Re: liquid nutrition



"JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
>> But you should have stayed in Europe for at least 3 months. You spent a
>> lot
>> of money to just get there. When I was last in Europe I stayed in
>> campgrounds and hostels and it did not cost me much at all. It is not a
>> question of affordability, but it is a question of wasting the resources
>> of
>> this earth for short pleasure trips which don't amount to a hill of
>> beans.
>> It is impossible to see anything of Europe in only a few weeks.

>
> What is you major malfunction. Are you incapable of comprehending the
> validity of another's point of view? Believe it or not this is not a
> sign of inherent weakness. Get over yourself Ed. You don't have all
> the answers, so you can refrain from pretending that you do. No one is
> buying it. Repeated now for the third time, since the logic escaped
> your poor powers of perception the first two times ... is any more jet
> fuel wasted if I go for a short stay versus a long one? You failed to
> reply to the rhetorical because the answer is obvious. Instead you
> restate you assumption as though repeating an absurd postulate would
> lend some persuasive relevancy to an unsubstantiated assertion. I
> repeat ... regardless of the length of stay, the exact same mass is
> transported the exact same distance, burning the exact same amount of
> jet fuel. No more of earth's resources are wasted on a short trip than
> on a long one. Are we clear on that now? Are we clear on that point
> now???


The above is not correct at all. If fools weren't flying all over the world
on senseless pressure trips, there would be less flying altogether, which
would be a very good thing since jet fuel is not only expensive but fouls
the atmosphere as well. Less airplane flying, less fuel consumption and less
pollution.

God, sometimes I am just so brilliant I amaze myself. Jim is quite right to
be envious of me.

> Are you deaf or just thick headed??? As previously stated, and with
> specific reasons given, it is just not practical for me to stay in
> Europe for 3 months. Furthermore, it is unnecessary for me to make
> extended stays having been to Europe almost every year of my past 30.
> I have been in most European countries and many of them several times
> over. I'd venture to say that I have visited more European countries
> that you have in your single 3 month miserly stay in the squalor of
> campgrounds and hostels, so you can stop your harping already.


No one should fly halfway around the world for only a couple of weeks. This
is extremely wasteful of resources as well as being totally dunderheaded.
For heaven's sakes, if I am going to Venice, I am going to spend a
considerable amount of time there, not just a few days.
[...]

>> So what did you do about your dogs? The entire newsgroup wants to know
>> and
>> is hanging on your every word.

>
> Your the only one wh seems to care ... the only one to made
> insinutations. The dogs were boarded at a private home whose pople
> have been carefully screened by our local anti-cruelty society. Are
> you happy now?


Well, yes. I am death on folks who are not kind to animals, whether pets or
wildlife. You are to be commended on your care for your dogs. Jim goes way
up in my estimation of him on this score!
[...]

>> Nay, if you had thought through the waste that your journey entailed, you
>> would have decided to stay home. No one should ever go anywhere if it is
>> not
>> for a sufficient length of time. Thus spake Zarathustra.

>
> More opinion stated as fact. The legth of stay was sufficient and
> having considered your preposterous, nonsnesical supposition, I made
> the right decision. Maybe if you read this through for a fourth time
> it would sink into that thick skull of yours...


"Nay, if you had thought through the waste that your journey entailed, you
would have decided to stay home. No one should ever go anywhere if it is not
for a sufficient length of time. Thus spake Zarathustra." - Ed Dolan
[...]

> Are you deaf or just thick headed??? As previously stated, and with
> specific reasons given, it is just not practical for me to stay in
> Europe for 3 months. Furthermore, it is unnecessary for me to make
> extended stays having been to Europe almost every year of my past 30.
> I have been in most European countries and many of them several times
> over. I'd venture to say that I have visited more European countries
> that you have in your single 3 month miserly stay in the squalor of
> campgrounds and hostels, so you can stop your harping already.


Even so, you are wasting the resources of the earth by your flitting about
so. To embark on a long journey, whether by jet airplane or more pedestrian
means, should be for a sufficient length of time to justify the expense and
trouble. I am very much against all this flitting about the globe for no
reason other than pleasure. A journey abroad ought be about an adventure of
the spirit. It should only be undertaken rarely and with great expectations.
I am a traveler; you are merely a tourist.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:

> [...]
> >> But you should have stayed in Europe for at least 3 months. You spent a
> >> lot
> >> of money to just get there. When I was last in Europe I stayed in
> >> campgrounds and hostels and it did not cost me much at all. It is not a
> >> question of affordability, but it is a question of wasting the resources
> >> of
> >> this earth for short pleasure trips which don't amount to a hill of
> >> beans.
> >> It is impossible to see anything of Europe in only a few weeks.

> >
> > What is you major malfunction. Are you incapable of comprehending the
> > validity of another's point of view? Believe it or not this is not a
> > sign of inherent weakness. Get over yourself Ed. You don't have all
> > the answers, so you can refrain from pretending that you do. No one is
> > buying it. Repeated now for the third time, since the logic escaped
> > your poor powers of perception the first two times ... is any more jet
> > fuel wasted if I go for a short stay versus a long one? You failed to
> > reply to the rhetorical because the answer is obvious. Instead you
> > restate you assumption as though repeating an absurd postulate would
> > lend some persuasive relevancy to an unsubstantiated assertion. I
> > repeat ... regardless of the length of stay, the exact same mass is
> > transported the exact same distance, burning the exact same amount of
> > jet fuel. No more of earth's resources are wasted on a short trip than
> > on a long one. Are we clear on that now? Are we clear on that point
> > now???

>
> The above is not correct at all. If fools weren't flying all over the world
> on senseless pressure trips, there would be less flying altogether, which
> would be a very good thing since jet fuel is not only expensive but fouls
> the atmosphere as well. Less airplane flying, less fuel consumption and less
> pollution.


Senseless is your own twisted and mypoic view of travel, not surprising
coming from a self-procalimed hermit. What the hell is a PRESSURE
trip??? As concerns my particular trip and the length of my stay ( THE
BASIS FOR YOUR ORIGINAL OBJECTION AND ERRANT CONTENTION) , the math
remains valid and you assertion remains uncorroborated and unfounded.
Regardless of the length of stay, the exact same mass is transported
the exact same distance, burning the exact same amount of jet fuel. No
more of earth's resources are wasted on a short trip than on a longer
one. You are really stubborn and thick headed ... one of your less than
endearing trademarks.

> God, sometimes I am just so brilliant I amaze myself. Jim is quite right to
> be envious of me.


Don't flatter yourself, Ed. You are possessed of an unrestrained and
enormously distended sense of self-importance. Disenfranchised from
reality, you are a victim of a self-indulgent persona. Your are driven
by a profusion of twisted perceptions and misconceptions. You have an
extremely overactive immagination if you are in earnest when you assume
that I have any reason to be envious of you.

> > Are you deaf or just thick headed??? As previously stated, and with
> > specific reasons given, it is just not practical for me to stay in
> > Europe for 3 months. Furthermore, it is unnecessary for me to make
> > extended stays having been to Europe almost every year of my past 30.
> > I have been in most European countries and many of them several times
> > over. I'd venture to say that I have visited more European countries
> > that you have in your single 3 month miserly stay in the squalor of
> > campgrounds and hostels, so you can stop your harping already.

>
> No one should fly halfway around the world for only a couple of weeks. This
> is extremely wasteful of resources as well as being totally dunderheaded.
> For heaven's sakes, if I am going to Venice, I am going to spend a
> considerable amount of time there, not just a few days.
> [...]
>
> >> So what did you do about your dogs? The entire newsgroup wants to know
> >> and
> >> is hanging on your every word.

> >
> > Your the only one who seems to care ... the only one to made
> > insinutations. The dogs were boarded at a private home whose pople
> > have been carefully screened by our local anti-cruelty society. Are
> > you happy now?

>
> Well, yes. I am death on folks who are not kind to animals, whether pets or
> wildlife. You are to be commended on your care for your dogs. Jim goes way
> up in my estimation of him on this score!
> [...]


Your opinion matters not ... good, bad or indifferent, but you really
should get your facts straight so that you can formulate an informed
opinion before jumping to conclusions and condeming someone and spare
yourself the embarrassment of looking foolish. That's called common
sense and fair play.

> >> Nay, if you had thought through the waste that your journey entailed, you
> >> would have decided to stay home. No one should ever go anywhere if it is
> >> not
> >> for a sufficient length of time. Thus spake Zarathustra.

> >
> > More opinion stated as fact. The length of stay was sufficient and
> > having considered your preposterous, nonsnesical supposition, I made
> > the right decision. Maybe if you read this through for a fourth time
> > it would sink into that thick skull of yours...

>
> "Nay, if you had thought through the waste that your journey entailed, you
> would have decided to stay home. No one should ever go anywhere if it is not
> for a sufficient length of time. Thus spake Zarathustra." - Ed Dolan
> [...]


What waste??? How did you miss the fact that I said that I had been to
Prague 3 times prior and Venice once before and considered my length of
stay sufficient??? The length of my stay was my decision to make ...
not yours and ONLY my opinion regarding its length matters ... NOT
yours!!! You are wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise.
Everyone should go anywhere they please for however long they deem
sufficient regardless of what this overly opinionated hemit has to say
about it. It is your life to lead not his to orchestrate.

> > Are you deaf or just thick headed??? As previously stated, and with
> > specific reasons given, it is just not practical for me to stay in
> > Europe for 3 months. Furthermore, it is unnecessary for me to make
> > extended stays having been to Europe almost every year of my past 30.
> > I have been in most European countries and many of them several times
> > over. I'd venture to say that I have visited more European countries
> > that you have in your single 3 month miserly stay in the squalor of
> > campgrounds and hostels, so you can stop your harping already.

>
> Even so, you are wasting the resources of the earth by your flitting about
> so.


Opinion stated as fact. Once a year is not "flitting about" and the
planes are scheduled to fly whether I am a passenger or not. What
don't you understand about that???

> To embark on a long journey, whether by jet airplane or more pedestrian
> means, should be for a sufficient length of time to justify the expense and
> trouble. I am very much against all this flitting about the globe for no
> reason other than pleasure. A journey abroad ought be about an adventure of
> the spirit. It should only be undertaken rarely and with great expectations.
> I am a traveler; you are merely a tourist.


Opinion stated as fact. I have rarely gone the touris route
(organized tour). I do my own thing and manage to take in much more in
the time I have alloted. I can easily justify the expense for the
enrichment I have received from my journey and my exposure. I am not a
tourist. I am an adventurer and a traveller. You're not a traveller.
By your own admission, you are a hermit.

Jim McNamara

P.S. By the way, this thread started out about liquid nutrition
(beer), so If you are interested in a bit of an education, the History
Channel is airing an hour long program (America Eats:Beer) tonight
(Thursday the 7th) at 9PM CST. Here is what their website says of the
program...

Whether light, dark, bottled, tapped, great tasting, or less filling
America loves beer--20% of the world's beer is brewed here. As old as
civilization and pre-dating bread, we'll take a look at beer's history
in the US. Believe it or not, the Mayflower was on its way to the
Hudson River Valley but dropped anchor in Plymouth because of shortages
in provisions--including "beor" ale. By the 1800s, Germans were
bringing different beer-making recipes and know-how. And by the turn of
the 20th century, brewers were taking advantage of new technologies
such as artificial refrigeration, pasteurization, and transportation.
But breweries had to survive the Prohibition until 1933 when it ended
and beer was back on tap. After WWII, the aluminium can made beer
drinkers happy because it now fit neatly in the fridge. There are
currently 1,500 US breweries with a growing number of micro-breweries
that have revived many old recipes and giving beer drinkers more
choice.

Jim McNamara


>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:

>> [...]
>> >> But you should have stayed in Europe for at least 3 months. You spent
>> >> a
>> >> lot
>> >> of money to just get there. When I was last in Europe I stayed in
>> >> campgrounds and hostels and it did not cost me much at all. It is not
>> >> a
>> >> question of affordability, but it is a question of wasting the
>> >> resources
>> >> of
>> >> this earth for short pleasure trips which don't amount to a hill of
>> >> beans.
>> >> It is impossible to see anything of Europe in only a few weeks.
>> >
>> > What is you major malfunction. Are you incapable of comprehending the
>> > validity of another's point of view? Believe it or not this is not a
>> > sign of inherent weakness. Get over yourself Ed. You don't have all
>> > the answers, so you can refrain from pretending that you do. No one is
>> > buying it. Repeated now for the third time, since the logic escaped
>> > your poor powers of perception the first two times ... is any more jet
>> > fuel wasted if I go for a short stay versus a long one? You failed to
>> > reply to the rhetorical because the answer is obvious. Instead you
>> > restate you assumption as though repeating an absurd postulate would
>> > lend some persuasive relevancy to an unsubstantiated assertion. I
>> > repeat ... regardless of the length of stay, the exact same mass is
>> > transported the exact same distance, burning the exact same amount of
>> > jet fuel. No more of earth's resources are wasted on a short trip than
>> > on a long one. Are we clear on that now? Are we clear on that point
>> > now???

>>
>> The above is not correct at all. If fools weren't flying all over the
>> world
>> on senseless pressure trips, there would be less flying altogether, which
>> would be a very good thing since jet fuel is not only expensive but fouls
>> the atmosphere as well. Less airplane flying, less fuel consumption and
>> less
>> pollution.

>
> Senseless is your own twisted and mypoic view of travel, not surprising
> coming from a self-procalimed hermit. What the hell is a PRESSURE
> trip???



Foiled by my spell-checker once again! That should read pleasure, not
pressure.

As concerns my particular trip and the length of my stay ( THE
> BASIS FOR YOUR ORIGINAL OBJECTION AND ERRANT CONTENTION) , the math
> remains valid and you assertion remains uncorroborated and unfounded.
> Regardless of the length of stay, the exact same mass is transported
> the exact same distance, burning the exact same amount of jet fuel. No
> more of earth's resources are wasted on a short trip than on a longer
> one. You are really stubborn and thick headed ... one of your less than
> endearing trademarks.


Less traveling about on the part of everyone, less overall waste of the
earth's resources. We should all stay home more than we do.

>> God, sometimes I am just so brilliant I amaze myself. Jim is quite right
>> to
>> be envious of me.

>
> Don't flatter yourself, Ed. You are possessed of an unrestrained and
> enormously distended sense of self-importance. Disenfranchised from
> reality, you are a victim of a self-indulgent persona. Your are driven
> by a profusion of twisted perceptions and misconceptions. You have an
> extremely overactive immagination if you are in earnest when you assume
> that I have any reason to be envious of you.
>
>> > Are you deaf or just thick headed??? As previously stated, and with
>> > specific reasons given, it is just not practical for me to stay in
>> > Europe for 3 months. Furthermore, it is unnecessary for me to make
>> > extended stays having been to Europe almost every year of my past 30.
>> > I have been in most European countries and many of them several times
>> > over. I'd venture to say that I have visited more European countries
>> > that you have in your single 3 month miserly stay in the squalor of
>> > campgrounds and hostels, so you can stop your harping already.

>>
>> No one should fly halfway around the world for only a couple of weeks.
>> This
>> is extremely wasteful of resources as well as being totally dunderheaded.
>> For heaven's sakes, if I am going to Venice, I am going to spend a
>> considerable amount of time there, not just a few days.
>> [...]
>>
>> >> So what did you do about your dogs? The entire newsgroup wants to know
>> >> and
>> >> is hanging on your every word.
>> >
>> > Your the only one who seems to care ... the only one to made
>> > insinutations. The dogs were boarded at a private home whose pople
>> > have been carefully screened by our local anti-cruelty society. Are
>> > you happy now?

>>
>> Well, yes. I am death on folks who are not kind to animals, whether pets
>> or
>> wildlife. You are to be commended on your care for your dogs. Jim goes
>> way
>> up in my estimation of him on this score!
>> [...]

>
> Your opinion matters not ... good, bad or indifferent, but you really
> should get your facts straight so that you can formulate an informed
> opinion before jumping to conclusions and condeming someone and spare
> yourself the embarrassment of looking foolish. That's called common
> sense and fair play.


We have quite a few kennels around here and folks put their pets in them all
the time whenever they go away from home. It is not cheap to do so, and yet
the animals are miserable in them. I am death on anyone who is not kind to
animals.

>> >> Nay, if you had thought through the waste that your journey entailed,
>> >> you
>> >> would have decided to stay home. No one should ever go anywhere if it
>> >> is
>> >> not
>> >> for a sufficient length of time. Thus spake Zarathustra.
>> >
>> > More opinion stated as fact. The length of stay was sufficient and
>> > having considered your preposterous, nonsnesical supposition, I made
>> > the right decision. Maybe if you read this through for a fourth time
>> > it would sink into that thick skull of yours...

>>
>> "Nay, if you had thought through the waste that your journey entailed,
>> you
>> would have decided to stay home. No one should ever go anywhere if it is
>> not
>> for a sufficient length of time. Thus spake Zarathustra." - Ed Dolan
>> [...]

>
> What waste??? How did you miss the fact that I said that I had been to
> Prague 3 times prior and Venice once before and considered my length of
> stay sufficient??? The length of my stay was my decision to make ...
> not yours and ONLY my opinion regarding its length matters ... NOT
> yours!!! You are wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise.
> Everyone should go anywhere they please for however long they deem
> sufficient regardless of what this overly opinionated hemit has to say
> about it. It is your life to lead not his to orchestrate.


Everyone should stay home and not be flitting about all over the world on
senseless pleasure trips that don't amount to a hill of beans.

>> > Are you deaf or just thick headed??? As previously stated, and with
>> > specific reasons given, it is just not practical for me to stay in
>> > Europe for 3 months. Furthermore, it is unnecessary for me to make
>> > extended stays having been to Europe almost every year of my past 30.
>> > I have been in most European countries and many of them several times
>> > over. I'd venture to say that I have visited more European countries
>> > that you have in your single 3 month miserly stay in the squalor of
>> > campgrounds and hostels, so you can stop your harping already.

>>
>> Even so, you are wasting the resources of the earth by your flitting
>> about
>> so.

>
> Opinion stated as fact. Once a year is not "flitting about" and the
> planes are scheduled to fly whether I am a passenger or not. What
> don't you understand about that???


One should only emabark on world travel about once every 20 years. Anymore
often than that, and you are flitting about!

>> To embark on a long journey, whether by jet airplane or more pedestrian
>> means, should be for a sufficient length of time to justify the expense
>> and
>> trouble. I am very much against all this flitting about the globe for no
>> reason other than pleasure. A journey abroad ought be about an adventure
>> of
>> the spirit. It should only be undertaken rarely and with great
>> expectations.
>> I am a traveler; you are merely a tourist.

>
> Opinion stated as fact. I have rarely gone the touris route
> (organized tour). I do my own thing and manage to take in much more in
> the time I have alloted. I can easily justify the expense for the
> enrichment I have received from my journey and my exposure. I am not a
> tourist. I am an adventurer and a traveller. You're not a traveller.
> By your own admission, you are a hermit.


He who travels alone, travels best!

> P.S. By the way, this thread started out about liquid nutrition
> (beer), so If you are interested in a bit of an education, the History
> Channel is airing an hour long program (America Eats:Beer) tonight
> (Thursday the 7th) at 9PM CST. Here is what their website says of the
> program...
>
> Whether light, dark, bottled, tapped, great tasting, or less filling
> America loves beer--20% of the world's beer is brewed here. As old as
> civilization and pre-dating bread, we'll take a look at beer's history
> in the US. Believe it or not, the Mayflower was on its way to the
> Hudson River Valley but dropped anchor in Plymouth because of shortages
> in provisions--including "beor" ale. By the 1800s, Germans were
> bringing different beer-making recipes and know-how. And by the turn of
> the 20th century, brewers were taking advantage of new technologies
> such as artificial refrigeration, pasteurization, and transportation.
> But breweries had to survive the Prohibition until 1933 when it ended
> and beer was back on tap. After WWII, the aluminium can made beer
> drinkers happy because it now fit neatly in the fridge. There are
> currently 1,500 US breweries with a growing number of micro-breweries
> that have revived many old recipes and giving beer drinkers more
> choice.


Even so, I do not care for any kind of beer. I prefer wine. Beer is for
barbarians, wine is for the civilized.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >> But you should have stayed in Europe for at least 3 months. You spent
> >> >> a
> >> >> lot
> >> >> of money to just get there. When I was last in Europe I stayed in
> >> >> campgrounds and hostels and it did not cost me much at all. It is not
> >> >> a
> >> >> question of affordability, but it is a question of wasting the
> >> >> resources
> >> >> of
> >> >> this earth for short pleasure trips which don't amount to a hill of
> >> >> beans.
> >> >> It is impossible to see anything of Europe in only a few weeks.
> >> >
> >> > What is you major malfunction. Are you incapable of comprehending the
> >> > validity of another's point of view? Believe it or not this is not a
> >> > sign of inherent weakness. Get over yourself Ed. You don't have all
> >> > the answers, so you can refrain from pretending that you do. No one is
> >> > buying it. Repeated now for the third time, since the logic escaped
> >> > your poor powers of perception the first two times ... is any more jet
> >> > fuel wasted if I go for a short stay versus a long one? You failed to
> >> > reply to the rhetorical because the answer is obvious. Instead you
> >> > restate you assumption as though repeating an absurd postulate would
> >> > lend some persuasive relevancy to an unsubstantiated assertion. I
> >> > repeat ... regardless of the length of stay, the exact same mass is
> >> > transported the exact same distance, burning the exact same amount of
> >> > jet fuel. No more of earth's resources are wasted on a short trip than
> >> > on a long one. Are we clear on that now? Are we clear on that point
> >> > now???
> >>
> >> The above is not correct at all. If fools weren't flying all over the
> >> world
> >> on senseless pressure trips, there would be less flying altogether, which
> >> would be a very good thing since jet fuel is not only expensive but fouls
> >> the atmosphere as well. Less airplane flying, less fuel consumption and
> >> less
> >> pollution.

> >
> > Senseless is your own twisted and mypoic view of travel, not surprising
> > coming from a self-procalimed hermit. What the hell is a PRESSURE
> > trip???

>
> Foiled by my spell-checker once again! That should read pleasure, not
> pressure.
>
> > As concerns my particular trip and the length of my stay ( THE
> > BASIS FOR YOUR ORIGINAL OBJECTION AND ERRANT CONTENTION) , the math
> > remains valid and you assertion remains uncorroborated and unfounded.
> > Regardless of the length of stay, the exact same mass is transported
> > the exact same distance, burning the exact same amount of jet fuel. No
> > more of earth's resources are wasted on a short trip than on a longer
> > one. You are really stubborn and thick headed ... one of your less than
> > endearing trademarks.

>
> Less traveling about on the part of everyone, less overall waste of the
> earth's resources. We should all stay home more than we do.


I am still waiting patiently for you to formulate an argument instead
of regurgitating an unsubstantiated assertion (read opinion). Much of
this thread has aptly demonstrated a logical fallacy known as Non
Sequitur ("It does not follow"), a fallacy of stating as a conclusion,
something that does not strictly follow from the premise. Actually,
I'm having difficulty identifying the prmise here. Unable to
successfully counter my argument, you merely reformulated your opinion
and reidrected its focus to the traveling masses. Clever perhaps, but
your diversion is duely noted.

> >> God, sometimes I am just so brilliant I amaze myself. Jim is quite right
> >> to be envious of me.

> >
> > Don't flatter yourself, Ed. You are possessed of an unrestrained and
> > enormously distended sense of self-importance. Disenfranchised from
> > reality, you are a victim of a self-indulgent persona. Your are driven
> > by a profusion of twisted perceptions and misconceptions. You have an
> > extremely overactive immagination if you are in earnest when you assume
> > that I have any reason to be envious of you.
> >
> >> > Are you deaf or just thick headed??? As previously stated, and with
> >> > specific reasons given, it is just not practical for me to stay in
> >> > Europe for 3 months. Furthermore, it is unnecessary for me to make
> >> > extended stays having been to Europe almost every year of my past 30.
> >> > I have been in most European countries and many of them several times
> >> > over. I'd venture to say that I have visited more European countries
> >> > that you have in your single 3 month miserly stay in the squalor of
> >> > campgrounds and hostels, so you can stop your harping already.
> >>
> >> No one should fly halfway around the world for only a couple of weeks.
> >> This
> >> is extremely wasteful of resources as well as being totally dunderheaded.
> >> For heaven's sakes, if I am going to Venice, I am going to spend a
> >> considerable amount of time there, not just a few days.
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> >> So what did you do about your dogs? The entire newsgroup wants to know
> >> >> and
> >> >> is hanging on your every word.
> >> >
> >> > Your the only one who seems to care ... the only one to made
> >> > insinutations. The dogs were boarded at a private home whose pople
> >> > have been carefully screened by our local anti-cruelty society. Are
> >> > you happy now?
> >>
> >> Well, yes. I am death on folks who are not kind to animals, whether pets
> >> or
> >> wildlife. You are to be commended on your care for your dogs. Jim goes
> >> way
> >> up in my estimation of him on this score!
> >> [...]

> >
> > Your opinion matters not ... good, bad or indifferent, but you really
> > should get your facts straight so that you can formulate an informed
> > opinion before jumping to conclusions and condeming someone and spare
> > yourself the embarrassment of looking foolish. That's called common
> > sense and fair play.


I should have added that if there is anything that the readership is
likely to be less interested in than my choice in the boarding of our
dogs, it would have to be your opinion in that regard.

> We have quite a few kennels around here and folks put their pets in them all
> the time whenever they go away from home. It is not cheap to do so, and yet
> the animals are miserable in them. I am death on anyone who is not kind to
> animals.


At least on one account we agree. A dog does not belong caged up in a
kennel. A person should not own a dog if thery are unwilling to assume
the responsibility that comes with pet ownership. Even though we
receive former customer and multiple dog discounts for boarding our
dogs, it was still $750 for the 11 days for our two dogs ... not cheap,
but I would rather pay for good care than bad care.

> >> >> Nay, if you had thought through the waste that your journey entailed,
> >> >> you
> >> >> would have decided to stay home. No one should ever go anywhere if it
> >> >> is
> >> >> not
> >> >> for a sufficient length of time. Thus spake Zarathustra.
> >> >
> >> > More opinion stated as fact. The length of stay was sufficient and
> >> > having considered your preposterous, nonsnesical supposition, I made
> >> > the right decision. Maybe if you read this through for a fourth time
> >> > it would sink into that thick skull of yours...
> >>
> >> "Nay, if you had thought through the waste that your journey entailed,
> >> you
> >> would have decided to stay home. No one should ever go anywhere if it is
> >> not
> >> for a sufficient length of time. Thus spake Zarathustra." - Ed Dolan
> >> [...]

> >
> > What waste??? How did you miss the fact that I said that I had been to
> > Prague 3 times prior and Venice once before and considered my length of
> > stay sufficient??? The length of my stay was my decision to make ...
> > not yours and ONLY my opinion regarding its length matters ... NOT
> > yours!!! You are wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise.
> > Everyone should go anywhere they please for however long they deem
> > sufficient regardless of what this overly opinionated hemit has to say
> > about it. It is your life to lead not his to orchestrate.

>
> Everyone should stay home and not be flitting about all over the world on
> senseless pleasure trips that don't amount to a hill of beans.


This is another repetion of your opinion stated as fact. This logical
fallacy is knows as Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of
disgust; i.e., by repitition), the fallacy of trying to prove something
by saying it again and again; but, no matter how many times one repeats
something, it does not become any more or less true than it was in the
first place. Whereas, It is not a fallacy to state the truth again and
again; but it is fallacious is to expect repitition alone to substitute
for valid arguments. Ed, you have still yet to even formulate an
argument let alone disprove mine. All you have done is to parrot your
errant, unsubstantiated opinion and an opinion, no mater how many times
repeated, does not an argument or a fact make.

The math (and my argument) remains valid and as of yet remains
unchallenged. Regardless of the length of my stay, the exact same mass
is transported the exact same distance, burning the exact same amount
of jet fuel. You have failed to address this issue because you know
that my logic is irrefutable and you wouldn't want for the Great Ed
Dolan to have to admit that he is wrong. FACT ... No more of earth's
resources were wasted on my short trip than would have been wasted on a
longer one. FACT ... had I not gone on my trip, the plane would have
flown without me and yep, fuel (read earth's resources) would have been
wasted because I wasn't on board to make use of them. FACT ... the
only think that doesn't fly here is your lame "argument" and I take
liberal literary license in labeling your "opinion" as an "argument!!!
FACT ... it is time for you to give it up. You are only making
yourself out to be more foolish than usual.

> >> > Are you deaf or just thick headed??? As previously stated, and with
> >> > specific reasons given, it is just not practical for me to stay in
> >> > Europe for 3 months. Furthermore, it is unnecessary for me to make
> >> > extended stays having been to Europe almost every year of my past 30.
> >> > I have been in most European countries and many of them several times
> >> > over. I'd venture to say that I have visited more European countries
> >> > that you have in your single 3 month miserly stay in the squalor of
> >> > campgrounds and hostels, so you can stop your harping already.
> >>
> >> Even so, you are wasting the resources of the earth by your flitting
> >> about
> >> so.

> >
> > Opinion stated as fact. Once a year is not "flitting about" and the
> > planes are scheduled to fly whether I am a passenger or not. What
> > don't you understand about that???

>
> One should only emabark on world travel about once every 20 years. Anymore
> often than that, and you are flitting about!


More of the same B.S.for which I refer you to my statement above in
this regard. OK, you've got an opinion. Everyone understands that,
but where's your argument. We are all waiting for something more
substantial. You call yourself the "Great One", so live up to you
self-inflicted reputation. It would appear that the only thing that is
"flitting about" is your misfiring brain cells.

> >> To embark on a long journey, whether by jet airplane or more pedestrian
> >> means, should be for a sufficient length of time to justify the expense
> >> and
> >> trouble. I am very much against all this flitting about the globe for no
> >> reason other than pleasure. A journey abroad ought be about an adventure
> >> of
> >> the spirit. It should only be undertaken rarely and with great
> >> expectations.
> >> I am a traveler; you are merely a tourist.

> >
> > Opinion stated as fact. I have rarely gone the touris route
> > (organized tour). I do my own thing and manage to take in much more in
> > the time I have alloted. I can easily justify the expense for the
> > enrichment I have received from my journey and my exposure. I am not a
> > tourist. I am an adventurer and a traveller. You're not a traveller.
> > By your own admission, you are a hermit.

>
> He who travels alone, travels best!


Hermits don't travel. They live in seclusion and solitude.
Nonetheless, in your obnoxious, contentious meandering on ARBR, you do
"travel alone" for no one (with the exception of Mike Vanderwhater) is
willing to be your traveling companion. You don't "travel alone" of
your own choosing, but rather as a direct result of the conscious
choice of others who prefer to distance themselves from the likes of
you and this you should find both revealing and significant.

> > P.S. By the way, this thread started out about liquid nutrition
> > (beer), so If you are interested in a bit of an education, the History
> > Channel is airing an hour long program (America Eats:Beer) tonight
> > (Thursday the 7th) at 9PM CST. Here is what their website says of the
> > program...
> >
> > Whether light, dark, bottled, tapped, great tasting, or less filling
> > America loves beer--20% of the world's beer is brewed here. As old as
> > civilization and pre-dating bread, we'll take a look at beer's history
> > in the US. Believe it or not, the Mayflower was on its way to the
> > Hudson River Valley but dropped anchor in Plymouth because of shortages
> > in provisions--including "beor" ale. By the 1800s, Germans were
> > bringing different beer-making recipes and know-how. And by the turn of
> > the 20th century, brewers were taking advantage of new technologies
> > such as artificial refrigeration, pasteurization, and transportation.
> > But breweries had to survive the Prohibition until 1933 when it ended
> > and beer was back on tap. After WWII, the aluminium can made beer
> > drinkers happy because it now fit neatly in the fridge. There are
> > currently 1,500 US breweries with a growing number of micro-breweries
> > that have revived many old recipes and giving beer drinkers more
> > choice.

>
> Even so, I do not care for any kind of beer. I prefer wine. Beer is for
> barbarians, wine is for the civilized.


So why ask me for a beer recommendation then? Not another opinion
state as fact ... not another Non Sequitor? There is no significant
correlation between choice of beverage and degree of civility. You're
proof of that. With every post, you exclaim Ex Cathedra as if you were
the pope. With every post, you demand to be heard and strictly
followed as though you were an iron fisted dictator. Fortunately, you
are not in a position of power or authority. Mankind has had more than
enough of your ilk ... more than enough of those with your flavor of
twisted mindset. In the greater scheme of things, it is comforting to
know that you are little more than a old windbag who relishes the sound
of his own nonsense, while remaining deaf to the clamoring of those who
wish you were no more ... aggravating perhaps, but inconsequential.

Jim McNamara
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
>> Less traveling about on the part of everyone, less overall waste of the
>> earth's resources. We should all stay home more than we do.

>
> I am still waiting patiently for you to formulate an argument instead
> of regurgitating an unsubstantiated assertion (read opinion). Much of
> this thread has aptly demonstrated a logical fallacy known as Non
> Sequitur ("It does not follow"), a fallacy of stating as a conclusion,
> something that does not strictly follow from the premise. Actually,
> I'm having difficulty identifying the prmise here. Unable to
> successfully counter my argument, you merely reformulated your opinion
> and reidrected its focus to the traveling masses. Clever perhaps, but
> your diversion is duely noted.


"Less traveling about on the part of everyone, less overall waste of the
earth's resources. We should all stay home more than we do." - Ed Dolan
[...]

> I should have added that if there is anything that the readership is
> likely to be less interested in than my choice in the boarding of our
> dogs, it would have to be your opinion in that regard.
>
>> We have quite a few kennels around here and folks put their pets in them
>> all
>> the time whenever they go away from home. It is not cheap to do so, and
>> yet
>> the animals are miserable in them. I am death on anyone who is not kind
>> to
>> animals.

>
> At least on one account we agree. A dog does not belong caged up in a
> kennel. A person should not own a dog if thery are unwilling to assume
> the responsibility that comes with pet ownership. Even though we
> receive former customer and multiple dog discounts for boarding our
> dogs, it was still $750 for the 11 days for our two dogs ... not cheap,
> but I would rather pay for good care than bad care.


Good Grief! You spent a fortune on boarding your dogs. I would never have
spent that kind of money on them. Surely you could get some neighborhood kid
to come in and look after them for mere pennies. Or better yet, why did not
your wife take care of them since she did not accompany you on your trip.
Are all the brains in the world only to be found in my head?
[...]

>> Everyone should stay home and not be flitting about all over the world on
>> senseless pleasure trips that don't amount to a hill of beans.

>
> This is another repetion of your opinion stated as fact. This logical
> fallacy is knows as Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of
> disgust; i.e., by repitition), the fallacy of trying to prove something
> by saying it again and again; but, no matter how many times one repeats
> something, it does not become any more or less true than it was in the
> first place. Whereas, It is not a fallacy to state the truth again and
> again; but it is fallacious is to expect repitition alone to substitute
> for valid arguments. Ed, you have still yet to even formulate an
> argument let alone disprove mine. All you have done is to parrot your
> errant, unsubstantiated opinion and an opinion, no mater how many times
> repeated, does not an argument or a fact make.


"Everyone should stay home and not be flitting about all over the world on
senseless pleasure trips that don't amount to a hill of beans." - Ed Dolan
[...]

>> One should only emabark on world travel about once every 20 years.
>> Anymore
>> often than that, and you are flitting about!

>
> More of the same B.S.for which I refer you to my statement above in
> this regard. OK, you've got an opinion. Everyone understands that,
> but where's your argument. We are all waiting for something more
> substantial. You call yourself the "Great One", so live up to you
> self-inflicted reputation. It would appear that the only thing that is
> "flitting about" is your misfiring brain cells.


"One should only emabark on world travel about once every 20 years. Anymore
often than that, and you are flitting about!" - Ed Dolan
[...]

>> He who travels alone, travels best!

>
> Hermits don't travel. They live in seclusion and solitude.
> Nonetheless, in your obnoxious, contentious meandering on ARBR, you do
> "travel alone" for no one (with the exception of Mike Vanderwhater) is
> willing to be your traveling companion. You don't "travel alone" of
> your own choosing, but rather as a direct result of the conscious
> choice of others who prefer to distance themselves from the likes of
> you and this you should find both revealing and significant.


Nope, I much prefer to travel alone. Any other kind traveling is more some
kind of social fest than true travel. I need to be alone to adequately
appreciate what I am doing. The necessity of having to relate to a traveling
companion is a waste of mental resources. I prefer to focus exclusively on
the point of my travel and not to be distracted by some human slob who will
always turn out to be my inferior in any event.
[...]

>> Even so, I do not care for any kind of beer. I prefer wine. Beer is for
>> barbarians, wine is for the civilized.

>
> So why ask me for a beer recommendation then? Not another opinion
> state as fact ... not another Non Sequitor? There is no significant
> correlation between choice of beverage and degree of civility. You're
> proof of that. With every post, you exclaim Ex Cathedra as if you were
> the pope. With every post, you demand to be heard and strictly
> followed as though you were an iron fisted dictator. Fortunately, you
> are not in a position of power or authority. Mankind has had more than
> enough of your ilk ... more than enough of those with your flavor of
> twisted mindset. In the greater scheme of things, it is comforting to
> know that you are little more than a old windbag who relishes the sound
> of his own nonsense, while remaining deaf to the clamoring of those who
> wish you were no more ... aggravating perhaps, but inconsequential.


"Even so, I do not care for any kind of beer. I prefer wine. Beer is for
barbarians, wine is for the civilized." - Ed Dolan

Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him about this
repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother reading anyone who gets
too wordy.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Edward Dolan wrote:

> [...]
> >> Less traveling about on the part of everyone, less overall waste of the
> >> earth's resources. We should all stay home more than we do.

> >
> > I am still waiting patiently for you to formulate an argument instead
> > of regurgitating an unsubstantiated assertion (read opinion). Much of
> > this thread has aptly demonstrated a logical fallacy known as Non
> > Sequitur ("It does not follow"), a fallacy of stating as a conclusion,
> > something that does not strictly follow from the premise. Actually,
> > I'm having difficulty identifying the prmise here. Unable to
> > successfully counter my argument, you merely reformulated your opinion
> > and reidrected its focus to the traveling masses. Clever perhaps, but
> > your diversion is duely noted.

>
> "Less traveling about on the part of everyone, less overall waste of the
> earth's resources. We should all stay home more than we do." - Ed Dolan
> [...]


More regurgitation??? Please re-read the paragraph you responded to.
Here is a hint. It starts with ... I am still waiting patiently for
you to formulate an argument instead of regurgitating an
unsubstantiated assertion.

> > I should have added that if there is anything that the readership is
> > likely to be less interested in than my choice in the boarding of our
> > dogs, it would have to be your opinion in that regard.
> >
> >> We have quite a few kennels around here and folks put their pets in them
> >> all
> >> the time whenever they go away from home. It is not cheap to do so, and
> >> yet
> >> the animals are miserable in them. I am death on anyone who is not kind
> >> to
> >> animals.

> >
> > At least on one account we agree. A dog does not belong caged up in a
> > kennel. A person should not own a dog if thery are unwilling to assume
> > the responsibility that comes with pet ownership. Even though we
> > receive former customer and multiple dog discounts for boarding our
> > dogs, it was still $750 for the 11 days for our two dogs ... not cheap,
> > but I would rather pay for good care than bad care.

>
> Good Grief! You spent a fortune on boarding your dogs. I would never have
> spent that kind of money on them. Surely you could get some neighborhood kid
> to come in and look after them for mere pennies. Or better yet, why did not
> your wife take care of them since she did not accompany you on your trip.
> Are all the brains in the world only to be found in my head?
> [...]


Brains ... where is yours, pray tell??? We've been over this already.
If you recall, I clearly state that my wife did accompany me on
vacation. I wouldn't trust my dogs to a neighborhood kid to whom I
paid mere pennies.

> >> Everyone should stay home and not be flitting about all over the world on
> >> senseless pleasure trips that don't amount to a hill of beans.

> >
> > This is another repetion of your opinion stated as fact. This logical
> > fallacy is knows as Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of
> > disgust; i.e., by repitition), the fallacy of trying to prove something
> > by saying it again and again; but, no matter how many times one repeats
> > something, it does not become any more or less true than it was in the
> > first place. Whereas, It is not a fallacy to state the truth again and
> > again; but it is fallacious is to expect repitition alone to substitute
> > for valid arguments. Ed, you have still yet to even formulate an
> > argument let alone disprove mine. All you have done is to parrot your
> > errant, unsubstantiated opinion and an opinion, no mater how many times
> > repeated, does not an argument or a fact make.

>
> "Everyone should stay home and not be flitting about all over the world on
> senseless pleasure trips that don't amount to a hill of beans." - Ed Dolan
> [...]


More regurgitation??? Please re-read the paragraph you responded to.
Here is a hint. It starts with ... This is another repetion of your
opinion stated as fact. This logical fallacy is knows as Argumentum ad
nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by repitition), the
fallacy of trying to prove something by saying it again and again.

> >> One should only emabark on world travel about once every 20 years.
> >> Anymore
> >> often than that, and you are flitting about!

> >
> > More of the same B.S.for which I refer you to my statement above in
> > this regard. OK, you've got an opinion. Everyone understands that,
> > but where's your argument. We are all waiting for something more
> > substantial. You call yourself the "Great One", so live up to you
> > self-inflicted reputation. It would appear that the only thing that is
> > "flitting about" is your misfiring brain cells.

>
> "One should only emabark on world travel about once every 20 years. Anymore
> often than that, and you are flitting about!" - Ed Dolan
> [...]


More regurgitation??? Please re-read the paragraph you responded to.
Here is a hint. It starts with ... More of the same B.S.for which I
refer you to my statement above in
this regard. OK, you've got an opinion. Everyone understands that,
but where's your argument.

> >> He who travels alone, travels best!

> >
> > Hermits don't travel. They live in seclusion and solitude.
> > Nonetheless, in your obnoxious, contentious meandering on ARBR, you do
> > "travel alone" for no one (with the exception of Mike Vanderwhater) is
> > willing to be your traveling companion. You don't "travel alone" of
> > your own choosing, but rather as a direct result of the conscious
> > choice of others who prefer to distance themselves from the likes of
> > you and this you should find both revealing and significant.

>
> Nope, I much prefer to travel alone. Any other kind traveling is more some
> kind of social fest than true travel. I need to be alone to adequately
> appreciate what I am doing. The necessity of having to relate to a traveling
> companion is a waste of mental resources. I prefer to focus exclusively on
> the point of my travel and not to be distracted by some human slob who will
> always turn out to be my inferior in any event.
> [...]


More ******** from the man who does it best. FACT: You have been
unable to put forth anything but a flimsy opinion in lieu of a
convincing arguement. FACT: When frustrated you can do little more
that cut an paste a previous response. FACT: This is a telling
indicator that your "greatness" has faile you again!!!

> >> Even so, I do not care for any kind of beer. I prefer wine. Beer is for
> >> barbarians, wine is for the civilized.

> >
> > So why ask me for a beer recommendation then? Not another opinion
> > state as fact ... not another Non Sequitor? There is no significant
> > correlation between choice of beverage and degree of civility. You're
> > proof of that. With every post, you exclaim Ex Cathedra as if you were
> > the pope. With every post, you demand to be heard and strictly
> > followed as though you were an iron fisted dictator. Fortunately, you
> > are not in a position of power or authority. Mankind has had more than
> > enough of your ilk ... more than enough of those with your flavor of
> > twisted mindset. In the greater scheme of things, it is comforting to
> > know that you are little more than a old windbag who relishes the sound
> > of his own nonsense, while remaining deaf to the clamoring of those who
> > wish you were no more ... aggravating perhaps, but inconsequential.

>
> "Even so, I do not care for any kind of beer. I prefer wine. Beer is for
> barbarians, wine is for the civilized." - Ed Dolan


Regurgitation and diversion duly noted. Please re-read the paragraph
you responded to. Here is a hint. It starts with ... So why ask me
for a beer recommendation then? Not another opinion state as fact ...
not another Non Sequitor? There is no significant
correlation between choice of beverage and degree of civility.

> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him about this
> repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother reading anyone who gets
> too wordy.


Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He is
unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a convincing argument
and must resort to senseless repetion of unsubstantiated opinion.

I have cautioned Ed to refrain from cautioning me, but Ed listens to
the beat of different drummer ... the little drumer boy ... Ed Dolan,
and no one listens to the the drum that he's beating no matter how long
or how loudly he bangs away on it.

Jim McNamara

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
>> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him about this
>> repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother reading anyone who
>> gets
>> too wordy.

>
> Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He is
> unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a convincing argument
> and must resort to senseless repetion of unsubstantiated opinion.


My opinions are worth their weight in gold whereas your 'arguments' go
nowhere.

> I have cautioned Ed to refrain from cautioning me, but Ed listens to
> the beat of different drummer ... the little drumer boy ... Ed Dolan,
> and no one listens to the the drum that he's beating no matter how long
> or how loudly he bangs away on it.


Jim should listen to me more and to himself less. How else is he ever going
to learn anything?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
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>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:

>> [...]
>> >> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him about this
>> >> repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother reading anyone who
>> >> gets
>> >> too wordy.
>> >
>> > Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He is
>> > unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a convincing argument
>> > and must resort to senseless repetion of unsubstantiated opinion.

>>
>> My opinions are worth their weight in gold whereas your 'arguments' go
>> nowhere.

>
> Well this is novel. You offer an opinion about your opinion? This is
> the best you can to in attempting to weasel out of an argument? I
> expected much better of you, and to think you call yourself the GREAT
> one. What you offered was little more than conjecture and flimsy
> conjecture at that. This "debate", and I take literary license in
> labeling it as such, has been about ACCUSATIONS and ASSERTIONS (yours)
> and ARGUMENT although only I offered up an argument, OPINIONS since you
> could offer nothing else and FACT which was offered in support my
> arguments and undermined your opinions. Say, Conan the Librarian, care
> to have a look at the definition of these particular fundamental
> words???

[...]

Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his opinions
best wins. It is really just that simple.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him about this
> >> >> repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother reading anyone who
> >> >> gets
> >> >> too wordy.
> >> >
> >> > Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He is
> >> > unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a convincing argument
> >> > and must resort to senseless repetion of unsubstantiated opinion.
> >>
> >> My opinions are worth their weight in gold whereas your 'arguments' go
> >> nowhere.

> >
> > Well this is novel. You offer an opinion about your opinion? This is
> > the best you can to in attempting to weasel out of an argument? I
> > expected much better of you, and to think you call yourself the GREAT
> > one. What you offered was little more than conjecture and flimsy
> > conjecture at that. This "debate", and I take literary license in
> > labeling it as such, has been about ACCUSATIONS and ASSERTIONS (yours)
> > and ARGUMENT although only I offered up an argument, OPINIONS since you
> > could offer nothing else and FACT which was offered in support my
> > arguments and undermined your opinions. Say, Conan the Librarian, care
> > to have a look at the definition of these particular fundamental
> > words???

> [...]
>
> Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
> value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his opinions
> best wins. It is really just that simple.


Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you to be
objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more flimsy
opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I think I'll
get off this merry-go-round and let the readership decide who stated
what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged, uncontested, unrefuted
facts and argument. I am confident that if we put this to a vote, I'd
win hands down. You just wouldn't accept the opinion of the masses and
would merely dismiss their opinions as having come from morons,
imbeciles and idiots. The fact remains that you are incapable of
admitting that you are ever wrong as if such admission were an
intolerable flaw ... a sign of weakenss when actually your inability to
make such an admission is a flaw and a sign of weakness.

Jim McNamara

Jim McNmara

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
JimmyMac wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >> news:[email protected]...
> > >> >
> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > >> [...]
> > >> >> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him about this
> > >> >> repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother reading anyone who
> > >> >> gets
> > >> >> too wordy.
> > >> >
> > >> > Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He is
> > >> > unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a convincing argument
> > >> > and must resort to senseless repetion of unsubstantiated opinion.
> > >>
> > >> My opinions are worth their weight in gold whereas your 'arguments' go
> > >> nowhere.
> > >
> > > Well this is novel. You offer an opinion about your opinion? This is
> > > the best you can to in attempting to weasel out of an argument? I
> > > expected much better of you, and to think you call yourself the GREAT
> > > one. What you offered was little more than conjecture and flimsy
> > > conjecture at that. This "debate", and I take literary license in
> > > labeling it as such, has been about ACCUSATIONS and ASSERTIONS (yours)
> > > and ARGUMENT although only I offered up an argument, OPINIONS since you
> > > could offer nothing else and FACT which was offered in support my
> > > arguments and undermined your opinions. Say, Conan the Librarian, care
> > > to have a look at the definition of these particular fundamental
> > > words???

> > [...]
> >
> > Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
> > value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his opinions
> > best wins. It is really just that simple.

>
> Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
> opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
> conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
> intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you to be
> objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more flimsy
> opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I think I'll
> get off this merry-go-round and let the readership decide who stated
> what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged, uncontested, unrefuted
> facts and argument. I am confident that if we put this to a vote, I'd
> win hands down....


The polls have closed:

Edward Dolan: 0
Jim McNamara: 0
Don't Care: 6,125,487,478

--
Tom Sherman - Here, not there.
 
"JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
>> Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
>> value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his
>> opinions
>> best wins. It is really just that simple.

>
> Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
> opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
> conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
> intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you to be
> objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more flimsy
> opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I think I'll
> get off this merry-go-round and let the readership decide who stated
> what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged, uncontested, unrefuted
> facts and argument. I am confident that if we put this to a vote, I'd
> win hands down. You just wouldn't accept the opinion of the masses and
> would merely dismiss their opinions as having come from morons,
> imbeciles and idiots. The fact remains that you are incapable of
> admitting that you are ever wrong as if such admission were an
> intolerable flaw ... a sign of weakenss when actually your inability to
> make such an admission is a flaw and a sign of weakness.


"Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his opinions
best wins. It is really just that simple." - Ed Dolan

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> The polls have closed:
>
> Edward Dolan: 0
> Jim McNamara: 0
> Don't Care: 6,125,487,478


The above is the score on everyone who has ever posted a message to Usenet.
That is why I do not take any of this seriously. It is nothing but fun and
games to me and that is all it should ever be to anyone with an ounce of
common sense.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> JimmyMac wrote:
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >> news:[email protected]...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > > >> [...]
> > > >> >> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him about this
> > > >> >> repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother reading anyone who
> > > >> >> gets
> > > >> >> too wordy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He is
> > > >> > unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a convincing argument
> > > >> > and must resort to senseless repetion of unsubstantiated opinion.
> > > >>
> > > >> My opinions are worth their weight in gold whereas your 'arguments' go
> > > >> nowhere.
> > > >
> > > > Well this is novel. You offer an opinion about your opinion? This is
> > > > the best you can to in attempting to weasel out of an argument? I
> > > > expected much better of you, and to think you call yourself the GREAT
> > > > one. What you offered was little more than conjecture and flimsy
> > > > conjecture at that. This "debate", and I take literary license in
> > > > labeling it as such, has been about ACCUSATIONS and ASSERTIONS (yours)
> > > > and ARGUMENT although only I offered up an argument, OPINIONS since you
> > > > could offer nothing else and FACT which was offered in support my
> > > > arguments and undermined your opinions. Say, Conan the Librarian, care
> > > > to have a look at the definition of these particular fundamental
> > > > words???
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
> > > value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his opinions
> > > best wins. It is really just that simple.

> >
> > Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
> > opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
> > conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
> > intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you to be
> > objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more flimsy
> > opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I think I'll
> > get off this merry-go-round and let the readership decide who stated
> > what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged, uncontested, unrefuted
> > facts and argument. I am confident that if we put this to a vote, I'd
> > win hands down....

>
> The polls have closed:
>
> Edward Dolan: 0
> Jim McNamara: 0
> Don't Care: 6,125,487,478


You seem to have been unaccounted for in the voting, which is as it
should be since you contributed nothing of any consequence. You did
however reveal that you cared sufficiently enough to respond and
register an opinion ... one that falls into the 6,125,487,478 category.

Jim McNamara

> --
> Tom Sherman - Here, not there.
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:

> [...]
> >> Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
> >> value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his
> >> opinions
> >> best wins. It is really just that simple.

> >
> > Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
> > opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
> > conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
> > intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you to be
> > objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more flimsy
> > opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I think I'll
> > get off this merry-go-round and let the readership decide who stated
> > what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged, uncontested, unrefuted
> > facts and argument. I am confident that if we put this to a vote, I'd
> > win hands down. You just wouldn't accept the opinion of the masses and
> > would merely dismiss their opinions as having come from morons,
> > imbeciles and idiots. The fact remains that you are incapable of
> > admitting that you are ever wrong as if such admission were an
> > intolerable flaw ... a sign of weakenss when actually your inability to
> > make such an admission is a flaw and a sign of weakness.

>
> "Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
> value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his opinions
> best wins. It is really just that simple." - Ed Dolan


He who has nothing left to offer but incessant cut and paste
regurgitation is, in effect, defeated ... a loser ... one wns nothing
but recogniton of his exasperation.

Jim McNamara

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> JimmyMac wrote:
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > > <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > >> news:[email protected]...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > > >> [...]
> > > >> >> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him about this
> > > >> >> repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother reading anyone who
> > > >> >> gets
> > > >> >> too wordy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He is
> > > >> > unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a convincing argument
> > > >> > and must resort to senseless repetion of unsubstantiated opinion.
> > > >>
> > > >> My opinions are worth their weight in gold whereas your 'arguments' go
> > > >> nowhere.
> > > >
> > > > Well this is novel. You offer an opinion about your opinion? This is
> > > > the best you can to in attempting to weasel out of an argument? I
> > > > expected much better of you, and to think you call yourself the GREAT
> > > > one. What you offered was little more than conjecture and flimsy
> > > > conjecture at that. This "debate", and I take literary license in
> > > > labeling it as such, has been about ACCUSATIONS and ASSERTIONS (yours)
> > > > and ARGUMENT although only I offered up an argument, OPINIONS since you
> > > > could offer nothing else and FACT which was offered in support my
> > > > arguments and undermined your opinions. Say, Conan the Librarian, care
> > > > to have a look at the definition of these particular fundamental
> > > > words???
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
> > > value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his opinions
> > > best wins. It is really just that simple.

> >
> > Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
> > opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
> > conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
> > intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you to be
> > objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more flimsy
> > opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I think I'll
> > get off this merry-go-round and let the readership decide who stated
> > what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged, uncontested, unrefuted
> > facts and argument. I am confident that if we put this to a vote, I'd
> > win hands down....

>
> The polls have closed:
>
> Edward Dolan: 0
> Jim McNamara: 0
> Don't Care: 6,125,487,478


If you are sincere and count yourself among those who "don't care" then
you should also be counted among those who have not bothered to read or
responded to this thread, but you can't can you ... instigator???

Jim McNamara

> --
> Tom Sherman - Here, not there.
 
JimmyMac wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>> JimmyMac wrote:
>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him
>>>>>>>> about this repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother
>>>>>>>> reading anyone who gets
>>>>>>>> too wordy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He
>>>>>>> is unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a
>>>>>>> convincing argument and must resort to senseless repetion of
>>>>>>> unsubstantiated opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My opinions are worth their weight in gold whereas your
>>>>>> 'arguments' go nowhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well this is novel. You offer an opinion about your opinion?
>>>>> This is the best you can to in attempting to weasel out of an
>>>>> argument? I expected much better of you, and to think you call
>>>>> yourself the GREAT one. What you offered was little more than
>>>>> conjecture and flimsy conjecture at that. This "debate", and I
>>>>> take literary license in labeling it as such, has been about
>>>>> ACCUSATIONS and ASSERTIONS (yours) and ARGUMENT although only I
>>>>> offered up an argument, OPINIONS since you could offer nothing
>>>>> else and FACT which was offered in support my arguments and
>>>>> undermined your opinions. Say, Conan the Librarian, care to have
>>>>> a look at the definition of these particular fundamental words???
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are
>>>> opinions. I value my opinions and I don't much value yours.
>>>> Whoever states his opinions best wins. It is really just that
>>>> simple.
>>>
>>> Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
>>> opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
>>> conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
>>> intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you
>>> to be objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more
>>> flimsy opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I
>>> think I'll get off this merry-go-round and let the readership
>>> decide who stated what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged,
>>> uncontested, unrefuted facts and argument. I am confident that if
>>> we put this to a vote, I'd win hands down....

>>
>> The polls have closed:
>>
>> Edward Dolan: 0
>> Jim McNamara: 0
>> Don't Care: 6,125,487,478

>
> If you are sincere and count yourself among those who "don't care"
> then you should also be counted among those who have not bothered to
> read or responded to this thread, but you can't can you ...
> instigator???
>
> Jim McNamara
>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Here, not there.


Liquid nutrition still the (so-called) Subject?
 
Bill Sornson wrote:
> JimmyMac wrote:
> > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> >> JimmyMac wrote:
> >>> Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>> Jim is once again getting too wordy. I have cautioned him
> >>>>>>>> about this repeatedly. No one on these newsgroups will bother
> >>>>>>>> reading anyone who gets
> >>>>>>>> too wordy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is this the best you can do??? Ed is obviously frustrated. He
> >>>>>>> is unable to debate in earnest. He cannot formulate a
> >>>>>>> convincing argument and must resort to senseless repetion of
> >>>>>>> unsubstantiated opinion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My opinions are worth their weight in gold whereas your
> >>>>>> 'arguments' go nowhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well this is novel. You offer an opinion about your opinion?
> >>>>> This is the best you can to in attempting to weasel out of an
> >>>>> argument? I expected much better of you, and to think you call
> >>>>> yourself the GREAT one. What you offered was little more than
> >>>>> conjecture and flimsy conjecture at that. This "debate", and I
> >>>>> take literary license in labeling it as such, has been about
> >>>>> ACCUSATIONS and ASSERTIONS (yours) and ARGUMENT although only I
> >>>>> offered up an argument, OPINIONS since you could offer nothing
> >>>>> else and FACT which was offered in support my arguments and
> >>>>> undermined your opinions. Say, Conan the Librarian, care to have
> >>>>> a look at the definition of these particular fundamental words???
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>
> >>>> Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are
> >>>> opinions. I value my opinions and I don't much value yours.
> >>>> Whoever states his opinions best wins. It is really just that
> >>>> simple.
> >>>
> >>> Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
> >>> opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
> >>> conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
> >>> intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you
> >>> to be objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more
> >>> flimsy opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I
> >>> think I'll get off this merry-go-round and let the readership
> >>> decide who stated what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged,
> >>> uncontested, unrefuted facts and argument. I am confident that if
> >>> we put this to a vote, I'd win hands down....
> >>
> >> The polls have closed:
> >>
> >> Edward Dolan: 0
> >> Jim McNamara: 0
> >> Don't Care: 6,125,487,478

> >
> > If you are sincere and count yourself among those who "don't care"
> > then you should also be counted among those who have not bothered to
> > read or responded to this thread, but you can't can you ...
> > instigator???
> >
> > Jim McNamara
> >

>
> Liquid nutrition still the (so-called) Subject?


Liquid nutrition (i.e. Beer) is the ideal food to consume before a
pissing match. ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Here, not there.
I am supporting cannibalism by eating more nuts.
 
"JimmyMac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
>> >> Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions.
>> >> I
>> >> value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his
>> >> opinions
>> >> best wins. It is really just that simple.
>> >
>> > Not another opinion about opinions??? Most of what I stated was not
>> > opinion, but rather argument supporterd by fact. I have come to the
>> > conclusion that you are so wrapped up in yourself, so subjectively
>> > intertwined with your delicate ego, that it is impossible for you to be
>> > objective. When you can offer nothing else, you offer more flimsy
>> > opinion to justify you previously stated flimsy opinions. I think I'll
>> > get off this merry-go-round and let the readership decide who stated
>> > what best ... your opinion or my unchallenged, uncontested, unrefuted
>> > facts and argument. I am confident that if we put this to a vote, I'd
>> > win hands down. You just wouldn't accept the opinion of the masses and
>> > would merely dismiss their opinions as having come from morons,
>> > imbeciles and idiots. The fact remains that you are incapable of
>> > admitting that you are ever wrong as if such admission were an
>> > intolerable flaw ... a sign of weakenss when actually your inability to
>> > make such an admission is a flaw and a sign of weakness.

>>
>> "Nope, why should I when all that counts on these forums are opinions. I
>> value my opinions and I don't much value yours. Whoever states his
>> opinions
>> best wins. It is really just that simple." - Ed Dolan

>
> He who has nothing left to offer but incessant cut and paste
> regurgitation is, in effect, defeated ... a loser ... one wns nothing
> but recogniton of his exasperation.


And that is all you ever going to get unless and until you advance the
conversation. So far you have proven that you are the greatest whiner and
cry baby Usenet has ever known, Be thankful I am still continuing to bother
to read your messages, let alone to respond to them even with a cut and
paste.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> Liquid nutrition (i.e. Beer) is the ideal food to consume before a
> pissing match. ;)


Beer is for barbarians and wine is for cultivated and civilized folks. I
don't think much of hard liquor either. Hells Bells, if you can't find a
wine that is just perfect for you, then I suggest you get out of America and
join those beer drinking slobs in England. You can forget about emigrating
to France if you don't like wine as that is pretty much all they drink.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. What are you doing up at 4 o'clock in the morning. These are my hours,
not yours!
 
Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [...]
> > Liquid nutrition (i.e. Beer) is the ideal food to consume before a
> > pissing match. ;)

>
> Beer is for barbarians and wine is for cultivated and civilized folks. I
> don't think much of hard liquor either. Hells Bells, if you can't find a
> wine that is just perfect for you, then I suggest you get out of America and
> join those beer drinking slobs in England. You can forget about emigrating
> to France if you don't like wine as that is pretty much all they drink.


Beer seems to have an ideal alcohol to water ratio for producing urine,
therefore the justification for me statement. ;)

Where I live, drinking Beer is part of the State Religion.

> PS. What are you doing up at 4 o'clock in the morning. These are my hours,
> not yours!


I was posting a few messages before leaving for work.

--
Tom Sherman - Here, not there.