Protein Powder Processing

Pete said:

"Tom Anderson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Just another question i'm curious about -- why is it that pure
isolated whey protein is white? Why is creatine white? Glutamine
white? BCAA's white? Do they bleach them or something? Or is this
just the colour of aminos?

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The latter. Basically, most substances are colourless - it's only if
they have funky molecular orbitals that they absorb light in the
visible spectrum.

Seems like i can forget about actually seeing Orange steroids after this
post (good one, btw...)

Well, if you can find a chemist of fortune around your parts, you might be
able to get him to knock one up. Maybe stick a carboxyl group on the
3-position of beta-carotene, then esterify it to one of the hydroxyls on
the steroid, and hope that cellular esterases knock it off; might even
improve the pharmacodynamics ...

Okay, enough some-way-beyond-the-stuff-i-really-know-about chemistry.

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But somehow, i suspect these diabolical scientiest found a way a to
"bleach" all this stuff white, so it can be sold more easily...

Ach, we're rumbled!

tom

--
Do more with less -- R. Buckminster Fuller

Tom Anderson said:

msamson said:

80 posts and not one answer to the original question re: oxidized
cholesterol in whole egg powder.

So buy a mass spectrometer and get to it! Chop chop!

You wouldn't happen to have a deuterium-labeled standard that he could
borrow, would you?

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I made *excellent* gains without Whey.

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But WITH copious amounts of anabolic-androgenic steroids.

So?
That has nothing to do with the *type* of protein i consume.
And i am still 240 when i get of the juice. Which i wont.

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You really
should add that little proviso when making such statements.

Thats the same as saying "i had great results with overhead and presses and
dips, but i *also* used AS"
The AS doesnt make these exercises less/more valuable, nor does AS IN or
DEcrease the value of milk protein VS Whey protein.

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I mean, come on... the stuff was considered a side "effect" for years, and
now its the magic bullet?

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It's a matter of timing, and the literature supports that more and
more each year.

Which is why i use Whey from time to time, pre and post workout.
I just dont take 365 days a year.
I see a lot of people switching from milk protein powder to Whey, what i do
NOT see, are the rusults.
Okay, i know one guy, who takes Whey with water every single day, and the
whole purpose is to stay is lean as possible. And it works. But then again,
he also takes stanazolol year round..

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Pete

"msamson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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I HATE to spend money on gimmicks that dont work. Which is why i use a
cheap, generic multi/vit/min tab everyday.

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Do you notice a difference in how you feel, or is it possible that
you're pissing most of it out?

Yes, thats possible. I just take in the "better safe then sorry" kinda way.
I might add that i drink 2 liters of milk (mentioned before used in the
shakes) 2 liters of fruit juice and "healthy" foods in general. I eat junk
once or twice a week, a truckload on those days. But i still drink te shakes
and fruitjuice.

And no, i dont notice feel any difference how i feel.
I DO feel a difference when i add Whey. It makes me a little dizzy, but in a
addictive kinda way. Difficult to explain, but right after a shake i cant
wait to make another one. Weird.

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(we eat raw fish over here...)

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Where exactly are you? I have been trying to find sashimi grade fish
with no luck. I love raw mackerel.

Netherlands.
But we only eat the Haring raw.

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Because i increase the intake of protein while on steroids. I increase
the

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Just curious what steroids you take.

On a cycle i take testosterone/nandrolone. Or only testosterone.
Four years ago i started to add Dianabol (Naposim) and later i added
oxymetholone. (Anadrol-50)

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2 liters of skimmed milk and some whole milk powder. Very cheap AND very
effective.

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Are you fairly lean or smooth?

Both.
I am lean and a bit smooth. I dont have THAT much bodyfat, but i seem to
hold a little water, and i suspect my skin is fairly thick. This might be
the result of androgens, but i suspect the milk/milk protein or lactose
might result in a smooth look. I am not sure.

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Wouldn't that much milk sugar be alot
of carbs resulting in too much excess energy?

Lactose is a carb just like any other, with a fairly good GI.
If i notice an increase in bodyfat, i might eat a little less, but i will
continue to take the shakes. But my bodyfat is pretty stable for the last 10
years or so. And YES the AS probably helped. (ignore that last sentence...)

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Pete

"Tom Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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msamson said:

80 posts and not one answer to the original question re: oxidized
cholesterol in whole egg powder.

So buy a mass spectrometer and get to it! Chop chop!

Too expensive. I prefer my local Rent-To-Own Store. They have a combo
deal...a GC-MS and a 60 inch high-def TV for one low weekly rental fee.

David

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And no, i dont notice feel any difference how i feel.
I DO feel a difference when i add Whey. It makes me a little dizzy, but in a
addictive kinda way. Difficult to explain, but right after a shake i cant
wait to make another one. Weird.

That's interesting -- i've never heard as dizziness being a side effect
from whey before. It causes me insomnia, but i'm thinking it's the
cocoa or stevia they use in the brand I used to buy. If I buy the whey
isolate CFM cold filtered, it will be just plain clean whey without
colours or sweeteners.

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On a cycle i take testosterone/nandrolone. Or only testosterone.
Four years ago i started to add Dianabol (Naposim) and later i added
oxymetholone. (Anadrol-50)

How old are you? Just curious because it seems to appear that you've
been juicing for years. Just wondering if you consider it harmless or
if you've noticed and bad long lasting side effects so far? How tall
are you? At 240 that is some substantial weight...do you not think you
may be harming your body long term?

"msamson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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And no, i dont notice feel any difference how i feel.
I DO feel a difference when i add Whey. It makes me a little dizzy, but
in a
addictive kinda way. Difficult to explain, but right after a shake i cant
wait to make another one. Weird.

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That's interesting -- i've never heard as dizziness being a side effect
from whey before. It causes me insomnia, but i'm thinking it's the
cocoa or stevia they use in the brand I used to buy. If I buy the whey
isolate CFM cold filtered, it will be just plain clean whey without
colours or sweeteners.

Maybe its not the Whey, but the other ingredients.
At this moment, i dont have a bucket in the house, so i cant check the
contents. All i know from the top of my head is that its 80% and vanilla
flavoured.

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On a cycle i take testosterone/nandrolone. Or only testosterone.
Four years ago i started to add Dianabol (Naposim) and later i added
oxymetholone. (Anadrol-50)

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How old are you?

41.

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Just curious because it seems to appear that you've
been juicing for years.

First cycle in 86, 200mg nandrolone.

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Just wondering if you consider it harmless or
if you've noticed and bad long lasting side effects so far?

I really am clueless about this, and so are the doctors.
I had a blood clog in my leg a few times. Wether or not this is the result
of AS, nobody knows.

Other then that, i am in perfect health.
A LOT healthier then the avarage Joe over here who drink/smoke and sit with
their ass on the couch all day

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How tall
are you?

6 feet.

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At 240 that is some substantial weight...

No, im 260-265.
I would be 240 if i would stop completely. I did that several times.

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do you not think you
may be harming your body long term?

I hope not 😉
So far so good.
I really cant tell whats going in to happen 10 years from now.
But i dont seem to have any genetic pre-disposition to get cardiovascular
trouble or high cholesterol.

Keep in mind that i do NOT consider myself a "Juicehead" or a "Juicepig" (I
hate those words...)
My dosages where always a bit conservative, and for the most part, non
liver-toxic injectables.

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Pete

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Maybe its not the Whey, but the other ingredients.
At this moment, i dont have a bucket in the house, so i cant check the
contents. All i know from the top of my head is that its 80% and vanilla
flavoured.

Could potentially be from the flavourings or artificial sweeteners (if
used).

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41.

Interesting, I would have considered much younger considering
enhancement supplements.

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Other then that, i am in perfect health.
A LOT healthier then the avarage Joe over here who drink/smoke and sit with
their ass on the couch all day

You make a very good point there.

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Keep in mind that i do NOT consider myself a "Juicehead" or a "Juicepig" (I
hate those words...)
My dosages where always a bit conservative, and for the most part, non
liver-toxic injectables.

What would you say would be the best steroid overall -- deca? Or best
stack -- deca/sust?

How many cycles do you do per year?

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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[x] tom
[x] DZ
[x] Pete

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Hey... wait a minute!
I am number 3 AND ahead of John???????

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I want to be number 1....

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The list is not ranked or sequential, it's arranged at random.

Actually, the right answer would be;

"The day is still young..." (Above the Law, 1988)

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Steve uses "kettlebelles", Curt...
Other then that, he seems like a nice guy.

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Kettle whats?

Kettlebells.

Cannon-balls with handles attached too it.
Click on Steves URL and read the articles. I did. BTW, Steve has a striking
resemblence with some of the weightlifters from Kazachstan, or any other
southern former Soviet-state...

BTW, i hate people who keep repeating on and on and on that "deadlifts" are
THE way to gain weight.
In the past, i would hate the powerlifters here, but they seem to have taken
over this group. I will accept their presence.

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Pete

"msamson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Maybe its not the Whey, but the other ingredients.
At this moment, i dont have a bucket in the house, so i cant check the
contents. All i know from the top of my head is that its 80% and vanilla
flavoured.

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Could potentially be from the flavourings or artificial sweeteners (if
used).

Could be.
I will see if can google the brand and check out the contents.
Some amino acids have, like tryptophan, have certain effects on the nervous
system.

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41.

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Interesting, I would have considered much younger considering
enhancement supplements.

Actually, its more logical to start at around 30, when T-levels begin to
decline.

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Keep in mind that i do NOT consider myself a "Juicehead" or a "Juicepig"
(I
hate those words...)
My dosages where always a bit conservative, and for the most part, non
liver-toxic injectables.

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What would you say would be the best steroid overall -- deca?

Good question.
Safest, or with the least side effects, Deca. Best overall, testosterone. If
you get side effects from it, usually if taken in dosages in excess of
750/week, its easy to couteract them.

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Or best
stack -- deca/sust?

Good, but not THE best.
You would still need to add some orals to get the best effect.

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How many cycles do you do per year?

I normally did two each year.
With injectables only i would go for 3 months, with the addition of orals 2
months. Followed by HCG, later followed by anti estrogens, later followed by
Primobolan and Proviron.

Last cycle i did was almost 2 years ago. It was a pretty heavy cycle
I stacked a gram of test with 400 Deca/week, stacked with 50mg oxymetholone
and 40 mg Dianabol.
Aprox. 2 grams of very potent androgens/week, so i decided to take it easy
for a while...

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Pete

msamson said:

Hi everyone,

I'm wondering if anyone has any insight on how harsh the processing is
of various protein powders such as Whey as well as Whole Egg, and Egg
White.

I do understand that there are a tonne of studies that suggest that
whey protein has a high absorption in the body and has all the immune
system enhancing effects.

HOWEVER,

Common sense tells me that whey is made from cooked milk (pasteurized)
which must exert a negative effect on the amino acids. Furthermore, it
is then processed to separate the protein from the carbs and fats.

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From my research, this is done by using either acids (hydrochloric?) or

enzymes. Since I am primarily interested in an Isolate, after this
concentrated protein is separated from the other fats/carbs it is then
put through a CFM filtration that is done under cold conditions.

My question is, after all of this -- how is it possible that a healthy
product exists? Would there not be severe denaturing from the initial
pasteurization, as well as cross linking between amino acids?

Do you have any idea what happens to milk before it even comes out of
the cow??? Dude, acids, bases, heat, complex chemical reactions,
RUN!!!!

--
Is this thing on?

JMWhat-a-maroon! said:

Tom Anderson said:

msamson said:

80 posts and not one answer to the original question re: oxidized
cholesterol in whole egg powder.

So buy a mass spectrometer and get to it! Chop chop!

You wouldn't happen to have a deuterium-labeled standard that he could
borrow, would you?

I recommend either the Uranium PU-36 modulator or the Illudium PU-36.
Take your pick, really. Both work just as well.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

msamson said:

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

msamson said:

I'm not sure if you are all here to argue or what. I really don't care
about the sodium issue. I would like more opinions on whey protein
isolate cold filtered.

Pretty much all you will ever need to know:

http://brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=25

Mr. Brink,

It's a pleasure to have you in this newsgroup. In fact, I read that
article during my researching of whey proteins. This is why I settled
for whey isolate CFM cold filtered if I get any powder at all.

I have not looked at your website in depth but will assume you have
nothing to gain from promoting powders. Would you say that in your
honest opinion and expertise, that using a whey isolate will positively
enhance one's gains and health if they already have a decent amount of
protein in the diet?

I have already ruled out casein and egg powders for health reasons, so
only remains whey isolate CFM cold filtered....or nothing. I did alot
of googling on this newsgroup and found that someone (Lyle?) indicates
that whey digests too fast. I found this snippet too that "Lyle"
wrote:

"whey is vastly overrated and I have the clinical research to totally
prove it.
Casein is a much better general use protein.
Jeff Feliciano and I are going to write an article about it for Flex. "

So as you can see, i'm a little confused on whether whey is worth to
take or not. Your honest answer is greatly appreciated.

Simply depends on why you are taking it and when. Read my other articles
about whey and the studies I quote showing effects on immunity, GSH,
cancer, etc, etc. on my web site. No, whey will not turn you into Mr
Olympia. Only great genetics and loads of drugs will do that.

--
Will Brink @ www.BrinkZone.com

Pete said:

BTW, Steve has a striking resemblence with some of the weightlifters
from Kazachstan, or any other southern former Soviet-state...

I know what you mean, but really he doesn't; and Kazakhs don't look
like "any other" southern former Soviets. They have more Asiatic
features (http://images.google.com/images?q=Kazakhs) while Steve or me
look more like Arabs or perhaps Armenians, due to the presence of
certain genes. I have been suspected as "theirs" on many occasions by
both Arabs and Armenians, and in fact I just recently worked with an
Australian Armenian guy who called me his twin brother because of the
striking resemblance. Also, Cohen's last name is really Kogan, but plz
don't tell anyone.

DZ said:

Pete said:

BTW, Steve has a striking resemblence with some of the weightlifters
from Kazachstan, or any other southern former Soviet-state...

I know what you mean, but really he doesn't; and Kazakhs don't look
like "any other" southern former Soviets. They have more Asiatic
features (http://images.google.com/images?q=Kazakhs) while Steve or me
look more like Arabs or perhaps Armenians, due to the presence of
certain genes. I have been suspected as "theirs" on many occasions by
both Arabs and Armenians, and in fact I just recently worked with an
Australian Armenian guy who called me his twin brother because of the
striking resemblance. Also, Cohen's last name is really Kogan, but plz
don't tell anyone.

Reminds of an old Gilda Randner SNL skit on "Soviet jewelry" ...

Pete said:

"DZ" schreef:

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BTW, Steve has a striking resemblence with some of the weightlifters
from Kazachstan, or any other southern former Soviet-state...

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I know what you mean, but really he doesn't; and Kazakhs don't look
like "any other" southern former Soviets.

Yeah... but he has that thick curly black hair. I find that very suspicious.

So do I, when I let it grow. It makes the head look bigger (hence
smarter), and it does make everyone suspicious. AND FOR A GOOD REASON!

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They have more Asiatic
features (http://images.google.com/images?q=Kazakhs) while Steve or me
look more like Arabs or perhaps Armenians, due to the presence of
certain genes.

Thanks to good old Djengis.

....

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According to my father, who was a prisoner in WW-2 in Germany, South/East
Russians are one of the ugliest people on the planet. And he was right.

hmm... I don't think I'd agree with that, besides, once again, South -
South East former Soviet phenotypes are quite diverse (e.g. compare
Georgians and Kazakhs).

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I have been suspected as "theirs" on many occasions by
both Arabs and Armenians, and in fact I just recently worked with an
Australian Armenian guy who called me his twin brother because of the
striking resemblance.

You? I whatched your "muscle -up" video. Didnt see any signs of
"Russian genetics."

I was referring to Eastern-European Semitic phenotype - that's why I
brought up Kogan which is a Russian/Ukrainian Jewish surname version
of Cohen. OTOH, Russian-looking Russians, no matter how blond,
typically have certain Mongol facial features, but that makes them
only more attractive (to me anyway).

"DZ" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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> BTW, Steve has a striking resemblence with some of the weightlifters
> from Kazachstan, or any other southern former Soviet-state...

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I know what you mean, but really he doesn't; and Kazakhs don't look
like "any other" southern former Soviets.

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Yeah... but he has that thick curly black hair. I find that very
suspicious.

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So do I, when I let it grow.

No [censored]... i am beginning to see a pattern.
You are not using "kettlebells"... are you?

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It makes the head look bigger (hence
smarter), and it does make everyone suspicious. AND FOR A GOOD REASON!

You can say that again.

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They have more Asiatic
features (http://images.google.com/images?q=Kazakhs) while Steve or me
look more like Arabs or perhaps Armenians, due to the presence of
certain genes.

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Thanks to good old Djengis.

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According to my father, who was a prisoner in WW-2 in Germany, South/East
Russians are one of the ugliest people on the planet. And he was right.

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hmm... I don't think I'd agree with that, besides, once again, South -
South East former Soviet phenotypes are quite diverse (e.g. compare
Georgians and Kazakhs).

Actually he reffered to the "Russians" that lived near Mongolia. I mean,
THEY are ugly.

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I have been suspected as "theirs" on many occasions by
both Arabs and Armenians, and in fact I just recently worked with an
Australian Armenian guy who called me his twin brother because of the
striking resemblance.

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You? I whatched your "muscle -up" video. Didnt see any signs of
"Russian genetics."

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I was referring to Eastern-European Semitic phenotype - that's why I
brought up Kogan which is a Russian/Ukrainian Jewish surname version
of Cohen. OTOH, Russian-looking Russians, no matter how blond,
typically have certain Mongol facial features, but that makes them
only more attractive (to me anyway).

Boris Jeltsin was blond and had that typical Mongolian face. The man was
ugly.

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Pete

Pete said:

"DZ" schreef:

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>> BTW, Steve has a striking resemblence with some of the weightlifters
>> from Kazachstan, or any other southern former Soviet-state...

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> I know what you mean, but really he doesn't; and Kazakhs don't look
> like "any other" southern former Soviets.

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Yeah... but he has that thick curly black hair. I find that very
suspicious.

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So do I, when I let it grow.

No [censored]... i am beginning to see a pattern.
You are not using "kettlebells"... are you?

Pete, you're definitely on to something. I was just thinking the same
the other day. I used to use kettlebells before I left Russia, true,
but I always thought that it was for the reasons of their ubiquity.
Perhaps I was mistaken. I wonder if Jason E's hair have a hint of
being not quite straight.

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According to my father, who was a prisoner in WW-2 in Germany, South/East
Russians are one of the ugliest people on the planet. And he was right.

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hmm... I don't think I'd agree with that, besides, once again, South -
South East former Soviet phenotypes are quite diverse (e.g. compare
Georgians and Kazakhs).

Actually he reffered to the "Russians" that lived near Mongolia. I mean,
THEY are ugly.

I'll give you that: some of those Native Siberian girls are so cute,
it's ugly. Actually I once posted a picture of me with a girl who is
25% Native Siberian, and yes she's very pretty.

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"DZ" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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>> BTW, Steve has a striking resemblence with some of the weightlifters
>> from Kazachstan, or any other southern former Soviet-state...

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> I know what you mean, but really he doesn't; and Kazakhs don't look
> like "any other" southern former Soviets.

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Yeah... but he has that thick curly black hair. I find that very
suspicious.

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So do I, when I let it grow.

No [censored]... i am beginning to see a pattern.
You are not using "kettlebells"... are you?

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It makes the head look bigger (hence
smarter), and it does make everyone suspicious. AND FOR A GOOD REASON!

You can say that again.

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> They have more Asiatic
> features (http://images.google.com/images?q=Kazakhs) while Steve or me
> look more like Arabs or perhaps Armenians, due to the presence of
> certain genes.

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Thanks to good old Djengis.

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According to my father, who was a prisoner in WW-2 in Germany,
South/East
Russians are one of the ugliest people on the planet. And he was right.

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hmm... I don't think I'd agree with that, besides, once again, South -
South East former Soviet phenotypes are quite diverse (e.g. compare
Georgians and Kazakhs).

Actually he reffered to the "Russians" that lived near Mongolia. I mean,
THEY are ugly.

In my continuing effort to move all threads on to guns and/or dogs: Dr Carl
Semencic, an anthropologist who has a life long interest in dogs and their
evolution, and has written three best selling books on the subject,
theorized that brachycephalic (short-faced) breeds, like the Pug and
Pekingese, were developed by the Chinese influenced by the invasion of the
short-face Mongols.

David

"DZ" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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No [censored]... i am beginning to see a pattern.
You are not using "kettlebells"... are you?

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Pete, you're definitely on to something. I was just thinking the same
the other day. I used to use kettlebells before I left Russia, true...

You actually are admitting you are a spy !?!?!?

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but I always thought that it was for the reasons of their ubiquity.
Perhaps I was mistaken. I wonder if Jason E's hair have a hint of
being not quite straight.

I have think about that one...

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> According to my father, who was a prisoner in WW-2 in Germany,
> South/East
> Russians are one of the ugliest people on the planet. And he was right.

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hmm... I don't think I'd agree with that, besides, once again, South -
South East former Soviet phenotypes are quite diverse (e.g. compare
Georgians and Kazakhs).

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Actually he reffered to the "Russians" that lived near Mongolia. I mean,
THEY are ugly.

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I'll give you that: some of those Native Siberian girls are so cute,
it's ugly.

You mean in a Pitt-Bull kinda way? I love those dogs.
I dont have a dog, but if ever purchase a dog, its a Pit-Bull. An AMERICAN
Pit-bull.
Sometimes i think that i am the only patriot here..

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Actually I once posted a picture of me with a girl who is
25% Native Siberian, and yes she's very pretty.

You dont mind me asking what the other 75% is?

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Pete