Pondering fruit

There's also the matter of insulin response.

In the end though, yes, you can lose weight while eating fruit.

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"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ok, so, if losing weight is more a matter of how much you eat than what
you eat, and low-carb is just a way to control appetite so that it is
easier to eat less, then is eating fruit really such a bad thing, if it
doesn't cause cravings for more carbs? After all, a piece of fruit is
usually low in calories, so if it replaces something higher calorie, one
could lose weight and still eat fruit, right?

I ask because today I ran out of time and didn't have lunch, and at work
we were giving the kids oranges for snack, and I was hungry, so I had
one. I was worried mostly that it would cause cravings for more carbs.
But, I didn't get cravings, in fact I felt satiated all the way until
dinner, and didn't even eat as much at dinner as I usually do.

I can think of lots of reasons to include fruit in my diet, and the only
reason not to was the possibility of increasing cravings, but since that
didn't happen now I'm wondering what other negatives I should be
concerned about. And no, JC, oranges are not why I got fat in the first
place.

I eat fruit every day on LC. But it's LC fruits like berries and rhubarb,
not higher-carb fruits like oranges or apples.

on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:14:23 GMT, Luna <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Ok, so, if losing weight is more a matter of how much you eat than what
you eat, and low-carb is just a way to control appetite so that it is
easier to eat less, then is eating fruit really such a bad thing, if it
doesn't cause cravings for more carbs? After all, a piece of fruit is
usually low in calories, so if it replaces something higher calorie, one
could lose weight and still eat fruit, right?

I ask because today I ran out of time and didn't have lunch, and at work
we were giving the kids oranges for snack, and I was hungry, so I had
one. I was worried mostly that it would cause cravings for more carbs.
But, I didn't get cravings, in fact I felt satiated all the way until
dinner, and didn't even eat as much at dinner as I usually do.

I can think of lots of reasons to include fruit in my diet, and the only
reason not to was the possibility of increasing cravings, but since that
didn't happen now I'm wondering what other negatives I should be
concerned about. And no, JC, oranges are not why I got fat in the first
place.

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Bev

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There's also the matter of insulin response.

In the end though, yes, you can lose weight while eating fruit.

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JC I love you!.. lol I do not normaly proclaim this to strangers over the
news server but I dont care.. lol.. I am not far enough a long yet to eat
fruit daily but man I was worried that i would not get to have an apple
again.. and I love apples!

Tori

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I eat fruit every day on LC. But it's LC fruits like berries and rhubarb,
not higher-carb fruits like oranges or apples.

Shhhhh I liked JCs responce to her better.. lol.. Dont apples have lots of
fiber?

Tori

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News Flash: Low Carb Isn't the Only Way to Lose Weight!

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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There's also the matter of insulin response.

In the end though, yes, you can lose weight while eating fruit.

--

JC I love you!.. lol I do not normaly proclaim this to strangers over the
news server but I dont care.. lol.. I am not far enough a long yet to eat
fruit daily but man I was worried that i would not get to have an apple
again.. and I love apples!

Tori

--
Bonnie 3/02
Xavier 10/04

Goal 1- lose 20 lbs By May 1st (6# to go)

I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I know it has
something to do with making you hungrier, right?

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

There's also the matter of insulin response.

In the end though, yes, you can lose weight while eating fruit.

--
I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter.

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ok, so, if losing weight is more a matter of how much you eat than what
you eat, and low-carb is just a way to control appetite so that it is
easier to eat less, then is eating fruit really such a bad thing, if it
doesn't cause cravings for more carbs? After all, a piece of fruit is
usually low in calories, so if it replaces something higher calorie, one
could lose weight and still eat fruit, right?

I ask because today I ran out of time and didn't have lunch, and at work
we were giving the kids oranges for snack, and I was hungry, so I had
one. I was worried mostly that it would cause cravings for more carbs.
But, I didn't get cravings, in fact I felt satiated all the way until
dinner, and didn't even eat as much at dinner as I usually do.

I can think of lots of reasons to include fruit in my diet, and the only
reason not to was the possibility of increasing cravings, but since that
didn't happen now I'm wondering what other negatives I should be
concerned about. And no, JC, oranges are not why I got fat in the first
place.

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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News Flash: Low Carb Isn't the Only Way to Lose Weight!

*shocked look* Oh man.. the only one that has worked for me this well.

Tori

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Bonnie 3/02
Xavier 10/04

Goal 1- lose 20 lbs By May 1st (6# to go)

Luna, I very much enjoy fruit, so I've found ways to incorporate a
little most days. I factor it into my 30 - 50 g of carb a day and so
far I have never suffered cravings from fruits nor have I had any
blood sugar issues - at least, not in the portion sizes I eat. I do
NOT eat more than 1 portion of fruit in any given day, preferring to
get the rest of my carb intake from vegetables.

There's always the ubiquitous berries and melon. I also do things
like share an apple with one of my kids - they like Apple Donuts
(which is simply a fresh apple, core removed, sliced into very thin
rounds - no flour or sugar involved in these 'donuts'😉 so I will take
a slice or two (perhaps 1/8 of a medium-sized apple) when I fix one
for them. Or I'll cut an orange into 8 sections, freeze 6 and eat 2
fresh. Over the next 3 days I'll slowly eat the other sections - in
this kind of weather (late summer for us) a frozen orange section is a
refreshing treat.

Aramanth

Luna said:

I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I know it has
something to do with making you hungrier, right?

In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat while
lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time. (low BG makes
you hungry).

OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG high
enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in my LC woe long
time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no potatoes, no rice.
Fruits are OK🙂

Mirek

Mirek Fidler said:

Luna said:

I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I know it
has something to do with making you hungrier, right?

In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat while
lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time. (low BG makes
you hungry).

OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG high
enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in my LC woe
long time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no potatoes, no
rice. Fruits are OK🙂

For some people fruit will have very little effect on insulin levels.

Quoted message said:

Mirek

One medium apple has 21g carbs and 4g fibre. I do eat them *occasionally*
now that I'm in maintenance, and even have half a medium banana every now
and then. The OP is still in her weight-loss phase, though, so I wouldn't
recommend them for her. Berries, rhubarb, a small peach or nectarine, etc.
are better choices. Clementine oranges are good too and are in season now.

on Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:48:13 -0600, "Tori M." <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Shhhhh I liked JCs responce to her better.. lol.. Dont apples have lots of
fiber?

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Bev

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Mirek Fidler said:

Luna said:

I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I know it
has something to do with making you hungrier, right?

In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat while
lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time. (low BG makes
you hungry).

OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG high
enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in my LC woe
long time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no potatoes, no
rice. Fruits are OK🙂

For some people fruit will have very little effect on insulin levels.

If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect because
it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle glycogen won't be
depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

Mirek Fidler said:

Luna said:

I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I know it
has something to do with making you hungrier, right?

In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat while
lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time. (low BG makes
you hungry).

OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG high
enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in my LC woe
long time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no potatoes, no
rice. Fruits are OK🙂

For some people fruit will have very little effect on insulin levels.

Quoted message said:

Mirek

I don't know if it does or not for me. Since I've had periods lately
where I've just been all "screw it" and have eaten whatever I wanted,
I've noticed that some foods are satisfying at reasonable portions, and
some are hard to stop eating, even when I'm full to bursting. The carb
count of the particular food seems to have nothing to do with it.
Pepperoni, cheese, olives, and all kinds of nuts are danger foods for
me, even though they're not particularly high-carb. So is the high-carb
junk I used to eat, like chips and candy. Some high-carb non-junk is a
no-no, like corn, rice, and wheat. Apparently oranges are ok. Made my
stomach stop growling, didn't even think about food until 6 hours later.

Pre-lc, I hardly ever ate fruit, so I'm not trying to "get away with"
eating it because I love it or something. I was just surprised that it
satiated me, kept me satiated, and didn't make me sluggish like my
usual lunch of stir-fry or salad with chicken.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:46:59 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

JC Der Koenig wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Mirek Fidler <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::: Luna wrote:
::::: I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I know
::::: it has something to do with making you hungrier, right?
:::::
::::
:::: In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat
:::: while lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time.
:::: (low BG makes you hungry).
::::
:::: OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG high
:::: enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in my LC woe
:::: long time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no potatoes, no
:::: rice. Fruits are OK🙂
:::
::: For some people fruit will have very little effect on insulin
::: levels.
:::
::
:: If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect
:: because it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle
:: glycogen won't be depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

Of course, and this is especially important to those on a LC woe use a
TKD
or CKD for various reasons.

Depending on what your goal is, filling liver glycogen might not be bad.
Last summer, I ate one to two pieces of fruit the day before I'd have a
long bike ride (defined as at least 60 miles). Refilling liver glycogen
seemed to help maintain power over long, hilly terrain.

--
Bob in CT

JC Der Koenig wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Mirek Fidler <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::: Luna wrote:
::::: I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I know
::::: it has something to do with making you hungrier, right?
:::::
::::
:::: In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat
:::: while lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time.
:::: (low BG makes you hungry).
::::
:::: OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG high
:::: enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in my LC woe
:::: long time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no potatoes, no
:::: rice. Fruits are OK🙂
:::
::: For some people fruit will have very little effect on insulin
::: levels.
:::
::
:: If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect
:: because it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle
:: glycogen won't be depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

Of course, and this is especially important to those on a LC woe use a TKD
or CKD for various reasons.

Which is great if you're training for long bike rides, but not so great if
you're trying to lose bodyfat.

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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:46:59 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

JC Der Koenig wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Mirek Fidler <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::: Luna wrote:
::::: I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I know
::::: it has something to do with making you hungrier, right?
:::::
::::
:::: In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat
:::: while lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time.
:::: (low BG makes you hungry).
::::
:::: OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG high
:::: enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in my LC woe
:::: long time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no potatoes, no
:::: rice. Fruits are OK🙂
:::
::: For some people fruit will have very little effect on insulin
::: levels.
:::
::
:: If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious effect
:: because it can refill liver glycogen, which means that muscle
:: glycogen won't be depleted until the liver glycogen is used up.

Of course, and this is especially important to those on a LC woe use a
TKD
or CKD for various reasons.

Depending on what your goal is, filling liver glycogen might not be bad.
Last summer, I ate one to two pieces of fruit the day before I'd have a
long bike ride (defined as at least 60 miles). Refilling liver glycogen
seemed to help maintain power over long, hilly terrain.

--
Bob in CT

JC Der Koenig said:

Which is great if you're training for long bike rides, but not so great if
you're trying to lose bodyfat.

So you are saying bike riding won't help you lose fat?

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Bob M wrote:
:: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:46:59 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: JC Der Koenig wrote:
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::: Mirek Fidler <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::::: Luna wrote:
:::::::: I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I
:::::::: know it has something to do with making you hungrier, right?
::::::::
:::::::
::::::: In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat
::::::: while lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time.
::::::: (low BG makes you hungry).
:::::::
::::::: OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG
::::::: high enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in
::::::: my LC woe long time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no
::::::: potatoes, no rice. Fruits are OK🙂
::::::
:::::: For some people fruit will have very little effect on insulin
:::::: levels.
::::::
:::::
::::: If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious
::::: effect because it can refill liver glycogen, which means that
::::: muscle glycogen won't be depleted until the liver glycogen is
::::: used up.
:::
::: Of course, and this is especially important to those on a LC woe
::: use a TKD
::: or CKD for various reasons.
:::
:::
::
:: Depending on what your goal is, filling liver glycogen might not be
:: bad. Last summer, I ate one to two pieces of fruit the day before
:: I'd have a long bike ride (defined as at least 60 miles). Refilling
:: liver glycogen seemed to help maintain power over long, hilly
:: terrain.

What would nice is if you could figure it so that after you finished your
ride that liver glycogen would be depleted again. It's, IMO, a tricky thing
because you need that power while riding and you certainly don't want to
risk bonking (a nightmare on a long hilly ride in summer!). But after it's
over one needs (well, speaking for me) get back to the business of LCing.
It's why this year I'm going to do my best not to eat carbs AFTER the ride.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:32:25 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bob M wrote:
:: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:46:59 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: JC Der Koenig wrote:
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::: Mirek Fidler <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::::: Luna wrote:
:::::::: I've never really understood the insulin response thingy. I
:::::::: know it has something to do with making you hungrier, right?
::::::::
:::::::
::::::: In short, insulin will convert your HIGH blood glucose into fat
::::::: while lowering it. So you get fat and hungry at the same time.
::::::: (low BG makes you hungry).
:::::::
::::::: OTOH, it is quite unlikely that one orange would drive your BG
::::::: high enough. Personally, I have stopped caring about fruits in
::::::: my LC woe long time ago🙂 For me, it is no sugar, no grains, no
::::::: potatoes, no rice. Fruits are OK🙂
::::::
:::::: For some people fruit will have very little effect on insulin
:::::: levels.
::::::
:::::
::::: If you're trying to cut bodyfat, fruit may have a deleterious
::::: effect because it can refill liver glycogen, which means that
::::: muscle glycogen won't be depleted until the liver glycogen is
::::: used up.
:::
::: Of course, and this is especially important to those on a LC woe
::: use a TKD
::: or CKD for various reasons.
:::
:::
::
:: Depending on what your goal is, filling liver glycogen might not be
:: bad. Last summer, I ate one to two pieces of fruit the day before
:: I'd have a long bike ride (defined as at least 60 miles). Refilling
:: liver glycogen seemed to help maintain power over long, hilly
:: terrain.

What would nice is if you could figure it so that after you finished your
ride that liver glycogen would be depleted again. It's, IMO, a tricky
thing
because you need that power while riding and you certainly don't want to
risk bonking (a nightmare on a long hilly ride in summer!). But after
it's
over one needs (well, speaking for me) get back to the business of LCing.
It's why this year I'm going to do my best not to eat carbs AFTER the
ride.

I think if you only eat fruit for long rides, chances are your liver will
be depleted. No carbs after the ride? Let me know how that goes. Right
now, I take in minor carbs before and after exercise and none during
because the length of my rides/weighlifting isn't long.

--
Bob in CT