Pondering fruit

JC Der Koenig said:

Perhaps that's the reason he's still struggling with that last 20 or
30 pounds.

I don't struggle. I also don't buy cubit's BS.

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Weightloss and appetite this week has more to do with how you were
eating four weeks ago, than it does with what you ate this morning.

Many dieters fail as their short range interpretations of the process
create
excuses for cheating and quitting.

Try not be myopic, Roger.

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Cubit wrote:

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:: The change in appetite from carbs is a slow process. It might
:: take a few weeks of high carbs before one's "appestat" causes
:: higher calorie consumption.

That's just not true.

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Ok, so, if losing weight is more a matter of how much you eat than what
you eat, and low-carb is just a way to control appetite so that it is
easier to eat less, then is eating fruit really such a bad thing, if it
doesn't cause cravings for more carbs? After all, a piece of fruit is
usually low in calories, so if it replaces something higher calorie, one
could lose weight and still eat fruit, right?

According to Atkins.com in the OWL/Moving Beyond Berries section
(http://atkins.com/Archive/2003/2/10-469820.html), the following fruits
are considered Low AGR (Atkins Glycemic Rating):

Apple
Blackberries
Cherries
Cranberries
Grapefruit
Grapefruit juice, unsweetened
Orange
Peach
Pear
Plums
Raspberries
Strawberries
Tangerine

That said, you STILL have to go easy on them and take their carb counts
and possible effects on your blood sugar into effect.

I sometimes have about 3 oz of apple mixed with 1/2 cup plain yogurt,
several drops of Sweetzfree (liquid Splenda) and 1/2 tsp cinnamon. It's
WONDERFUL! The carb count for that is 12.5 (9.5 of which come from the
apple). As long as there's room in my carb budget for the day, I don't
see any problem with it. 3 oz is approximately 1/2 of a medium apple
(sans core & seeds).

I have an orange tree in my backyard that is heavily laden at the moment
(particularly after all the rain we've had in CA this winter), but I'm
not particularly tempted by them. They mostly just fall off or are
eaten by squirrels (and possibly other rodents). Sometimes the
squirrels eat them, but leave the rind and residue still stuck to the
branch :-)

--
Saffire
205/143/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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Pre-lc, I hardly ever ate fruit, so I'm not trying to "get away with"
eating it because I love it or something. I was just surprised that it
satiated me, kept me satiated, and didn't make me sluggish like my
usual lunch of stir-fry or salad with chicken.

Eat what you want BUT bre prepared to accept the consequences.
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370/275/270
Single malt scotch is awesome (NO it does NOT have carbs as DON'T vodka,
gin, rum, bourbon, etc generally)
Malt can be made low carb through the judicious use of yeast.
Low carb beer? Uh...yeah.
Read the books.
You can have more than eggs for breakfast.
Yes calories do count.
Ketosticks are not neccessary to lose weight.

Email: Actually my feet are big not medium.

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If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect because
it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle glycogen won't be
depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

Is that because of fructose?
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

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If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect
because
it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle glycogen won't be
depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

Is that because of fructose?

Yep.

--
Bob in CT

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If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect
because
it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle glycogen won't be
depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

Is that because of fructose?

Exactly.

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In message <[email hidden]>, JC Der
Koenig <[email hidden]> writes

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If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect
because
it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle glycogen won't be
depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

Is that because of fructose?

Exactly.

Is there any way of knowing whether this is happening, or is it a given,
regardless of degree of insulin resistance?
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

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In message <[email hidden]>, JC Der
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>If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect
>because
>it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle glycogen won't be
>depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

Is that because of fructose?

Exactly.

Is there any way of knowing whether this is happening, or is it a given,
regardless of degree of insulin resistance?

It's a given, but to what degree depends on many variables.

Roger Zoul wrote:
|| Cubit wrote:
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|||| The change in appetite from carbs is a slow process. It might take
|||| a few weeks of high carbs before one's "appestat" causes higher
|||| calorie consumption.
||
|| That's just not true.

Of course it's not true. The insulin rush with resulting blood glucose rise
and crash from just one high-carb meal will cause immediate cravings and
hunger within a few hours. This is why people who say "I'll cheat just his
one time" usually end up on a caboholic binge.

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Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo