Re: This group is full of morons



On Mar 13, 9:28 pm, Howard Kveck <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>    It's very simple - you heaped scorn on the guy for "only having a bruised foot"
> when you have no idea the extent of the damage. Perhaps you wouldn't be soquick to
> do that if you'd ever had a really serious impact and the bruising that comes with
> it. It seems to me that you really have a need to have your chosen sport be the
> gnarliest, baddest, most dangerous one around - probably because that gives your wee
> life meaning.
>
> --
>                               tanx,
>                                Howard
>
>                         Whatever happened to
>                         Leon Trotsky?
>                         He got an icepick
>                         That made his ears burn.
>
>                      remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

You're making too much sense Howard.
I guess his sport would have to be competitively juggling, running,
20" bar, freshly sharpened chain saws, or something like that, while
running a marathon so it's aerobic too.
Bill C
 
On Mar 13, 9:29 pm, Howard Kveck <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>    I agree, but one problem is that Spitzer did spend a lot of years being the face
> of righteous indignation over corporate scandals. He came across as a bit of an ultra
> straight-and-narrow guy. So he's out, while Louisiana's David Vitter is still a
> sitting Senator (and got a standing ovation when he returned to the Senatefrom the
> GOP side - odd, considering how they responded to Clinton's marital problems).
> Vitter, of course, had a long running affair with prostitutes exposed (andhis thing
> was apparently a diaper fetish) and had made a name for himself as a supermorals
> guy. He pushed abstinence-only sex ed and is rabidly anti gay marriage/union, arguing
> it will "destroy traditional marriage." Apparently, going to hookers and dressing in
> diapers doesn't mess with marriage... I don't care if Vitter's in or not -it's the
> double standard that bugs me.
>
> --
>                               tanx,
>                                Howard
>
>                         Whatever happened to
>                         Leon Trotsky?
>                         He got an icepick
>                         That made his ears burn.
>
>                      remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

I agree with you on aolmost all of it, but I do think Spitzer was a
perfectly justified target for his past behavior. he was one of those
folks, proudly, ruining everyone else's life for the same **** he was
doing secretly. The double standard needs to go too. It's BS. As
another example a perfectly good human being gets fired from Hillary's
campaign for saying that some Americans might have a problem with
Obama's drug use, and that's become a totally taboo issue while those
same people are still saying and writing that bush is an alcoholic
cokehead.
Shaheen was right, it will become an issue, and hypocrites come in
all stripes. My question on the Spitzer thing is how much taxpayer
money went to fund his little party? This paralells the televangelist
scum out there quite nicely.
Seems pretty common that those crusading the loudest are the dirtiest
in the end.
Bill C
 
On Mar 14, 1:06 am, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <rcousine-8BCCD2.21032212032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
>  Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > For that matter, I think NASCAR has a similar problem: extremely long,
> > largely indecisive races that essentially come down to which of the
> > drivers in the front 10 manages to be the cleverest during the final lap..
>
> I watched NASCAR races for many months not too long ago.
> It was good enough, but they ruined it for me with the
> yellow flags for hallucinations, and the Daytona gift
> to Dale Earnhardt II the year after his dad died.
> Too many decided outcomes.
>
> --
> Michael Press

Lots of folks are agreeing with you in the last year or two and tuning
out. The "debris" cautions that seem to favor a few drivers are one
big issue. They're trying pretty hard to screw it up, and what really
sucks is how much they've jacked the prices up to go to local tracks,
especially with a family.
Bill C
 
On Mar 13, 9:06 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <rcousine-8BCCD2.21032212032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
> Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > For that matter, I think NASCAR has a similar problem: extremely long,
> > largely indecisive races that essentially come down to which of the
> > drivers in the front 10 manages to be the cleverest during the final lap.
>
> I watched NASCAR races for many months not too long ago.
> It was good enough, but they ruined it for me with the
> yellow flags for hallucinations, and the Daytona gift
> to Dale Earnhardt II the year after his dad died.
> Too many decided outcomes.
>

Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.
-Paul
 
On Mar 14, 1:05 pm, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
> accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.
> -Paul

Have you looked at the clowns running cycling? Listened to the whining
crybabies riding the bikes, lately?
Buffoonery is pretty damned widespread.
Bill C
 
In article
<8b4e6457-a8ae-491f-ab61-789289acebf7@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mar 13, 9:06 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article
> > <rcousine-8BCCD2.21032212032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
> > Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > For that matter, I think NASCAR has a similar problem: extremely long,
> > > largely indecisive races that essentially come down to which of the
> > > drivers in the front 10 manages to be the cleverest during the final lap.
> >
> > I watched NASCAR races for many months not too long ago.
> > It was good enough, but they ruined it for me with the
> > yellow flags for hallucinations, and the Daytona gift
> > to Dale Earnhardt II the year after his dad died.
> > Too many decided outcomes.
> >
>
> Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
> accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.

So you criticized with very limited knowledge.
Suppose the entertainment value far outstripped
your limited understanding and criticisms?
It could happen.

--
Michael Press
 
On Mar 13, 5:28 pm, Howard Kveck <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > But seriously, you have an uncanny ability to look at a set of facts-
> > Tony Stewart is in a spectacular crash at 150 mph and walks -er- limps
> > away with a bruised foot- and immediately ask the crucial question-
> > "How badly is his foot bruised?"
>
> It's very simple - you heaped scorn on the guy for "only having a bruised foot"
> when you have no idea the extent of the damage. Perhaps you wouldn't be so quick to
> do that if you'd ever had a really serious impact and the bruising that comes with
> it.

Your reading comprehension and logic skills are very poor. I didn't
scorn Tony Stewart for "only having a bruised foot", I scorned him for
being a fat slob. It's you I heaped scorn on for your moronic focus
on his friggin' foot. You keep coming back to "How badly is his foot
bruised?" I really don't give a damn, the essential point is that
NASCAR drivers *can* crash at high speed with very minor injuries-
"without a scratch" is technically true, as Stewart had a bruise, not
a scratch. Got that? I never said they don't get hurt, that's a straw
man argument you made up.

Further, we can infer that Stewart wasn't hurt too badly in that crash
(UAW-Dodge 400 - March 2, 2008) because he finished 2nd in the Kobalt
Tools 500 - March 9, 2008. Are you happy now? I looked it up and now I
*do* have an "idea of the extent of the damage" to his friggin' foot.
It's MINOR as a week later he's back to racing.

By contrast, a cyclist who crashes at high speed is going to get torn
up- at a minimum, road rash, and if they hit anything hard, a lot
worse. Beloki wasn't racing a week after that nasty crash in the TDF.

> It seems to me that you really have a need to have your chosen sport be the
> gnarliest, baddest, most dangerous one around - probably because that gives your wee
> life meaning.

Ah- so you're a psychologist? Well, you're definitely *not* a rocket
scientist. It's simply a fact that "NASCAR drivers are wusses compared
with bike racers." I've given lots of reasons to back that up, from
racing in the rain to the relative risk of injury. Now, I can see you
read at a 3rd grade level, and you're struggling with all these words:
"NASCAR drivers are wusses compared with bike racers." Your feeble
mind is only getting as far as "NASCAR drivers are wusses."

That's the root problem here. You can't read.
-Paul
 
On Mar 14, 9:29 am, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 1:05 pm, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
> > accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.
> > -Paul
>
> Have you looked at the clowns running cycling? Listened to the whining
> crybabies riding the bikes, lately?
> Buffoonery is pretty damned widespread.
> Bill C

I haven't seen cyclists throwing helmets at each other, or
deliberately ramming into each other. That sort of behavior seems
widespread in NASCAR.
-Paul
 
On Mar 14, 3:07 pm, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 9:29 am, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 14, 1:05 pm, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
> > > accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.
> > > -Paul
>
> > Have you looked at the clowns running cycling? Listened to the whining
> > crybabies riding the bikes, lately?
> >  Buffoonery is pretty damned widespread.
> > Bill C
>
> I haven't seen cyclists throwing helmets at each other, or
> deliberately ramming into each other. That sort of behavior seems
> widespread in NASCAR.
> -Paul

You haven't been to many races then have you? Check the list of
suspensions. It's a lot less widespread in nascar than riders pissing
on peoples front lawns, including the local church on a sunday
morning, flipping off cars, screaming at cops, etc...Riders do stupid
**** too. Just not in your world it seems. Ever seen Myerson's scar?
How about Gagioli's 2x4?
Bill C
 
Paul G. wrote:
> On Mar 14, 9:29 am, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 1:05 pm, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
>>> accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.
>>> -Paul
>> Have you looked at the clowns running cycling? Listened to the whining
>> crybabies riding the bikes, lately?
>> Buffoonery is pretty damned widespread.
>> Bill C
>
> I haven't seen cyclists throwing helmets at each other, or
> deliberately ramming into each other. That sort of behavior seems
> widespread in NASCAR.
> -Paul

Riders throw bidons instead, and lean into each other with their helmets.
 
"Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> That's the root problem here. You can't read.

Uhh, Paul - you're trying to argue with Howard Kveck? Isn't that like
dancing with a skunk?

It's time that we start trying to get the group back to what it originally
was - a discussion forum for bicycle racing with an occasional foray into
politics when the racing is really slow in the winter.

A large percentage of the posters here aren't cyclists anymore but instead
are simply here to argue and call names because it makes them feel
fulfilled. Let's ignore those people?

Bill C. is a good guy, as is Michael Baldwin though both slip now and again.
There are several people I simply ignore now and Kveck has been at the top
of that list for a year.
 
On Mar 14, 9:56 am, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <8b4e6457-a8ae-491f-ab61-789289ace...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 9:06 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <rcousine-8BCCD2.21032212032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>,
> > > Ryan Cousineau <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > For that matter, I think NASCAR has a similar problem: extremely long,
> > > > largely indecisive races that essentially come down to which of the
> > > > drivers in the front 10 manages to be the cleverest during the finallap.
>
> > > I watched NASCAR races for many months not too long ago.
> > > It was good enough, but they ruined it for me with the
> > > yellow flags for hallucinations, and the Daytona gift
> > > to Dale Earnhardt II the year after his dad died.
> > > Too many decided outcomes.
>
> > Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
> > accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.
>
> So you criticized with very limited knowledge.
> Suppose the entertainment value far outstripped
> your limited understanding and criticisms?
> It could happen.
>
> --
> Michael Press

"you criticized with very limited knowledge." Fair enough. But it
sounds like I need to point out to you that it was a relative
comparison, NASCAR vs cycling, not strictly a criticism. It doesn't
take a lot of knowledge to know that the TOC riders raced in the rain,
while the NASCAR race was stopped; chain smoking fat guys can win
NASCAR races, not a possibility in cycling. etc etc.

"Suppose the entertainment value far outstripped your limited
understanding and criticisms?"
Uh... aren't you the guy who said "they ruined it for me"? It doesn't
sound like "the entertainment value" you are deriving from NASCAR is
doing much "outstripping", let alone "far outstripping". It sounds
like in the end, you reached the same conclusion I did- "NASCAR ain't
worth watching."

It's a relative thing- I'd rather watch NASCAR than, say bowling, but
it's pretty low on my list. I'm not likely to run out of more
interesting things to do with my time. Maybe you have fewer choices.

But I'm beginning to like this Tony Stewart. In looking up the
condition of his friggin' foot for Le Curé I found this criticism of
NASCAR:

Tony Stewart, on his radio show in April, 2007:
"I guess NASCAR thinks, 'Hey, wrestling worked, and it was for the
most part staged, so I guess it's going to work in racing, too,." "I
can't understand how long the fans are going to let NASCAR treat them
like they're stupid before the fans finally turn on NASCAR. "I don't
know that they've run a fair race all year."

There, does that make you feel better? He criticized NASCAR with
unlimited knowledge, and as luck would have it, he's comparing NASCAR
to professional wrestling too. I didn't do half bad, considering I was
criticizing "with very limited knowledge."

-Paul
 
On Mar 14, 11:45 am, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 3:07 pm, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 9:29 am, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 14, 1:05 pm, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
> > > > accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.
> > > > -Paul
>
> > > Have you looked at the clowns running cycling? Listened to the whining
> > > crybabies riding the bikes, lately?
> > > Buffoonery is pretty damned widespread.
> > > Bill C
>
> > I haven't seen cyclists throwing helmets at each other, or
> > deliberately ramming into each other. That sort of behavior seems
> > widespread in NASCAR.
> > -Paul
>
> You haven't been to many races then have you? Check the list of
> suspensions. It's a lot less widespread in nascar than riders pissing
> on peoples front lawns, including the local church on a sunday
> morning, flipping off cars, screaming at cops, etc...Riders do stupid
> **** too. Just not in your world it seems. Ever seen Myerson's scar?
> How about Gagioli's 2x4?
> Bill C

Are you saying that there is the same amount of property destruction
and altercations in cycling as there is in NASCAR? I don't think
peeing on someone's lawn is in the same class as ramming a car and
doing many thousands of dollars in damage.
-Paul
 
On Mar 14, 11:58 am, Kyle Legate <[email protected]> wrote:
> Paul G. wrote:
> > On Mar 14, 9:29 am, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Mar 14, 1:05 pm, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> Sounds like my NASCAR- Professional Wrestling comparison was more
> >>> accurate than I realized. I was only referring to the buffoonery.
> >>> -Paul
> >> Have you looked at the clowns running cycling? Listened to the whining
> >> crybabies riding the bikes, lately?
> >> Buffoonery is pretty damned widespread.
> >> Bill C
>
> > I haven't seen cyclists throwing helmets at each other, or
> > deliberately ramming into each other. That sort of behavior seems
> > widespread in NASCAR.
> > -Paul
>
> Riders throw bidons instead, and lean into each other with their helmets.

Yeah, I think it would be a very serious thing if riders started
deliberately causing crashes and destroying property.
-Paul
 
On Mar 13, 8:52 am, Fred Fredburger
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:

> > But the concentration of absurd behavior in cycling has
> > reached operatic proportions.
>
> Here's where we disagree. I believe that absurd behavior in many forms
> of public life has reached operatic proportions. What's Britney Spears
> up to lately, and why does anyone care? The sniping between the Clinton
> and Obama campaigns is full of calculated absurdity.

Keith Olberman's near-endless rant a couple nights ago was one of the
funniest things I've seen on PoliTV since Zell Miller challenged Chris
Matthews to a duel. and... The Ferraro crater exposing democrats as
nothing more than savages is as good as any bike or nascar race.

What kind of life would we have if we could not laugh at our
neighbors? Disquieting? Yes -- but so what?

"Quiet places are boring places." -- BF, 1759

> People are getting PAID to think of this stuff and we
> choose our rulers based upon which of them produces
> absurdities the most effectively.

I did not choose my rulers.

> > It's a good life! I recommend it! The modest consumption of alcohol
> > doesn't seem to hurt, either.
>
> Very, very cool.

Yes, I too appreciate this drunken canadian's attitude. I shall toast
to him this coming happy hour.
 
On Mar 14, 12:03 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > That's the root problem here. You can't read.
>
> Uhh, Paul - you're trying to argue with Howard Kveck? Isn't that like
> dancing with a skunk?

I was thinking he's more like a squirrel. I encountered a squirrel on
one of my rides some years ago, and it started running beside the road
and zig zagging, wider and wider. The damn thing zigged right between
my wheels and <crunch> I accidentally killed it. Howard is like that
squirrel- he zig zags wildly, and stupidly gets himself crushed.

> A large percentage of the posters here aren't cyclists anymore but instead
> are simply here to argue

I'm still a cyclist, though I rode my last race back in 1976 . But I
am here to argue. NASCAR drivers are wusses compared to bike racers.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. ;-))

> Bill C. is a good guy, as is Michael Baldwin though both slip now and again.

Good to know.
-Paul
 
In article <[email protected]>, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
wrote:

> A large percentage of the posters here aren't cyclists anymore but instead
> are simply here to argue and call names because it makes them feel
> fulfilled.

And you lead the pack on that front.

> Let's ignore those people?
>
> Bill C. is a good guy, as is Michael Baldwin though both slip now and again.
> There are several people I simply ignore now and Kveck has been at the top
> of that list for a year.

That's because I prove you wrong over and over. Bummer for you, Tommykins.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mar 13, 5:28 pm, Howard Kveck <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > But seriously, you have an uncanny ability to look at a set of facts-
> > > Tony Stewart is in a spectacular crash at 150 mph and walks -er- limps
> > > away with a bruised foot- and immediately ask the crucial question-
> > > "How badly is his foot bruised?"
> >
> > It's very simple - you heaped scorn on the guy for "only having a bruised
> > foot" when you have no idea the extent of the damage. Perhaps you wouldn't be so
> > quick to do that if you'd ever had a really serious impact and the bruising that
> > comes with it.
>
> Your reading comprehension and logic skills are very poor. I didn't
> scorn Tony Stewart for "only having a bruised foot", I scorned him for
> being a fat slob.

Liar. See what you wrote right here:
________________________________
"Tony Stewart injured in hard accident at Las Vegas Motor Speedway
4 days ago, LAS VEGAS -- Two-time NASCAR champion Tony Stewart bruised
his foot, but was otherwise fine following a frightening crash Sunday
at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.

"I was kind of worried, my legs, my entire legs from my hips down were
just tingling," Stewart said. "And I had pain in my lower back and
that kind of scared me a little bit. I've not had my legs tingle like
that before. "I was kind of worried about, 'What's going on here?"'
Stewart wrecked 108 laps into the race when the right front tire on
his Toyota failed. It sent the car hard into the wall, and he
immediately called for help. "I'm hurt," he radioed his team before
slowly climbing from the car. He gingerly walked with the assistance
of two emergency personnel into a waiting car that took him to the
infield care centre.

**************************
What a wuss. "A bruised foot"!  Rumor has it when he radioed for help
he actually said "Mama! Mama!""
________________________________

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/f3ec82938f334b4f

It's you I heaped scorn on for your moronic focus
> on his friggin' foot. You keep coming back to "How badly is his foot
> bruised?" I really don't give a damn, the essential point is that
> NASCAR drivers *can* crash at high speed with very minor injuries-
> "without a scratch" is technically true, as Stewart had a bruise, not
> a scratch. Got that? I never said they don't get hurt, that's a straw
> man argument you made up.

Read the above and compare it to what your original post in this thread said. Not
the same, pinhead.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
 
In article <be840855-a83b-46c2-9678-9e831d4b5b7a@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 12:03 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> >
> > > That's the root problem here. You can't read.
> >
> > Uhh, Paul - you're trying to argue with Howard Kveck? Isn't that like
> > dancing with a skunk?
>
> I was thinking he's more like a squirrel. I encountered a squirrel on
> one of my rides some years ago, and it started running beside the road
> and zig zagging, wider and wider. The damn thing zigged right between
> my wheels and <crunch> I accidentally killed it. Howard is like that
> squirrel- he zig zags wildly, and stupidly gets himself crushed.

Your idea of "arguing" reminds me of the typical wingnut (of which Kunich is
leader of the pack) - you say retarded things then ignore reality when it's presented
to you and then claim VICTORY!!! and that you're "kicking ass." Heh. Funny stuff.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
 
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