Re: WHY???

jmcquown said:

Scott said:

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Scott wrote:
>> This young girl could not have been nearly so popular as the media
>> portrays or she'd not have been out to a mall all on her own.
> With today's independently-mined women they're going to travel alone
> more.

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I don't take someone with me to the grocery store, either. I have
pepper spray on my keychain. A rule of thumb is *never* leave the
store still fumbling to put your wallet away; I don't care how
[censored] the people behind you in the checkout line may get. I
step out of the way (as best as possible) and put away my wallet and
securely close my purse, but hey, if they want my purse they can
have it! *Always* have your keys in your hand as you walk out to
the car. Keep your eyes open, scan the area for people who look
like they are just hanging out. Don't park next to vans (hard to do
if they pull in after you arrive) or other large vehicles that may
conceal someone hiding (I drive a small car). Always park in well
lit areas.

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The thing is, this was a teenager. And sadly, her parents didn't
teach her these basic rules. Mine did. I feel for the family.

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Jill

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Maybe they ought to teach that in schools. Can't depend on the
parents.

I don't think it should be up to the schools. Teachers are already
underpaid and under-appreciated. They have classrooms with more kids than
any I was ever in. But then again, being sent to the principal's office
used to actually put some fear into them. And they could paddle a kid for
acting like an idiot. Teachers have enough on their hands without having to
play parents, too. Just my 2 cents.

Safety is everyone's responsibility.

Sheldon

On Jun 7, 3:24 pm, "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote:
At the same time, we have the news reporters concentrating on

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spoiled Paris Hilton and her having served five days of her original 45
days in prison "but will wear an ankle bracelet and be under house
arrest". Things seem on tilt, somehow.

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Counting time was actually 3 days & 3 hours. One can speculate what
the medical problem is.
De Dee

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Sheldon said:

Safety is everyone's responsibility.

Sheldon

Absolutely.

The police are not obligated to defend you.
That's been established.
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Becca said:

elaine said:

Crazy! Would that all people in jail are moved to house arrest
because they cannot eat the food and endangering their health.

Spoiled or what..........

e.

elaine

The judge said Paris would not be allowed any alternative jail methods
or electronic monitoring, but now she has been "reassigned" to house
arrest. I should not comment, because I have no idea what really
happened, but this makes it look like her attorneys handed the judge a
big, fat contribution to his reelection campaign. I am not saying this
happened, but this is what people will assume.

It is nice to be rich. LOL I am only guessing, of course.

Becca

Perhaps they can reassign the house arrest to a Motel 6 in Oakland or
something...

And all meals served in a restaurant full of breast-feeding mothers; that'll
show her, eh Pete?!

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Becca said:

elaine wrote:

> Crazy! Would that all people in jail are moved to house arrest
> because they cannot eat the food and endangering their health.
>
> Spoiled or what..........
>
> e.
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> elaine

The judge said Paris would not be allowed any alternative jail methods
or electronic monitoring, but now she has been "reassigned" to house
arrest. I should not comment, because I have no idea what really
happened, but this makes it look like her attorneys handed the judge a
big, fat contribution to his reelection campaign. I am not saying this
happened, but this is what people will assume.

It is nice to be rich. LOL I am only guessing, of course.

Becca

Perhaps they can reassign the house arrest to a Motel 6 in Oakland or
something...

And all meals served in a restaurant full of breast-feeding mothers; that'll
show her, eh Pete?!

Might be the first time she figured out what those things are supposed
to be for...

Dave Smith said:

Becca said:

The judge said Paris would not be allowed any alternative jail methods
or electronic monitoring, but now she has been "reassigned" to house
arrest. I should not comment, because I have no idea what really
happened, but this makes it look like her attorneys handed the judge a
big, fat contribution to his reelection campaign. I am not saying this
happened, but this is what people will assume.

It is nice to be rich. LOL I am only guessing, of course.

Perhaps there was a matter of Hilton's personal safety. Prisons are full of
nasty women and they were probably planning on giving her a little prison
justice just for something to do.

According to the news she was in a private cell, and even if she wasn't,
why should she get preferential treatment to other felons? She was
caught driving drunk more than once and drove again after her license
was suspended. I wonder what the penalty would have been if she had
killed someone while driving under the influence....

gloria p

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Dave Smith said:

Becca wrote:

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The judge said Paris would not be allowed any alternative jail methods
or electronic monitoring, but now she has been "reassigned" to house
arrest. I should not comment, because I have no idea what really
happened, but this makes it look like her attorneys handed the judge a
big, fat contribution to his reelection campaign. I am not saying this
happened, but this is what people will assume.

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It is nice to be rich. LOL I am only guessing, of course.

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Perhaps there was a matter of Hilton's personal safety. Prisons are full of
nasty women and they were probably planning on giving her a little prison
justice just for something to do.

According to the news she was in a private cell, and even if she wasn't,
why should she get preferential treatment to other felons? She was
caught driving drunk more than once and drove again after her license
was suspended. I wonder what the penalty would have been if she had
killed someone while driving under the influence....

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Power/money=preferential treatment- just look at our President and his
good ol' boys club! They should all be in prison.

Nancy Young said:

I don't know how much you can do about some guy following
you out of a store. You can try to be safe, do all the right things,
and some murderer can get to you. It's a shame there are people
like him in the world and no punishment is good enough for them.

nancy

They are now reporting that there is evidence that she was stalked.
If she is to blame for anything, it is that she should have fought
tooth and nail not to get in a car with the guy. In these situations,
if you let anyone take you to a second location, you're dead.

When I was single (35 years) I went many places alone, all the time,
walked my dog late at night alone, and didn't think much about it at
all. I think a lot of these incidents happen because the victim is in
the wrong place at the wrong time.

-L.

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Nancy Young said:

I don't know how much you can do about some guy following
you out of a store. You can try to be safe, do all the right things,
and some murderer can get to you. It's a shame there are people
like him in the world and no punishment is good enough for them.

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When I was single (35 years) I went many places alone, all the time,
walked my dog late at night alone, and didn't think much about it at
all. I think a lot of these incidents happen because the victim is in
the wrong place at the wrong time.

Absolutely. And I still go out by myself all the time and that is not
going to change. People are killed by people breaking into their
home, are we supposed to have someone come babysit us, too?
Give me a break.

nancy

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Nancy Young said:

"-L." <[email hidden]> wrote

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Nancy Young said:

I don't know how much you can do about some guy following
you out of a store. You can try to be safe, do all the right things,
and some murderer can get to you. It's a shame there are people
like him in the world and no punishment is good enough for them.

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When I was single (35 years) I went many places alone, all the time,
walked my dog late at night alone, and didn't think much about it at
all. I think a lot of these incidents happen because the victim is in
the wrong place at the wrong time.

Absolutely. And I still go out by myself all the time and that is not
going to change. People are killed by people breaking into their
home, are we supposed to have someone come babysit us, too?
Give me a break.

nancy

One has to take responsibility for their own defense. Nobody is going to
do it for you.

Home defense is what the Mossberg is for...
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Home defense is what the Mossberg is for...
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I don't know what Mossberg is but if we would shoot a burgler, guess who
would be prosecuted???

Only the criminals have unlicenced weapons.

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Home defense is what the Mossberg is for...
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I don't know what Mossberg is

Shotgun.

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but if we would shoot a burgler, guess who
would be prosecuted???

Only the criminals have unlicenced weapons.

So you can have a licensed weapon?

The vast majority of the time, all it takes to scare a criminal off is
brandishing.

You don't always have to shoot them.

But, is it better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6?
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"Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:omp_omelet->> I don't
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Shotgun.

Pah! David is laughing at me cos he knew that 🙂)

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but if we would shoot a burgler, guess who
would be prosecuted???

Only the criminals have unlicenced weapons.

So you can have a licensed weapon?

Yes but don't try to shoot anyone with it. In the house it must always be
locked in a secure gun cupboard and anyone and only the licencee is allowed
to know where those keys are kept.

O

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The vast majority of the time, all it takes to scare a criminal off is
brandishing.

You don't always have to shoot them.

But, is it better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6?
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Well, even if the 12 are more concerned with the rights of criminals than
their intended victims, you get out of jail eventually, not mny get back out
of their coffin!

David

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Home defense is what the Mossberg is for...
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I don't know what Mossberg is

Shotgun.

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but if we would shoot a burgler, guess who
would be prosecuted???

Only the criminals have unlicenced weapons.

So you can have a licensed weapon?

Not in the UK, unless perhaps you're a royal.

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The vast majority of the time, all it takes to scare a criminal off is
brandishing.

Sometimes just an obvious reach for that waistband holster is
sufficient.

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You don't always have to shoot them.

But, is it better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6?

Not in the country that seriously proposed banning kitchen knives.

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So you can have a licensed weapon?

Not in the UK, unless perhaps you're a royal.

of course you can. We are not royal!!!! But you have to prove you have a
reason, ie land to shoot over or gun club etc..

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Not in the country that seriously proposed banning kitchen knives.

Aye that is right enough🙁(

Omelet said:

One has to take responsibility for their own defense. Nobody
is going to do it for you.

Sure. Let's see. The incidence of getting murdered in the U.S.
is 6 per 100,000. Two to five times that of any civilized country,
but still way, way lower than many other causes of death such as
accidents, coronary disease and so on. And lower than the risk
in the U.S. one century ago.

The time spent learning how to use a firearm and remaining trained
so that you could reduce your odds of getting killed in a homicide
could be better spend avoiding far riskier activities. Say,
being in a motor vehicle. Or take the time you'd spend at the
shooting range and use it for aerobic exercise instead. You're
better off.

If you're packing a piece but spending lots of time on the road,
you're putting your personal safety at peril far more than an
individual who does neither of these. So, who is being more
responsible?

Steve

Puester said:

According to the news she was in a private cell, and even if she wasn't,
why should she get preferential treatment to other felons? She was
caught driving drunk more than once and drove again after her license
was suspended. I wonder what the penalty would have been if she had
killed someone while driving under the influence....

I don't dispute that she deserved some jail time. I was just trying to
point out that there are some real losers in jail and some of them like to
make a name for themselves by attacking more famous and celebrity
prisoners. She deserves to go to jail, but what she does not deserve is to
have her life endangered in a violent environment. It is like the issue of
convicted pedophiles who are put into protective custody. They deserve the
jail time, and since there is generally not a death sentence for those
crimes, or where there is it has to be a more humane method of execution,
we sure as hell don't throw them into a situation where they will be
subjected to vicious beatings and possible death.

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Pete C. said:

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You don't always have to shoot them.

But, is it better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6?

Not in the country that seriously proposed banning kitchen knives.

I read about that.

Idiocy.
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"Omelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:omp_omelet->> I don't
know what Mossberg is

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Shotgun.

Pah! David is laughing at me cos he knew that 🙂)

Not everybody knows common gun brands. <G>

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but if we would shoot a burgler, guess who
would be prosecuted???

Only the criminals have unlicenced weapons.

So you can have a licensed weapon?

Yes but don't try to shoot anyone with it. In the house it must always be
locked in a secure gun cupboard and anyone and only the licencee is allowed
to know where those keys are kept.

O

That is what I have read.
Not many people are willing to face on tho'.
Even the sound of the pump action will scare most off.

I keep mine next to my bed in it's case.
It is loaded (but not chambered) with #3 buckshot.

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The vast majority of the time, all it takes to scare a criminal off is
brandishing.

You don't always have to shoot them.

But, is it better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6?

Well, even if the 12 are more concerned with the rights of criminals than
their intended victims, you get out of jail eventually, not mny get back out
of their coffin!

David

Exactly.
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> So you can have a licensed weapon?

Not in the UK, unless perhaps you're a royal.

of course you can. We are not royal!!!! But you have to prove you have a
reason, ie land to shoot over or gun club etc..

I had understood that you could own long guns for hunting.
One very cool thing that is very much overlooked are air guns.

Air guns are not classified as firearms, not even here. :-)
It is not legal to discharge firearms within the city limits.
BB/pellet air driven guns are exempt.

There are Air guns available now that can take down an Elk...
It's being kept a bit quiet as nobody wants the powers that be to pay
close attention to current pneumatic technology:

http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/

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Not in the country that seriously proposed banning kitchen knives.

Aye that is right enough🙁(

I believe you can still own an air rifle?
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