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Quantity vs. Quality for the aging runner

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  1. I go with quantity.
    "David Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    After a two year break, in which I improved my golf game, trained for a
    tri, but raced a duathlon, I want to get back into running.

    I really can't swim, despite some good training, so that killed the tri a
    bit. I loved the biking, and will continue with some of that, and maybe
    try another du this summer. But after fooling around with all that, I
    realize that I prefer the running, and so want to get back into it. I
    ran 10 marathons between May 98 and Oct 2002, with most of them coming in
    between 3:15 and 3:20.

    My goal is to run a marathon in May as a BQ for 2006. I'll be 50 then,
    which buys me an extra 5 minutes (oh, joy). I've been running about 30
    mpw for the past 3 months, so have an okay base.

    My knees have been acting up for the past 3 years, making odd squishing
    noises, and my family doc's advice was to stop running. I had them x-
    rayed, and the results were positive, no damage. Both big toe joints
    seem to have fused - they no longer bend up at toe-off, and there is some
    swelling of the joint. I'm guessing arthritis. My lower and upper back
    ache most of the time, possibly aggravated by 65 rounds of golf and a lot
    of practice last summer.

    So my question to the other "experienced" runners here is "How to train
    most effectively, while avoiding injury".

    My guess is that I'm going to have to increase quality - leave out some
    of the junk runs that up the weekly mileage, and focus on quality runs.
    Currently I'm incorporating some nice smooth hills at constant effort,
    not hard, plus a weekly 1km timed loop in the middle of an easy run.
    These are designed to add a little strengthening and speed while still in
    an endurance-building phase. I think I should be going into a
    strengthening phase soon. And I think LSD runs are essential to success
    at distance, as well as helping shed some pounds between now and May.

    So I'm thinking of the following general principles

    1) Increase weekly mileage up to 50 mpw over the next 6 weeks.

    2) Have an increasing long LSD each week (alternating with
    shorter ones once they get to be ~ 3 hrs.)

    3) Add one tempo run per week (QED with running club on Wed.
    nights - choice of 6mi or 9mi routes).

    4) Add one Quality run per week - hill reps for about 4-5 weeks,
    then intervals for the following 4-5 weeks.

    5) Two or three weeks of tapering, with focus on speed sharpening
    and declining mileage (I consider myself an expert taperer, it's the only
    part of the program I'm always able to stick to).

    6) One bike ride per week as cross training - probably 60 - 90 km
    -not too fast.

    Any thoughts, feedback, suggestions?

    TIA,

    dh

  2. Re: Quantity vs. Quality for the aging runner

    Group: rec.running Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2005, 10:52pm (EST+5) From:
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    On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:16:57 -0500, [email hidden] (Tom R
    Wheeler) wrote:
    Do all agree we
     orbit the Sun in the same direction? 
    e-mail. [email hidden]
    Tom,
    If backwards I run, will I go back in time?
    Malcontent

    runner

    The sunken city of alexandria p.b.s.

    why are they picking up all them stones?
    a lighthouse. there.
    jesus was resurrected in 3 days forward in time.
    only with 2 scars on his hands. any other scars were not presents.

  3. "Anthony" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    "Anthony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "David Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    After a two year break, in which I improved my golf game, trained
    for a tri, but raced a duathlon, I want to get back into running.

    Quoted message said:


    So my question to the other "experienced" runners here is "How to
    train most effectively, while avoiding injury".

    So I'm thinking of the following general principles

    1) Increase weekly mileage up to 50 mpw over the next 6 weeks.

    David - welcome back and good luck!

    With your lingering knee concerns, I would be extra careful about
    increasing mileage.
    Going from 30 to 50 in 6 weeks might be within the bounds of the
    "10%" rule, but
    I personally follow Doug's maxim - no more than 5%, and I also
    incorporate step-back weeks during mileage buildup. If your main aim
    is qualifying for Boston I
    would seriously consider pushing off the attempt until the Spring.
    That would give you
    time for a more gentle build-up and more time to see if you're in
    shape for the
    BQ attempt.

    Anthony.


    Oops - even though I live in Israel, my Australian roots still make me
    think of September/October as Spring - I meant Autumn - or Fall if you
    prefer...


    Thanks for that clarification. I was scratching my head after reading
    your first post!

    I'm hoping I can qualify in the spring, and was thinking I'd keep the
    fall as a backup if that didn't happen. I train much better over the
    winter because I hate running in summer's heat, and you cannot golf here
    in the winter, so it all works out.

    As to ramping up mileage too quickly, I agree - I will take longer, and I
    will do some step-backs, intentionally or otherwise.

    dh

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