Protein Powder Processing

JMWhat-a-crock-of-sh!t <[email hidden]> wrote:

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<snip> And that's why people here treat you like that. If you
already think you know everything, why are you asking questions?

If you want answers to your questions in this newsgroup, you would be
well advised to leave your pop-health preconceived notions behind.
Otherwise, Google it yourself.

There has been more than one humble and respectful person who has
entered this newsgroup and been met by idiocy.

Imo, the possession of so-called pop-health preconceived notions has
little to do with the response garnered by many MFW patrons.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

msamson <[email hidden]> wrote:

re JMW

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I never said I know everything, and my posts never implied that.
Perhaps you should re-read my posts instead of making up [censored].

Bingo. You pegged him.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote >>

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"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"msamson" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> As David Cohen has suggested, the sodium in most cheese won't bother
>> most healthy people. We are big fans of store-bought, store-brand, as
>> plain as it gets, extra-sharp cheddar cheese in my house. Both my
>> kids
>> like to eat the stuff plain - slice or grate it, then eat it, no
>> sandwich or anything else to get in the way.
>
> No thanks. I like to keep my sodium at healthy levels. From his posts
> he's obviously suffering from hypertension. Cheese is LOADED with it
> and even though I have no health issues, I would rather keep it that
> way. I treat sugar the same way. No i'm not fat, and I rather eat it
> that way.

Ah, but there you have it, the word "healthy" - you may be misinformed
about what constitutes a healthy level of sodium in the diet. And we
all know what low-sodium cheese tastes like.

<whisper> Steve, just buy a couple of his pot holders and stop arguing
with the retarded guy!</>

You know, I started one more reply to him, and was going to reply to this
message with "Well, I'll just do one more" but, thinking about it further,
I think you're right, so I'll quit here.

You know, my wife doesn't call them "pot holders" - she calls them "hot
mats." I don't get that. I call them pot holders, too. And we grew up
about 20 miles away from each other, so it's not like it could be regional
thing. What's up with that?

Maybe it's where her family grew up. Hot mat...no, never heard that one.

Back East, we made hamburgers out of "chopped meat", drove on "Route 80",
spent summers at "the shore", and went hiking in "the woods".

Out West, we eat ground beef, drive on Interstate or I-80, go to the beach,
and hike in the forest.

Of course, msamson is retarded on both coasts.

David

I'm not sure if you are all here to argue or what. I really don't care
about the sodium issue. I would like more opinions on whey protein
isolate cold filtered. Do the body/muscles benefit from this protein
or not? Is it all "damaged" protein from the heating, acids,
filtering, etc. or are they good aminos rich in BCAA's? I have
researched a tonne and haven't found too much in the negatives.

The negatives on the powders I have found from researching the Weston
Price Foundation.

What about free form BCAA's? Waste of money because they don't do
anything, or effective pre and post workout?

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Cohen is an RN.

[censored]. An RN?

Oh, wait, I guess only doctors are supposed to have a nice bedside
manner. Cohen? He's a yutz.

His backhanded compliment (elsewhere in this ng) "See how nice
non-trolling is? Keep it up 🙂" was like someone offering, "Hey, nice
shirt... makes that tie look not so much like [censored]."

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4 year BS

See? BS, just like I said.

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degree, and several years experience.
I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)

Except for when he doesn't.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"JMW" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)

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Possibly more than a lot of physicians, who usually hand out
pre-fabricated advice, often in little hand-out sheets, and move you
out so they can bring in the next patient.

Yes.

And i sure as hell hope do dont have to find out the hard way.
You know, they*might* put something like "we are dealing with an exteremely
aggressive patient here" in your file, just because you, very politely,
pointed out a few "errors" here and there...

I am writing letter after letter to get rid of that "file"...

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Pete

The exteremely obese man, WITH adiposatos, because his BMI was higher then
35...

DZ said:

msamson said:

Another homosexual [censored] brainwashed quack!

What is worse in your opinion, homosexuality or glutamate?

I noticed that, too. He pegged JMW for being an [censored] (okay,
opinion), but then dragged out the old homosexual as a pejorative.

Think I'll just hate everyone.

And while I'm heterosexual, I'm not going to fault ANYone for enjoying
a sexual relationship with another consenting adult. Life's too short
to worry about what other people do behind closed doors.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Pete <[email hidden]> wrote:

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re Om

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he is probably one of the easiest going around here...

Ooonly a cover.

Om, like you, is a diabolical destroyer of worlds. Do NOT turn your
back.

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Curt

Tom Anderson <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I eat loads of cheese. I'm not fat, and don't have any health issues.

tom

See? I hate you, too.

So, let's take a look at my list of hate...

[x] tom
[x] DZ
[x] Pete
[x] JMW
[x] Queen
[x] Charles (Sorry, you have too much fun on the weekends. I'm
jealous.)
[x] David (My pet sheep is sneaking on the Internet at night to IM
you. [censored]!)
[x] Cohen (He encouraged me to continue non-trolling. Condescending
[censored]!)
[x] Om
[x] Larry
[x] Schuh (He has a 29-inch waist. NEED I SAY MORE?)
[x] Hanson
[x] Friedes... Freides (Damn it. I can never remember. That's all the
reason I need.)

There are more, but I have an appointment with the treadmill and must
stop for now. Know, however, that there is more than enough hate to go
around!

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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I noticed that, too. He pegged JMW for being an [censored] (okay,
opinion), but then dragged out the old homosexual as a pejorative.

Think I'll just hate everyone.

And while I'm heterosexual, I'm not going to fault ANYone for enjoying
a sexual relationship with another consenting adult. Life's too short
to worry about what other people do behind closed doors.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Actually the only one that I pegged as a [censored] [censored] is Cohen since
he's a "nurse"...ahahahahahaha. Thus [censored] and [censored]. Everyone else
has been relatively reasonable. I did see your list, and now realize
what a crock this newsgroup is. Figures considering that bodybuilders
aren't exactly the picture of health.

Now, I guess I better load up on some protein powder and sodium! haahaha

msamson <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Let me guess, you don't have many friends either do you,
for surely if you acted toward others the way you do here
you certainly wouldn't get very far.

Ever see that mpeg online about real world versus
Internet/newsgroups/chat... what was it? Anyway, Usenet is a
magnifying glass in some respects as well as a good reason to drop a
lot of civility barriers.

This is why I choose to simply hate everyone from now on.

And, hey, what was that crack about homosexual [censored]? You jerk.
You're making the heterosexual [censored] feel left out. Sheesh.

Let me guess, you don't have many friends either, do you? For *surely*
if you acted toward others the way you do here, well, you certainly
wouldn't get very far!

Hmmm. That sounds strangely familiar for some reason.

No matter.

TREADMILL! NOW!

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"msamson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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At least there are some decent others like DZ and Steve Friedes that
try to help with some input.

Are you aware of the fact that Steve, and i suspect DZ as well, uses
"kettlebells"?
Those things were invented by the Russians...

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Pete

"msamson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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And while I'm heterosexual, I'm not going to fault ANYone for enjoying
a sexual relationship with another consenting adult. Life's too short

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Actually the only one that I pegged as a [censored] [censored] is Cohen since
he's a "nurse"...ahahahahahaha. Thus [censored] and [censored].

Homos and [censored]... hmm... sound like a file i recently downloaded.

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Everyone else
has been relatively reasonable. I did see your list, and now realize
what a crock this newsgroup is. Figures considering that bodybuilders
aren't exactly the picture of health.

You figured that out allready?

About the sodium...
It is generally accepted that too much can lead to health problems...

HOWEVER,

A Dutch doctor, who supervised the National Soccer-team in Florida, 1994,
concluded that under certain circumstances, lets say, swichting to a
moderate sea climate to a tropical one, it would be BETTER to INcrease the
sodium intake, along with lots of water, to keep blood pressure DOWN.

This might also be a good suggestion for the elderly, when temperatur rises
above 30 degrees celcius.

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Now, I guess I better load up on some protein powder and sodium! haahaha

Works for me.

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Pete

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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he is probably one of the easiest going around here...

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Ooonly a cover.

"YOU BLEW MY COEVER !!!!!"
Remember Arnie, in Verhoevens masterpiece?

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Om, like you, is a diabolical destroyer of worlds. Do NOT turn your
back.

Doesnt it frighten you that i seem to know so much about you, you in the
general sense as "you Americans" and you know so little about me?

Why is that?

Could it be that over here, the "market" is satutated and that i am send to
see where i can expend? I mean, with an avarage production, of, lets say 10
million pills it would be nice to ensure my "friends" we have custumors...
And you dont make friends by being nasty, now do you?

Just kidding, of course.... 😉

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Pete

"Curt James" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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See? I hate you, too.

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So, let's take a look at my list of hate...

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[x] tom
[x] DZ
[x] Pete

Hey... wait a minute!
I am number 3 AND ahead of John???????

I want to be number 1....

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[x] JMW
[x] Queen
[x] Charles (Sorry, you have too much fun on the weekends. I'm
jealous.)
[x] David (My pet sheep is sneaking on the Internet at night to IM
you. [censored]!)
[x] Cohen (He encouraged me to continue non-trolling. Condescending
[censored]!)
[x] Om
[x] Larry
[x] Schuh (He has a 29-inch waist. NEED I SAY MORE?)
[x] Hanson
[x] Friedes... Freides (Damn it. I can never remember. That's all the
reason I need.)

Steve uses "kettlebelles", Curt...
Other then that, he seems like a nice guy.

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There are more, but I have an appointment with the treadmill and must
stop for now. Know, however, that there is more than enough hate to go
around!

My lower arms are still 15 inch after a HARD session...

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Pete

DZ said:

Jason Earl <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I don't eat cheese either, mostly because I am saving all of my
sodium intake for french fries. After all, french fries are
vegetables and they are delicious. I also don't eat much sugar,
but that's mostly because corn syrup is so delicious.

Do you smoke or drink any vegetables, Jason?

When I was a kid we used to play a game where we would put on our
heavy Levi jackets and jeans, spray hairspray on our arms and legs,
wait for a car to come, and then light our arms and legs on fire and
then run across the road screaming and waving our arms. We had a
really good place to hide across the road so one moment you would see
a group of young boys running across the road in front of you on fire,
and the next they would all be gone.

We stopped this game after my brother got ambitious and sprayed
hairspray all over the back of his jacket and accidentally lit his
hair on fire. Fortunately he had a crew cut at the time so he didn't
get hurt very badly, but to this day he still doesn't really have
eyebrows. It's possible that this is a coincidence, but I have an
abundance of eyebrow.

To my knowledge that is these occasions are the only time I have ever
smoked 🙂.

As for drinking vegetables, I don't generally like vegetable juice,
except, of course, for corn syrup. I'm not sure that counts as a
vegetable even though it is made from corn.

Jason

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

"msamson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>> I thought it was 1,500 mg.
>>
>
>Probably ideal...but less than 2000mg is probably acceptable.

And if you're not hypertensive, you can consume and excrete twice that
much sodium. Which is exactly why Cohen said what he did.

And Cohen, to the best of my knowledge, is not significantly
hypertensive. He just knows a lot more about this stuff than you do.

My family doctor told me to stay below 2,000 mg. per day.
It's not that hard.

And what's your blood pressure like? I seem to recall it was bit
high.

Uh, no, it usually is around 110/60.
Sometimes it drops too low.

When systolic drops below 100, I get dizzy.

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Cohen is an RN. 4 year BS degree, and several years experience.
I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. ;-)

Possibly more than a lot of physicians, who usually hand out
pre-fabricated advice, often in little hand-out sheets, and move you
out so they can bring in the next patient.

On that we so totally agree! :-)
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
-- Jack Nicholson

JMWhooof! said:

"msamson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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something re glutamates

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You see, that's the problem with guys like you. You pick up these
little pop-health factoids (which are often the results of junk
science hysteria, anyway), and without any overall understanding of
human physiology, you try to apply them by asking pseudo-informed
"questions" loaded with crappy pre<snip>

And on and on and on...

Just a big block of text. Blecch!

Could you, mmmaaaaybe, just once or twice per year, simply offer an
informational response without all the... snobbishness. I'm not sure
that's the word I'm looking for, but I do know you all too often come
off like a colossal jerk.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

"Tom Anderson" <[email hidden]> schreef:

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Just another question i'm curious about -- why is it that pure isolated
whey protein is white? Why is creatine white? Glutamine white? BCAA's
white? Do they bleach them or something? Or is this just the colour of
aminos?

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The latter. Basically, most substances are colourless - it's only if they
have funky molecular orbitals that they absorb light in the visible
spectrum.

Seems like i can forget about actually seeing Orange steroids after this
post (good one, btw...)

But somehow, i suspect these diabolical scientiest found a way a to "bleach"
all this stuff white, so it can be sold more easily...

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Pete

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Could you, mmmaaaaybe, just once or twice per year, simply offer an
informational response without all the... snobbishness. I'm not sure
that's the word I'm looking for, but I do know you all too often come
off like a colossal jerk.

I think that pretty much sums up every "know it all" here.