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Jail violence is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. It's widely ignored and that is wrong.
We are not supposed to be a third world country, but our jails may as well be. :-(
When a local girl and her husband sexually molested and murdered a couple of teenage girls, one of them her own sister, she ended up ratting him out and getting a special deal, only 12 years. He got live and dangerous offender designation, so he stays in jail.
You're talking about Karla Homolka (now known as Leanne Teale) and Paul Bernardo, yes?
From what I understand, "sexually molested" doesn't begin to describe what they did to those girls before they murdered them...
Her "special deal" was made BEFORE they found the incriminating videotapes, which clearly showed her active and willing participation in the rapes and torture of the victims (IIRC the actual murders were never taped).
I feel for her son, who was born this past February. That poor kid doesn't stand a chance.
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Her parents will go to their grave wishing they had the IQ to teach her not to go traipsing about ALONE. There was no way to know that particular preditor was out there but it is absolulutely moronic not to realize thsat preditors are always on the lookout for easy prey.
There is a couple not too far from here who are probably wishing they had done things a lot differently. Their daughter was locked out of the house because she had broken her curfew. She was abducted, sexually assaulted and murdered by a husband and wife set of serial killers after the male half of the murderous pair found her sitting all alone in a park early in the morning.
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I feel for her son, who was born this past February. That poor kid doesn't stand a chance.
since part of her plea deal was that she never have contact with *any* children, how is it that the baby wasn't removed at birth?
She is not incarcerated. She is a free citizen, having served her full sentence. The law does not have the power to coerce her into any action against her will.
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Her parents will go to their grave wishing they had the IQ to teach her not to go traipsing about ALONE. There was no way to know that particular preditor was out there but it is absolulutely moronic not to realize thsat preditors are always on the lookout for easy prey. Had that poor girl been with even one friend the cowardly preditor (and make no mistake about it, they are all cowards) would not have chose her... he chose her for one reason and one reason only, she was alone, and obviously alone. Hashing and rehashing all the what ifs is nothing but mental masturbation... do not go alone!
That's just not practical for many of us! If I never went out alone, I'd never, ever get any time to myself. Some people do not have anyone to go with them. There are so many different situations. It's just not practical, I say. I *do* make my children go in groups, though. I have 3 children(all girls), and if they go anywhere, even to the restroom in an public place, they are to be with a friend. Sometimes I feel like I'm going overboard, but hell, it's good for my peace of mind. Marie
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The thing is, this was a teenager. And sadly, her parents didn't teach her these basic rules. Mine did. I feel for the family.
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I live here in KC and she was abducted from my Target store. Just want to clear one thing up. Yes, she was 18 and it was in broad daylight. As for her family not teaching her the basic rules- He left the store before her and waited on her. He ran up to her very quickly and she fought back. Not sure what else she could have done. How could she have known a very normal looking guy in the parking lot who appeared to be also just going to his car would RUSH her like that? Do you recommend we never go to our car if there is ANYONE else in the lot?
Her parents will go to their grave wishing they had the IQ to teach her not to go traipsing about ALONE. There was no way to know that particular preditor was out there but it is absolulutely moronic not to realize thsat preditors are always on the lookout for easy prey. Had that poor girl been with even one friend the cowardly preditor (and make no mistake about it, they are all cowards) would not have chose her... he chose her for one reason and one reason only, she was alone, and obviously alone. Hashing and rehashing all the what ifs is nothing but mental masturbation... do not go alone!
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enigma <[email hidden]> scripsit in news:[email hidden]:
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I feel for her son, who was born this past February. That poor kid doesn't stand a chance.
since part of her plea deal was that she never have contact with *any* children, how is it that the baby wasn't removed at birth?
She is not incarcerated. She is a free citizen, having served her full sentence. The law does not have the power to coerce her into any action against her will.
see, it doesn't work that way in the US. if she was here, Child Protective Services would have dogged her through her pregnancy & been there to take the child into "protective custody" at birth. she would not have taken it home. it's unlikely she would even have been allowed to hold it before it was taken from her. lee
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since part of her plea deal was that she never have contact with *any* children, how is it that the baby wasn't removed at birth?
She is not incarcerated. She is a free citizen, having served her full sentence. The law does not have the power to coerce her into any action against her will.
see, it doesn't work that way in the US.
Your point being?
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enigma <[email hidden]> scripsit in news:[email hidden]:
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> since part of her plea deal was that she never have > contact with *any* children, how is it that the baby > wasn't removed at birth?
She is not incarcerated. She is a free citizen, having served her full sentence. The law does not have the power to coerce her into any action against her will.
see, it doesn't work that way in the US.
Your point being?
if the court ordered no contact with any children, why can she have a baby & keep it? she's breaking a court order. i'm just curious. i don't personally believe that just because she was involved in the horrific murder of her sister (& others) it really doesn't mean she can't be a good parent to her own child. in the US she just wouldn't ever get a chance to prove it. lee
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>> since part of her plea deal was that she never have >> contact with *any* children, how is it that the baby >> wasn't removed at birth?
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> She is not incarcerated. She is a free citizen, having > served her full sentence. The law does not have the power > to coerce her into any action against her will.
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see, it doesn't work that way in the US.
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Your point being?
if the court ordered no contact with any children, why can she have a baby & keep it? she's breaking a court order. i'm just curious. i don't personally believe that just because she was involved in the horrific murder of her sister (& others) it really doesn't mean she can't be a good parent to her own child. in the US she just wouldn't ever get a chance to prove it.
To tell you the truth, I have not followed the baby part of the story, but I would suspect that the lifting of all 14 bans imposed on her in June 2005
by a subsequent court order in December 2005 makes it somewhat difficult to restrict her movements and impede her constitutionally protected right of association:
by a subsequent court order in December 2005 makes it somewhat difficult to restrict her movements and impede her constitutionally protected right of association:
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thank you. i'd not seen or heard anything since the bans were imposed. i guess the lifting didn't strike the US media as newsworthy
Why does that not surprise me? :-)
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