Protein Powder Processing

msamson <[email hidden]> wrote:

I scribbled re msamson

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<snip>He pegged JMW for being an [censored] (okay,
opinion), but then dragged out the old homosexual as a pejorative.

Think I'll just hate everyone.

And while I'm heterosexual, I'm not going to fault ANYone for enjoying
a sexual relationship with another consenting adult. Life's too short
to worry about what other people do behind closed doors.

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Actually the only one that I pegged as a [censored] [censored] is Cohen since
he's a "nurse"...ahahahahahaha.

My aunt's an LPN. Her sister's an RN. My grandma was a nurse. And a
guy I lifted with a bajillion years ago (well, at the same gym,
actually), Sid Brumbach, is an RN, too. Good deadlifter, too. Okay,
more than good - he was a Junior World Power Lifting Champion. See:
http://searchwarp.com/swa2482.htm

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Thus [censored] and [censored].

There's nothing at all "ahahahahahaha"about being a nurse. And there's
also nothing really laugh-worthy about a person's sexuality. Well,
certainly not the way you presented it. Buy a sense of humor and try
again.

Richard Pryor had some good [censored] sucking humor. Start with him.

"[censored] was so fine I'd suck her daddy's [censored]." Now THAT's beautiful.
So take your ahahahahahaha somewhere else. You're not funny.

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Everyone else has been relatively reasonable.

(looks around)

What? EVERYONE here is completely UNreasonable. Especially Tom "I have
no health issues" Anderson. Christ, I just wanna...

And I didn't mention Dally. What is up with her and that kid?
OlympicGymnastBlackBeltComposerSpellingBee champion. She needs help
and her son needs a cookie and a quiet place to lie down.

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I did see your list, and now realize what a crock this newsgroup is.

How so?

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Figures considering that bodybuilders aren't exactly the picture
of health.

Many are. Have to define health.

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Now, I guess I better load up on some protein powder

Right now I have Body Fortress' Premium Whey Protein. Before that I
had a container of Designer Whey.

And, holy [censored], have you checked prices on that Gakic stuff? The clerk
told me it was $79.99 for a tiny bottle. F that. It's always
interesting to read about the hot supplements, but I'll opt for real
food at the grocery store and, yeah, settle for the one-dollar "The
Gakic Miracle" *book* (discounted from $19.99) at the local GNC.

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and sodium!

I'm trying to avoid sodium myself although I don't believe my b.p.
dropped significantly from diet. The treadmill is working for me,
however. (At least that's what I'll attribute a lower b.p. to.)

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haahaha

Hnh. Laughter's the best medicine.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Pete said:

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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he is probably one of the easiest going around here...

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Ooonly a cover.

"YOU BLEW MY COEVER !!!!!"
Remember Arnie, in Verhoevens masterpiece?

Yes, I have that on DVD. The special extras or whatever has Verhoeven
and Arnold (or is it just Verhoeven?) just going off about [censored] and
ass. Very NOT politically correct director commentary. And, yet,
nothing about homosexual [censored] nurses. Odd.

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Om, like you, is a diabolical destroyer of worlds. Do NOT turn your
back.

Doesnt it frighten you that i seem to know so much about you, you in the
general sense as "you Americans" and you know so little about me?

Why is that?

I believe it's because as one of the qualifications of a truly Ugly
American, we must refrain from learning ANYTHING about any culture
other than our own. Xenophobia rocks!

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Could it be that over here, the "market" is satutated and that i am send to
see where i can expend? I mean, with an avarage production, of, lets say 10
million pills it would be nice to ensure my "friends" we have custumors...
And you dont make friends by being nasty, now do you?

Just kidding, of course.... 😉

That's a quote from An Officer and a Gentleman, something like, "Oh,
yeah, you don't have friends... only CUSTOMERS!" Foley to Mayo at some
point in the flick.

Anyway, I thought that gun owners all had lots of friends. The larger
the caliber, the larger number of friends, right? Picture Brink,
waving a Glock in one hand, combing his hair with the other, and
repeating, "Am I tall? Is my hair thick? We're gonna be good friends,
aren't we?"

Hmm. Well, I can't be funny all the time.

--
Curt

Pete said:

"msamson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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At least there are some decent others like DZ and Steve Friedes that
try to help with some input.

Are you aware of the fact that Steve, and i suspect DZ as well, uses
"kettlebells"?
Those things were invented by the Russians...

Gay Russian nurses, iirc.

--
Curt

Cohen <[email hidden]> wrote:

re "Cohen? He's a yutz."

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Putz.

I won't discount putz, of course. Yes, you are a putz.

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Not yutz.

And now you're an ANNOYING yutz.

[...]

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You AND Curt don't like me?

I hate everyone. It's new.

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Man, that's depressing.

Welcome to Earth, Cohen. It's all depressing. Enjoy your stay.

[...]

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<snip>I'd like to suscribe

Sus what?

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to your newsletter.

[...]

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Don't give Curt advice. He doesn't like it. Go ahead...
tell him his shirt is ugly. You'll see.

But that's my newsletter topic! "My shirt is pretty!"

[...]

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Neener neener. You're a big poopiehead.

I'm crossing you off the subscription list. Sorry. You're just too
mean-spirited.

--
Curt

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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>he is probably one of the easiest going around here...

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Ooonly a cover.

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"YOU BLEW MY COEVER !!!!!"
Remember Arnie, in Verhoevens masterpiece?

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Yes, I have that on DVD.

Yeah, me too.
Another hilariious scene is when the "woman" is trying to get trough
customs...
"twoooooo weeeeeks.... TWOOOOOO WEEEEEEEKS"...

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The special extras or whatever has Verhoeven
and Arnold (or is it just Verhoeven?) just going off about [censored] and
ass.

Yeah, thats Paul. The guy loves that [censored]. He got a "Razzy" for "Showgirls"
didnt he?

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Very NOT politically correct director commentary. And, yet,
nothing about homosexual [censored] nurses. Odd.

Maybe you can find "De vierde Man" (The Fourth Man) in some cult video
store.
Paul is digging a bit, in lets say, homosexuality.

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Om, like you, is a diabolical destroyer of worlds. Do NOT turn your
back.

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Doesnt it frighten you that i seem to know so much about you, you in the
general sense as "you Americans" and you know so little about me?

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Why is that?

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I believe it's because as one of the qualifications of a truly Ugly
American, we must refrain from learning ANYTHING about any culture
other than our own. Xenophobia rocks!

Yeah, well... i believe you guys are 100 times bigger then we are.
Thats probably another reason.

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Could it be that over here, the "market" is satutated and that i am send
to
see where i can expend? I mean, with an avarage production, of, lets say
10
million pills it would be nice to ensure my "friends" we have custumors...
And you dont make friends by being nasty, now do you?

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Just kidding, of course.... 😉

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That's a quote from An Officer and a Gentleman, something like, "Oh,
yeah, you don't have friends... only CUSTOMERS!" Foley to Mayo at some
point in the flick.

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Anyway, I thought that gun owners all had lots of friends. The larger
the caliber, the larger number of friends, right?

If that was true they would be standing in line...

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Picture Brink,
waving a Glock in one hand, combing his hair with the other, and
repeating, "Am I tall? Is my hair thick? We're gonna be good friends,
aren't we?"

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Hmm. Well, I can't be funny all the time.

Well, if you actually visualize the above...

----
Pete

JMWho's-been-stalking-rec.arts.bodyart?
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

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but he's always glad to play Captain Google for the n00bs

[...]

Who? Captain who?

I do believe it's... dant-dant-DAAANNNN!!!!

CapTAIN ~*GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-GLE!*~

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/captgoogle.jpg

Are you feeling lucky?

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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but he's always glad to play Captain Google for the n00bs

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Who? Captain who?

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I do believe it's... dant-dant-DAAANNNN!!!!

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CapTAIN ~*GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-GLE!*~

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/RAB/captgoogle.jpg

AAAHHHH !!!!
Hilarious Curt!

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Are you feeling lucky?

I do.
That picture has a striking resemblence with these things we use at the
shooting club.

----
Pete

80 posts and not one answer to the original question re: oxidized
cholesterol in whole egg powder.

Pete said:

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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See? I hate you, too.

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So, let's take a look at my list of hate...

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[x] tom
[x] DZ
[x] Pete

Hey... wait a minute!
I am number 3 AND ahead of John???????

I want to be number 1....

The list is not ranked or sequential, it's arranged at random. My
hatred burns like the sun for each of you. And I forgot Dally! I hate
her, too. And all her pets. (Does she have pets?) Her kid is off
limits until he turns 13 at which time general apathy will go
supernova and I will hate him like everyone else here.

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[x] JMW
[x] Queen
[x] Charles (Sorry, you have too much fun on the weekends. I'm
jealous.)
[x] David (My pet sheep is sneaking on the Internet at night to IM
you. [censored]!)
[x] Cohen (He encouraged me to continue non-trolling. Condescending
[censored]!)
[x] Om
[x] Larry
[x] Schuh (He has a 29-inch waist. NEED I SAY MORE?)
[x] Hanson
[x] Friedes... Freides (Damn it. I can never remember. That's all the
reason I need.)

Steve uses "kettlebelles", Curt...
Other then that, he seems like a nice guy.

Kettle whats?

[x] Freides (Strange Exercise Equipment from another Planet! Reason
enough to hate.)
[x] joanne (NO bikini pics posted = h-a-t-r-e-d. WTF?)
[x] PFT30K (Cooking steroids, but never cooks enough for EVERYONE!)
[x] Will Brink (Doesn't like Rap music.)
[x] Tambi
[x] q_q_anonymous (HEY, THAT'S NOT HIS REAL NAME AND BLAAAAAAHHHH!!!!)
[x] Ranieri (Man, I can't even BEGIN to pronounce that name = hatred!)
[x] Mr. Natural-Health
[x] Davide

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There are more, but I have an appointment with the treadmill

One hour on the Life Fitness Treadmill.

Sweat happens.

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and must stop for now. Know, however, that there is more than
enough hate to go around!

My lower arms are still 15 inch after a HARD session...

Oh, man. Volume 2 of "Why I hate Pete!" Look for it on Amazon.com.

--
Curt

In article <[email hidden]>,

msamson said:

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As David Cohen has suggested, the sodium in most cheese won't bother
most healthy people. We are big fans of store-bought, store-brand, as
plain as it gets, extra-sharp cheddar cheese in my house. Both my kids
like to eat the stuff plain - slice or grate it, then eat it, no
sandwich or anything else to get in the way.

No thanks. I like to keep my sodium at healthy levels.

Which is?

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From his posts
he's obviously suffering from hypertension. Cheese is LOADED with it
and even though I have no health issues, I would rather keep it that
way. I treat sugar the same way. No i'm not fat, and I rather eat it
that way.

In article <[email hidden]>,

msamson said:

I'm not sure if you are all here to argue or what. I really don't care
about the sodium issue. I would like more opinions on whey protein
isolate cold filtered.

Pretty much all you will ever need to know:

http://brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=25

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

msamson said:

I'm not sure if you are all here to argue or what. I really don't care
about the sodium issue. I would like more opinions on whey protein
isolate cold filtered.

Pretty much all you will ever need to know:

http://brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=25

Mr. Brink,

It's a pleasure to have you in this newsgroup. In fact, I read that
article during my researching of whey proteins. This is why I settled
for whey isolate CFM cold filtered if I get any powder at all.

I have not looked at your website in depth but will assume you have
nothing to gain from promoting powders. Would you say that in your
honest opinion and expertise, that using a whey isolate will positively
enhance one's gains and health if they already have a decent amount of
protein in the diet?

I have already ruled out casein and egg powders for health reasons, so
only remains whey isolate CFM cold filtered....or nothing. I did alot
of googling on this newsgroup and found that someone (Lyle?) indicates
that whey digests too fast. I found this snippet too that "Lyle"
wrote:

"whey is vastly overrated and I have the clinical research to totally
prove it.
Casein is a much better general use protein.
Jeff Feliciano and I are going to write an article about it for Flex. "

So as you can see, i'm a little confused on whether whey is worth to
take or not. Your honest answer is greatly appreciated.

"msamson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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I have already ruled out casein and egg powders for health reasons, so
only remains whey isolate CFM cold filtered....or nothing. I did alot
of googling on this newsgroup and found that someone (Lyle?) indicates
that whey digests too fast. I found this snippet too that "Lyle"
wrote:

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"whey is vastly overrated and I have the clinical research to totally
prove it.
Casein is a much better general use protein.
Jeff Feliciano and I are going to write an article about it for Flex. "

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So as you can see, i'm a little confused on whether whey is worth to
take or not. Your honest answer is greatly appreciated.

When it comes to nutrition i would trust both Lyle and Will...

But... just out of curiousity, why are making such a big deal about the whey
protein?
Like i said, just curiues.

For myself, i make "protein" shakes with skimmed milk, added by whole *milk*
powder, NOT protein powder, and a few bananas. I get the rest of my protein
from eggs, fish, meat. I can assure,you i get a LOT of protein.

Once or twice a year, during several "periods", i like to add Whey to my
shakes.
One shake an hour before the the workout, and one shake after. Thats it.

----
Pete

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When it comes to nutrition i would trust both Lyle and Will...

Thanks for the reference. I just hope they don't have -opposite-
opinions!

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But... just out of curiousity, why are making such a big deal about the whey
protein?
Like i said, just curiues.

Basically because I don't want to spend money for something that does
either nothing, or hinders my health. It's the same reason i'm
critical about fish oil, other supplements, etc. I like to gather as
much knowledge as I can myself in order to make an informed critical
decision instead of just going by what the masses believe.

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For myself, i make "protein" shakes with skimmed milk, added by whole *milk*
powder, NOT protein powder, and a few bananas. I get the rest of my protein
from eggs, fish, meat. I can assure,you i get a LOT of protein.

Seems like it.

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Once or twice a year, during several "periods", i like to add Whey to my
shakes.
One shake an hour before the the workout, and one shake after. Thats it.

Why only once or twice per year? Why not more often? Or is it because
you are cutting or bulking at certain times?

So overall, i'm assuming you are making decent gains WITHOUT whey
powder, yes? So, if you would add the powder would it:

1. help gain more
2. give you --too much-- protein
3. do nothing

"msamson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Thanks for the reference. I just hope they don't have -opposite-
opinions!

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But... just out of curiousity, why are making such a big deal about the
whey
protein?
Like i said, just curiues.

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Basically because I don't want to spend money for something that does
either nothing, or hinders my health. It's the same reason i'm
critical about fish oil, other supplements, etc. I like to gather as
much knowledge as I can myself in order to make an informed critical
decision instead of just going by what the masses believe.

Seems like we have something in common.

I HATE to spend money on gimmicks that dont work. Which is why i use a
cheap, generic multi/vit/min tab everyday.
And lots of protein from animal sources.
The fish oil i get is from sandwisches with sardines, and a raw haring every
nowc and then.
(we eat raw fish over here...)
And of course the steak is consumed medium/rare.

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Once or twice a year, during several "periods", i like to add Whey to my
shakes.
One shake an hour before the the workout, and one shake after. Thats it.

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Why only once or twice per year? Why not more often? Or is it because
you are cutting or bulking at certain times?

Oh.
Because i increase the intake of protein while on steroids. I increase the
intake in food a bit, and throw a few extra spoons in the shakes. I am NOT
gonna eat 7 times a day. No way.

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So overall, i'm assuming you are making decent gains WITHOUT whey
powder, yes?

I became aware of "Whey" protein because i read it here in this NG, about 6
years ago.
Before that i consumed mainly "plain" milk protein. And still do.
2 liters of skimmed milk and some whole milk powder. Very cheap AND very
effective.

I made *excellent* gains without Whey.
I mean, come on... the stuff was considered a side "effect" for years, and
now its the magic bullet?

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So, if you would add the powder would it:

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1. help gain more
2. give you --too much-- protein
3. do nothing

I suspect 1
But i do it, because fore me its very convienient.
An extra steak, 200 grams or so, or 6 extra eggs would have the same effect.
Although i have to admit that the quick "absorption" might help a bit.

I know people who spend a few hundred Euros each month on Whey, and dont
gain anything.
Stick to regular milk protein, and use the Whey to supplement that. Best
option i think.

----
Pete

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I HATE to spend money on gimmicks that dont work. Which is why i use a
cheap, generic multi/vit/min tab everyday.

Do you notice a difference in how you feel, or is it possible that
you're pissing most of it out?

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(we eat raw fish over here...)

Where exactly are you? I have been trying to find sashimi grade fish
with no luck. I love raw mackerel.

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Because i increase the intake of protein while on steroids. I increase the

Just curious what steroids you take.

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2 liters of skimmed milk and some whole milk powder. Very cheap AND very
effective.

Are you fairly lean or smooth? Wouldn't that much milk sugar be alot
of carbs resulting in too much excess energy?

Pete said:

I made *excellent* gains without Whey.

But WITH copious amounts of anabolic-androgenic steroids. You really
should add that little proviso when making such statements.

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I mean, come on... the stuff was considered a side "effect" for years, and
now its the magic bullet?

It's a matter of timing, and the literature supports that more and
more each year.

David Cohen said:

"Tom Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote

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msamson said:

> As David Cohen has suggested, the sodium in most cheese won't bother
> most healthy people.

No thanks. I like to keep my sodium at healthy levels. From his
posts he's obviously suffering from hypertension. Cheese is LOADED
with it and even though I have no health issues, I would rather keep
it that way. I treat sugar the same way. No i'm not fat, and I
rather eat it that way.

I eat loads of cheese. I'm not fat, and don't have any health issues.

Oh, Tom, we didn't want to have to break it to you this way, but, your
doctor called. You have Congenital Impacted Flatulence Syndrome, and
only have a few months left. We are SO sorry 🙁

If you're trying to tell me i'm dealing with a major pain in the [censored],
then i knew that.

tom

--
Do more with less -- R. Buckminster Fuller

Curt James said:

Tom Anderson <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I eat loads of cheese. I'm not fat, and don't have any health issues.

tom

See? I hate you, too.

Would it help if i said i don't have any health issues *yet*?

tom

--
Do more with less -- R. Buckminster Fuller

msamson said:

80 posts and not one answer to the original question re: oxidized
cholesterol in whole egg powder.

So buy a mass spectrometer and get to it! Chop chop!

tom

--
Do more with less -- R. Buckminster Fuller