and pushy parents. I think nine-year-old kids
should be out exploring the world, and/or arranging pick-up games in
their own neighborhood, not signed up for formal team sports.

But in general, I think if a kid has to be regularly transported 15
miles by car, it's likely that _someone_ made a mistake - perhaps in
planning, perhaps in objectives, perhaps in priorities. The mistake
could have been made by government agencies, or by housing developers,
or by voters, or by parents. But the situation is not good.

I think the switch from kid-powered transportation to car-powered
transportation has removed lots of opportunities for kids - and added
lots of body fat and other health problems.

- Frank Krygowski

 

[Brian Huntley]

On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> > If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's
> > something seriously wrong.
> One of my coworkers lives in a small town. They borrow a neighboring
> towns police force, and fire is volunteer. Nice town. His 12-year-
> old son plays hockey. Some games are at 6AM, in Boston. Even if the
> kid could get to the nearest train station, 10 miles away, with all of
> his gear, there are no trains running that early. Other games are in
> Plaistow, NH - there's no way to get there by train. Others are out
> west, and if he makes the playoffs he'll be traveling out of state.
> He's too young to work, and too young to drive. How do you suggest he
> gets himself and all his equipment to his games?

The somthing that's seriously wrong there is the hockey league, that
expects kids and their parents to drive all over creation like that.
If they must travel that far to find competition, why the heck doesn't
the team meet at the local arena and have a team bus or something? Or
better, why travel so darned far?

 

[donquijote1954]

On Feb 21, 7:38 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  donquijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Feb 21, 1:01 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 20, 6:30 pm, DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > zle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825
>
> > > > > And about the frugal scooters? They only got a little motor...
>
> > > > >http://www.zazzle.com/scooter_shirt-235994025243531447
>
> > > > yes, a little motor can only suck a little.  Scooters suck <WAY/> less
> > > > than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they were
> > > > electric motors they would probably suck even less.
>
> > > Riiiiight....
>
> > > ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter.
>
> > Just don't have so many kids. Or have them all ride bikes to the
> > hockey game.
>
> > Hey, a van sometimes is necessary. Nobody is preaching kicking the
> > addiction altogether.
>
> No.
>
> Just making the subtle assumption that it *is* an addiction; something
> bad and to be eliminated.
>
> Personal vehicles are one of the greatest forces for personal liberty
> and quality of life ever invented.
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
> to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
> sit in the bottom of that cupboard."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

When you notice all the couch potatoes behind the wheel stuck in
traffic jams, you know they are addicted to gas. Even Bush admitted
it, didn't he?

 

[Scott in SoCal]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:01:33 GMT, Alan Baker <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Riiiiight....
>
>...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter.

What's wrong with your kids going places on their own? When I was a
kid, none of the kids got chauffeured around everywhere like they do
today. Of course, when I was a kid, parents weren't buying McMansions
on the Urban Fringe that were so far from everything that kids who
can't drive need rides in order to do ANYTHING. The phrase "play date"
wasn't even in the lexicon back then - when you wanted to play at your
friend's house after school, you friggin' WALKED OVER THERE. When you
were done, you WALKED HOME.

My family had ONE car; my dad walked to the train station and rode the
train to work, I walked to school, my mom walked to the corner grocery
store, and the car sat idle most of the time. I wonder how much of our
current demand for foreign oil comes from parents driving their kids
around everywhere...
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[Scott in SoCal]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:36:51 GMT, Alan Baker <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article
><200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Feb 21, 1:01 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> >
>> > DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > On Feb 20, 6:30 pm, DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > zle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825
>> > >
>> > > ... Scooters suck <WAY/> less
>> > > than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they were
>> > > electric motors they would probably suck even less.
>> >
>> > Riiiiight....
>> >
>> > ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter.
>>
>> If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's
>> something seriously wrong.
>
>They can just walk 15 miles on their own? At age 9?

Maybe if you didn't buy that (larger) house out in the middle of what
used to be a corn field he wouldn't be 15 miles away from everything.
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[Scott in SoCal]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:16:40 -0500, "Christopher von Volborth"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>So who is the ultimate judge of who is and who isn't capable of dealing with
>the challenge of American motorized traffic?

The DMV?
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[David White]

"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 1:01 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 20, 6:30 pm, DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > zle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825
>
> > > > ... Scooters suck <WAY/> less
> > > > than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they were
> > > > electric motors they would probably suck even less.
>
> > > Riiiiight....
>
> > > ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter.
>
> > If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's
> > something seriously wrong.
>
> > - Frank Krygowski- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> One of my coworkers lives in a small town. They borrow a neighboring
> towns police force, and fire is volunteer. Nice town. His 12-year-
> old son plays hockey. Some games are at 6AM, in Boston. Even if the
> kid could get to the nearest train station, 10 miles away, with all of
> his gear, there are no trains running that early. Other games are in
> Plaistow, NH - there's no way to get there by train. Others are out
> west, and if he makes the playoffs he'll be traveling out of state.
> He's too young to work, and too young to drive. How do you suggest he
> gets himself and all his equipment to his games?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>We are talking about retiring drivers that don't have any >need for
>cars other that long trips. Most trips in America fall in >the short
>range category, easily covered by bikes, scooters and >public
>transportation.

Come to So. Calif. Public transportation is a joke. Our jobs are upwards of
50 miles from our homes. Please tell us what you consider a "Short Range"
trip.

 

[David White]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Feb 21, 2:56 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>>
>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>
>> You're an idiot, Frank.
>
> Hmm. A person lacking courage to identify himself, hurling a juvenile
> insult, while posting zero intelligent content. Not very impressive!
>
> - Frank Krygowski

I'm not afraid, Frank.

You're an idiot.

 

[David White]

"Scott in SoCal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:36:51 GMT, Alan Baker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 21, 1:01 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > In article
>>> > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>> >
>>> > DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > On Feb 20, 6:30 pm, DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > zle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825
>>> > >
>>> > > ... Scooters suck <WAY/> less
>>> > > than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they were
>>> > > electric motors they would probably suck even less.
>>> >
>>> > Riiiiight....
>>> >
>>> > ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter.
>>>
>>> If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's
>>> something seriously wrong.
>>
>>They can just walk 15 miles on their own? At age 9?
>
> Maybe if you didn't buy that (larger) house out in the middle of what
> used to be a corn field he wouldn't be 15 miles away from everything.


If I didn't, my kids would be going to the worst schools on the planet, and
getting shot at every other day. I choose to live where I do to keep my
family safe.
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[David White]

"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 11:35 am, "Bob Myers" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Which is why I think all people who can, should ride a M/Cycle to
> > prove they can drive adequately....failing the test can mean a failure
> > in
> > a
> > close casket.....not much to add to that...
>
> > Although some need a 4 wheeler for cargo space, 90% of them don't,
> > and gobble up the city's parking spaces horrendously. In my City, the
> > meter
> > maids and insurance companies dump on the M/C guys big time, in a vain
> > attempt to cause as much damage as possible to the environment and keep
> > the
> > accident flow coming their way.....
>
> Just wait for gas to get even pricier than it is now, and
> I think we'll start to see a lot more cagers looking
> longingly at two-wheeled transportation. In the
> cities, probably be a lot more scooters - even seen,
> say, downtown Taipei during rush hour?
>
> Bob M.

>Yeah, but prices are not nearly high enough to make >people move into
>scooters. Maybe above $8.

>Parking spaces could be another factor. Small compact >cities like Key
>West (pop. 25,000) rely a lot on scooters and bikes.

>And last but not least the factor that keeps most people >from trying
>two wheels is... FEAR. In the land of the dinosaurs, the >little furry
>animals must be very careful.

But, there are those who have not the co-ordination to ride motorcycles.

 

[David White]

"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Feb 20, 8:12 pm, "P. Roehling" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > You are not very clever, are you?
>
> And then...
>
> > Yet I don't see any reason that you may feel threaten by bicycles. The
> > opposite is true though.
>
> Now: exactly who was it you were accusing of being "not very clever"?

You don't even have to be clever to get it.

It means in plain English that bicycles, scooters and motorcycles are
threatened by SUVs and not the other way around it.

And you know this how???

 

[Bill Sornson]

Brian Huntley wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>>> If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's
>>> something seriously wrong.
>> One of my coworkers lives in a small town. They borrow a neighboring
>> towns police force, and fire is volunteer. Nice town. His 12-year-
>> old son plays hockey. Some games are at 6AM, in Boston. Even if the
>> kid could get to the nearest train station, 10 miles away, with all
>> of his gear, there are no trains running that early. Other games
>> are in Plaistow, NH - there's no way to get there by train. Others
>> are out west, and if he makes the playoffs he'll be traveling out of
>> state. He's too young to work, and too young to drive. How do you
>> suggest he gets himself and all his equipment to his games?
>
> The somthing that's seriously wrong there is the hockey league, that
> expects kids and their parents to drive all over creation like that.
> If they must travel that far to find competition, why the heck doesn't
> the team meet at the local arena and have a team bus or something? Or
> better, why travel so darned far?

What business is it of yours?

Bill "Nanny State here we come" S.

 

[Bill Sornson]

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:36:51 GMT, Alan Baker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 21, 1:01 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>
>>>> DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 6:30 pm, DennisTheBald <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> zle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825
>>>>>
>>>>> ... Scooters suck <WAY/> less
>>>>> than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they were
>>>>> electric motors they would probably suck even less.
>>>>
>>>> Riiiiight....
>>>>
>>>> ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter.
>>>
>>> If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's
>>> something seriously wrong.
>>
>> They can just walk 15 miles on their own? At age 9?
>
> Maybe if you didn't buy that (larger) house out in the middle of what
> used to be a corn field he wouldn't be 15 miles away from everything.

What business is it of yours?

Bill "Nanny State here we come" S.

 

[donquijote1954]

On Feb 21, 9:55 pm, Scott in SoCal <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:16:40 -0500, "Christopher von Volborth"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >So who is the ultimate judge of who is and who isn't capable of dealing with
> >the challenge of American motorized traffic?  
>
> The DMV?
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The DMV issues nowadays something that may be called a License to
Kill...

"Current driving tests measure rudimentary knowledge of the rules of
the road. At some point in a driver's life-usually very early- you
must prove your ability to operate a vehicle under minimally difficult
circumstances. Once licensed, many Americans are not road tested again
for dozens of years. Adding cellular phones, babies, fast food,
gigantic Sport Utility Vehicles, and other distractions-on top of a
general increase in traffic and average speeds-only brews more
gridlock and carnage."

very interesting website
http://www.sustainableenterprises.com/Community/drivtest.htm

 

[donquijote1954]

On Feb 22, 12:53 am, "David White" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:b9de4fee-2b11-40dc-b117-ab72c197fea8@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 21, 1:01 pm, Alan Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > > DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 20, 6:30 pm, DennisTheBald <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > zle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825
>
> > > > > ... Scooters suck <WAY/> less
> > > > > than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they were
> > > > > electric motors they would probably suck even less.
>
> > > > Riiiiight....
>
> > > > ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter.
>
> > > If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's
> > > something seriously wrong.
>
> > > - Frank Krygowski- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > One of my coworkers lives in a small town. They borrow a neighboring
> > towns police force, and fire is volunteer. Nice town. His 12-year-
> > old son plays hockey. Some games are at 6AM, in Boston. Even if the
> > kid could get to the nearest train station, 10 miles away, with all of
> > his gear, there are no trains running that early. Other games are in
> > Plaistow, NH - there's no way to get there by train. Others are out
> > west, and if he makes the playoffs he'll be traveling out of state.
> > He's too young to work, and too young to drive. How do you suggest he
> > gets himself and all his equipment to his games?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> >We are talking about retiring drivers that don't have any >need for
> >cars other that long trips. Most trips in America fall in >the short
> >range category, easily covered by bikes, scooters and >public
> >transportation.
>
> Come to So. Calif. Public transportation is a joke. Our jobs are upwards of
> 50 miles from our homes. Please tell us what you consider a "Short Range"
> trip.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Going to the supermarket. How many Americans use a bike to go for
grocery store? I do... Actually, that's the only place I can go
without facing the beasts out there.

You may also should be able to go places in your community, if any.

 

[donquijote1954]

On Feb 22, 1:06 am, "David White" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ce2543e5-da33-46d5-aa63-e85ce03fa5d3@c33g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 20, 11:35 am, "Bob Myers" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > Which is why I think all people who can, should ride a M/Cycle to
> > > prove they can drive adequately....failing the test can mean a failure
> > > in
> > > a
> > > close casket.....not much to add to that...
>
> > > Although some need a 4 wheeler for cargo space, 90% of them don't,
> > > and gobble up the city's parking spaces horrendously. In my City, the
> > > meter
> > > maids and insurance companies dump on the M/C guys big time, in a vain
> > > attempt to cause as much damage as possible to the environment and keep
> > > the
> > > accident flow coming their way.....
>
> > Just wait for gas to get even pricier than it is now, and
> > I think we'll start to see a lot more cagers looking
> > longingly at two-wheeled transportation. In the
> > cities, probably be a lot more scooters - even seen,
> > say, downtown Taipei during rush hour?
>
> > Bob M.
> >Yeah, but prices are not nearly high enough to make >people move into
> >scooters. Maybe above $8.
>
>  >Parking spaces could be another factor. Small compact >cities like Key
>
> >West (pop. 25,000) rely a lot on scooters and bikes.
> >And last but not least the factor that keeps most people >from trying
> >two wheels is... FEAR. In the land of the dinosaurs, the >little furry
> >animals must be very careful.
>
> But, there are those who have not the co-ordination to ride motorcycles.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

True, then they can ride scooters or bicycles. By the way, I'll be
getting my hands shortly on a used Harley, borrowed then who knows.
Exciting, no? Never had anything bigger than 450cc, and this is like
1200cc or something. But the convinience of a scooter is hard to
match. And how about the economy?

 

[donquijote1954]

On Feb 22, 1:08 am, "David White" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
> On Feb 20, 8:12 pm, "P. Roehling" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > > You are not very clever, are you?
>
> > And then...
>
> > > Yet I don't see any reason that you may feel threaten by bicycles. The
> > > opposite is true though.
>
> > Now: exactly who was it you were accusing of being "not very clever"?
>
> You don't even have to be clever to get it.
>
> It means in plain English that bicycles, scooters and motorcycles are
> threatened by SUVs and not the other way around it.
>
> And you know this how???

Well, tell when in the collision between motorcycle and SUV, the SUV
comes out destroyed and then I'll reconsider my statement.

 

[donquijote1954]

On Feb 21, 9:56 pm, "Jack May" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> As I said to you previously there is a lot of money and work going into
> developing cars that radically drop the death and accident rates. You have
> presented nothing that will be anywhere near as effective as what is now
> being developed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, the Germans and Nordics seem to emphasize *safety now*, not in
some distant future. People are needless dying now as we speak. AND WE
EVEN HAVE SOME HIGH TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE *NOT* PUT TO USE. Case in
point is the steering wheel immobilizer that senses the alcohol in
your breath. That would be a nice way to prevent DUIs, but like the
book "It's No Accident" states, the government turns a blind eye to
it. Too much money --and too many lawyers and MADD-- involved in that
business.

 

[Brian Huntley]

On Feb 22, 1:42 am, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Brian Huntley wrote:
> > The somthing that's seriously wrong there is the hockey league, that
> > expects kids and their parents to drive all over creation like that.
> > If they must travel that far to find competition, why the heck doesn't
> > the team meet at the local arena and have a team bus or something? Or
> > better, why travel so darned far?
>
> What business is it of yours?

Well, if that were the case here, it would prevent my son from playing
hockey because I don't have a car.

Meanwhile, I share the planet with your son's team and the 30-odd cars
that drive around for every game they play.

That's what business it is of mine.