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Lass Chance_2 wrote:
:: Jeeeez, Om....come to NC and buy land with TREES on it for 4 K per
:: acre.
::
:: Not to even mention you cant swing a dead cat here and NOT hit a
:: stream. Acreage with trees AND a clean, sparkling, clear stream
:: beats hell outa anything you can get in west Texas, for god's sake.
::
:: BUYing land in west Texas....is like buying land in Hell. WHY would
:: anyboidy do it? Well, besides der Konehead, I mean? He has a natural
:: afinity for rattlesnakes, tumbleweeds and blue-tailed lizards. Is
:: the turkey buzzard still the state bird?
::
:: OF COURSE the land is dirt cheap there....it's CHEAP DIRT.
::
:: WHY? Because NOBODY wants it. There's no water. You know what land
:: is worth that doesnt have water? ZIPPO! That's why the land is
:: cheap. If you buy the cheap dirt, then have to spend god knows what
:: drilling....and drilling.....and drilling for water.....
::
:: Screw Texas. Come to God's Country, the beautiful Smoky Mountains.
:: Trees and plentiful water....low property taxes.... and, at this
:: time, land is doubling in value about every five-six years. People
:: who used to want to retire in Florida are now too aware of
:: hurricaines in coastal places....so, are coming to north and Soiuth
:: Carolina in ever-increasing numbers to escape the winters of the
:: north, escape big city life and not have to worry about the Big Blow.

Yeah, and then they will screw this place up. I say let the go to west
Texas.

Lass Chance_2 wrote:
:: "Coyote hides and skulls do well on ebay.;-)
:: I understand there are a lot of wild turkey and javalina out there,
:: and there are deer if you run a feeder?
:: Om."
::
:: I guess the smiley thingy means you're kidding....right? I
:: mean....you wouldnt kill a coyote for his skull and pelt....right?
:: and...."run a feeder"? Does that mean....lure the deer with food,
:: which there's so little of, they naturally come to the
:: feeder........then blow their heads off?

That's not so bad as long as one intends to eat them, right?

I agree on the senseless killing of coyotes, though.

::
:: Did you know that coyote's main food is moles and voles, prairie dogs
:: and other small rodents? and that more cattle are destroyed every
:: year because they've broken a leg stepping in a prairie dog hole
:: than have been killed by coyotes? And that a female generally has
:: one or two pups a year EXCEPT when the ranchero rednecks go on a
:: coyote killing spree? When the coyote population is severely
:: diminished, a female will produce two or more litters of three or
:: four pups or more. In other words....the more coyotes are killed,
:: the more are produced?
::
:: The coyote is probably the most misunderstood, wrongly maligned,
:: over-hunted and needlessly destroyed animal in north America. The
:: wholesale slaughter of them, yearly, not out of real need, but out of
:: superstitious fear and illogical blind hatred and pure ignorance
:: ....is shameful.
::
:: LassChance

Lass Chance_2 said:

Om said:

Coyote hides and skulls do well on ebay.;-)
I understand there are a lot of wild turkey and javalina out there, and
there are deer if you run a feeder?

I guess the smiley thingy means you're kidding....right? I mean....you
wouldnt kill a coyote for his skull and pelt....right?

I've read they are terrible eating. I was raised with
the rule "if you kill it you have to eat it" applied to
any vertebrate. This strongly discouraged killing
certain types of animals without some other good reason.
Coyote pelts do make excellent fur coats, but I'd rather
do that with ranched pelts should I ever decide on one.
So would I? Probably not. Do I object to someone else
doing such? No.

Quoted message said:

and...."run a
feeder"? Does that mean....lure the deer with food, which there's so
little of, they naturally come to the feeder........then blow their
heads off?

If you're bagging deer for food, a head shot makes more
sense than shooting the deer through several roasts and
a bunch of steaks. On the other hand, the right tool
for the job. If you blow off the head you're using the
wrong gun. Or being hysterical about someone shooting
Bambi.

Quoted message said:

Did you know that coyote's main food is moles and voles, prairie dogs
and other small rodents? and that more cattle are destroyed every year
because they've broken a leg stepping in a prairie dog hole than have
been killed by coyotes? And that a female generally has one or two pups
a year EXCEPT when the ranchero rednecks go on a coyote killing spree?
When the coyote population is severely diminished, a female will produce
two or more litters of three or four pups or more. In other
words....the more coyotes are killed, the more are produced?

This definately an issue that varies by geography. When I
lived in urban southern California coyotes were
ever-present and ever-invisible. They ate stray dogs and
cats in addition to rodents. While it's good to keep
rodents in check, I would generally rather that be done
by stray cats than by animals that also eat cats, but I
suppose that's a matter of personal tastes. It does give
a very different perspective than the rural view, though.

Coyotes are even common here in the Chicago suburbs. In
2 years here I have seen 2, but I can go outside at night
and hear them. When the locals claim there are no coyotes
I try to immitate the calls I hear at night and I laugh.

Quoted message said:

The coyote is probably the most misunderstood, wrongly maligned,
over-hunted and needlessly destroyed animal in north America. The
wholesale slaughter of them, yearly, not out of real need, but out of
superstitious fear and illogical blind hatred and pure ignorance ....is
shameful.

They used to say that about wolves. The few wolves left
do a better job of all that where they exist, and they
drive off the nuisance coyotes as well. Coyotes are a
second best to wolves. Wolves only seem to be an option
in rural areas, though. Coyotes do great in urban areas.

While coyotes are beneficial to cattle, I remain ignorant
of their interaction with sheep and goats. They need to
be kept away from flocks, so herding dogs are called for.

Low carb, low carb, how to move the topic to low carb. Ah,
the deer.

My relatives like to make liver dumpling soup, a classic
of German ethnic cooking. The liver is ground, mixed with
bread crumbs and eggs. The liver dumplings are simmered
in a broth with onion, carrot, various other veggies and
sometimes barley. Drop the bread crumbs and barley and
it is low carb enough for folks able to handle carrots.
Venison liver works much better than beef liver. Compare
with Mexican Albongidas which uses ground muscle meat
rather than ground organ meat and adds tomato to the
broth.

Lass Chance_2 said:

"Coyote hides and skulls do well on ebay.;-)
I understand there are a lot of wild turkey and javalina out there, and
there are deer if you run a feeder?
Om."

I guess the smiley thingy means you're kidding....right? I mean....you
wouldnt kill a coyote for his skull and pelt....right? and...."run a
feeder"? Does that mean....lure the deer with food, which there's so
little of, they naturally come to the feeder........then blow their
heads off?

Exactly. Not far from where I live, people rely on hunted meats for a
living. There's hardly "so little" food around in forested areas. But
deer, like virtually every other living thing will opt for the easy
meal. So a pile of corn will interest them.

I love the loaded, hysterical writing. No one blows heads off. They make
little, discrete holes in the critters. I use guns and bows on various
occasions.

Quoted message said:

Did you know that coyote's main food is moles and voles, prairie dogs
and other small rodents? and that more cattle are destroyed every year
because they've broken a leg stepping in a prairie dog hole than have
been killed by coyotes?

We don't have prairie dogs in any number around my farm. We've never had
to "destroy" cattle for that reason.

Quoted message said:

And that a female generally has one or two pups
a year EXCEPT when the ranchero rednecks go on a coyote killing spree?
When the coyote population is severely diminished, a female will produce
two or more litters of three or four pups or more. In other
words....the more coyotes are killed, the more are produced?

The coyote is probably the most misunderstood, wrongly maligned,
over-hunted and needlessly destroyed animal in north America.

Right behind big-mouthed fatties with hyperextended vocabularies and
underextended understanding.

Quoted message said:

The
wholesale slaughter of them, yearly, not out of real need, but out of
superstitious fear and illogical blind hatred and pure ignorance ....is
shameful.

Right. So you'll come help clean up the remains of the dead calves,
family pets, goats, sheep and farm birds they kill here in the
Shenandoah Valley now that they're back. Enlarging their habitat, they
are. Maybe you think we should keep all that livestock in the house so
they can be safe, right?

I shot one off the back deck of my house. I'd have shot more, but they
move fast and the other three that were feasting on the newly killed
calf ran before I could get another good shot in. Winchester 94, .30
caliber, 75 yards, no scope.

We found a pair of three-day-old calves dead and partially eaten within
100 feet of the house. Coyotes killed the two calves within 20 feet of
each other, at the same time and ate a little from each. That looks like
sport-killing to me.

There's no "wholesale slaughter" going on here. But there certainly is
selective killing. This area is still rural, but there are housing
developments nearby. Coyotes will take any small critter, on up to human
kid size. <http://tinyurl.com/aevcj>

Nature isn't benign.

Damn. JC gets another thread.

Pastorio

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Lass Chance_2) said:

Jeeeez, Om....come to NC and buy land with TREES on it for 4 K per acre.

Too cold. :-)
I learned to hate shoveling snow when we lived in Denver.

Quoted message said:

Not to even mention you cant swing a dead cat here and NOT hit a stream.
Acreage with trees AND a clean, sparkling, clear stream beats hell outa
anything you can get in west Texas, for god's sake.

But there is no snow.

I'd LOVE to have a summer home there, but Texas winters are very nice.

And I live in the hill country around Austin.

Quoted message said:

BUYing land in west Texas....is like buying land in Hell. WHY would
anyboidy do it? Well, besides der Konehead, I mean? He has a natural
afinity for rattlesnakes, tumbleweeds and blue-tailed lizards. Is the
turkey buzzard still the state bird?

One word.

Investment.

West Texas is moving thisaway and land values will go up.

Quoted message said:

OF COURSE the land is dirt cheap there....it's CHEAP DIRT.

Yeah, but developers don't care.

Quoted message said:

WHY? Because NOBODY wants it. There's no water. You know what land is
worth that doesnt have water? ZIPPO! That's why the land is cheap. If
you buy the cheap dirt, then have to spend god knows what
drilling....and drilling.....and drilling for water.....

There is water.

Quoted message said:

Screw Texas. Come to God's Country, the beautiful Smoky Mountains.
Trees and plentiful water....low property taxes.... and, at this time,
land is doubling in value about every five-six years. People who used to
want to retire in Florida are now too aware of hurricaines in coastal
places....so, are coming to north and Soiuth Carolina in ever-increasing
numbers to escape the winters of the north, escape big city life and not
have to worry about the Big Blow.

Will you shovel my driveway for me in the winter? ;-)

Quoted message said:

LassChance
5-16 202/178/160

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Lass Chance_2) said:

"Coyote hides and skulls do well on ebay.;-)
I understand there are a lot of wild turkey and javalina out there, and
there are deer if you run a feeder?
Om."

I guess the smiley thingy means you're kidding....right? I mean....you
wouldnt kill a coyote for his skull and pelt....right? and...."run a
feeder"? Does that mean....lure the deer with food, which there's so
little of, they naturally come to the feeder........then blow their
heads off?

No, I would kill coyotes because they are pests, eat my cats, dogs and
chickens, and carry rabies.

Rather than waste them, I'd harvest skulls and pelts.

I would not kill them JUST for pelts and skulls... That would be a bad
reason.

Quoted message said:

Did you know that coyote's main food is moles and voles, prairie dogs
and other small rodents?

Not around here.
Here their primary diet is pet cats, small dogs, baby goats and poultry.

There are no prairie dogs here, and not many rabbits.
And I've never seen a vole.

Coyotes tend to overpopulate some areas and become SERIOUS pests.
They will even attack young children if they get hungry enough.
Sorry!

Quoted message said:

and that more cattle are destroyed every year
because they've broken a leg stepping in a prairie dog hole than have
been killed by coyotes? And that a female generally has one or two pups
a year EXCEPT when the ranchero rednecks go on a coyote killing spree?
When the coyote population is severely diminished, a female will produce
two or more litters of three or four pups or more. In other
words....the more coyotes are killed, the more are produced?

The fire ants eliminated the prairie dogs here a long time ago.
There are no PD towns in this entire area.

Quoted message said:

The coyote is probably the most misunderstood, wrongly maligned,
over-hunted and needlessly destroyed animal in north America. The
wholesale slaughter of them, yearly, not out of real need, but out of
superstitious fear and illogical blind hatred and pure ignorance ....is
shameful.

LassChance

I hope you keep your cats inside...

Coyotes are beautiful and magical animals, in their place.
But there are too damned many of them in some areas.

Kinda like the local deer. :-P

Cheers!

Quoted message said:

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

Lass Chance_2 wrote:
:: Jeeeez, Om....come to NC and buy land with TREES on it for 4 K per
:: acre.
::
:: Not to even mention you cant swing a dead cat here and NOT hit a
:: stream. Acreage with trees AND a clean, sparkling, clear stream
:: beats hell outa anything you can get in west Texas, for god's sake.
::
:: BUYing land in west Texas....is like buying land in Hell. WHY would
:: anyboidy do it? Well, besides der Konehead, I mean? He has a natural
:: afinity for rattlesnakes, tumbleweeds and blue-tailed lizards. Is
:: the turkey buzzard still the state bird?
::
:: OF COURSE the land is dirt cheap there....it's CHEAP DIRT.
::
:: WHY? Because NOBODY wants it. There's no water. You know what land
:: is worth that doesnt have water? ZIPPO! That's why the land is
:: cheap. If you buy the cheap dirt, then have to spend god knows what
:: drilling....and drilling.....and drilling for water.....
::
:: Screw Texas. Come to God's Country, the beautiful Smoky Mountains.
:: Trees and plentiful water....low property taxes.... and, at this
:: time, land is doubling in value about every five-six years. People
:: who used to want to retire in Florida are now too aware of
:: hurricaines in coastal places....so, are coming to north and Soiuth
:: Carolina in ever-increasing numbers to escape the winters of the
:: north, escape big city life and not have to worry about the Big Blow.

Yeah, and then they will screw this place up. I say let the go to west
Texas.

Bite me sweetheart. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Lass Chance_2 wrote:
::::: Jeeeez, Om....come to NC and buy land with TREES on it for 4 K per
::::: acre.
:::::
::::: Not to even mention you cant swing a dead cat here and NOT hit a
::::: stream. Acreage with trees AND a clean, sparkling, clear stream
::::: beats hell outa anything you can get in west Texas, for god's
::::: sake.
:::::
::::: BUYing land in west Texas....is like buying land in Hell. WHY
::::: would anyboidy do it? Well, besides der Konehead, I mean? He has
::::: a natural afinity for rattlesnakes, tumbleweeds and blue-tailed
::::: lizards. Is the turkey buzzard still the state bird?
:::::
::::: OF COURSE the land is dirt cheap there....it's CHEAP DIRT.
:::::
::::: WHY? Because NOBODY wants it. There's no water. You know what
::::: land is worth that doesnt have water? ZIPPO! That's why the land
::::: is cheap. If you buy the cheap dirt, then have to spend god knows
::::: what drilling....and drilling.....and drilling for water.....
:::::
::::: Screw Texas. Come to God's Country, the beautiful Smoky
::::: Mountains. Trees and plentiful water....low property taxes....
::::: and, at this time, land is doubling in value about every five-six
::::: years. People who used to want to retire in Florida are now too
::::: aware of hurricaines in coastal places....so, are coming to north
::::: and Soiuth Carolina in ever-increasing numbers to escape the
::::: winters of the north, escape big city life and not have to worry
::::: about the Big Blow.
:::
::: Yeah, and then they will screw this place up. I say let the go to
::: west Texas.
:::
:::
::
:: Bite me sweetheart. ;-)

🙂

well, Roger...I guess you're right. If you're gonna eat the deer....I
guess it's tol'able (only just barely, tho) to lure them with food.

Personally, tho I do have a hummingbird feeder, I dont put out seed for
"regular" birds....because I have a cat.

"let em move to Texas"....yeah, you're right about that, too.

Lass

Re: JC

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 11:23am From:
[email hidden] (Roger Zoul)
Lass Chance_2 wrote:
:: "Coyote hides and skulls do well on ebay.;-) :: I understand there
are a lot of wild turkey and javalina out there, :: and there are deer
if you run a feeder? :: Om."
::
:: I guess the smiley thingy means you're kidding....right? I ::
mean....you wouldnt kill a coyote for his skull and pelt....right? ::
and...."run a feeder"? Does that mean....lure the deer with food, ::
which there's so little of, they naturally come to the ::
feeder........then blow their heads off?
That's not so bad as long as one intends to eat them, right?
I agree on the senseless killing of coyotes, though.
::
:: Did you know that coyote's main food is moles and voles, prairie dogs
:: and other small rodents? and that more cattle are destroyed every ::
year because they've broken a leg stepping in a prairie dog hole :: than
have been killed by coyotes? And that a female generally has :: one or
two pups a year EXCEPT when the ranchero rednecks go on a :: coyote
killing spree? When the coyote population is severely :: diminished, a
female will produce two or more litters of three or :: four pups or
more. In other words....the more coyotes are killed, :: the more are
produced?
::
:: The coyote is probably the most misunderstood, wrongly maligned, ::
over-hunted and needlessly destroyed animal in north America. The ::
wholesale slaughter of them, yearly, not out of real need, but out of ::
superstitious fear and illogical blind hatred and pure ignorance ::
....is shameful.
::
:: LassChance

Doug---coyotes have made their way here, even to Florida. You bet
they've made it to Illinois. The more they kill them in the southwest,
the more thry produce....and have migrated to the east coast.

The difference between stray domestic cats and coyotes is....the coyotes
BELONG. Stray cats are the fault of people---people who dont neuter
their pets, often abandom them....leaving them to become humters or die,
breeding like crazy the whole time. Completely UN-natural.

Lass

Re: JC

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 9:45am (EDT-3)
From: [email hidden] (Doug Freyburger)
Lass Chance_2 wrote:
Om wrote:
Coyote hides and skulls do well on ebay.;-) I understand there are a lot
of wild turkey and javalina out there, and there are deer if you run a
feeder?
I guess the smiley thingy means you're kidding....right? I mean....you
wouldnt kill a coyote for his skull and pelt....right?
I've read they are terrible eating. I was raised with the rule "if you
kill it you have to eat it" applied to any vertebrate. This strongly
discouraged killing certain types of animals without some other good
reason. Coyote pelts do make excellent fur coats, but I'd rather do that
with ranched pelts should I ever decide on one. So would I? Probably
not. Do I object to someone else doing such? No.
and...."run a
feeder"? Does that mean....lure the deer with food, which there's so
little of, they naturally come to the feeder........then blow their
heads off?
If you're bagging deer for food, a head shot makes more sense than
shooting the deer through several roasts and a bunch of steaks. On the
other hand, the right tool for the job. If you blow off the head you're
using the wrong gun. Or being hysterical about someone shooting Bambi.
Did you know that coyote's main food is moles and voles, prairie dogs
and other small rodents? and that more cattle are destroyed every year
because they've broken a leg stepping in a prairie dog hole than have
been killed by coyotes? And that a female generally has one or two pups
a year EXCEPT when the ranchero rednecks go on a coyote killing spree?
When the coyote population is severely diminished, a female will produce
two or more litters of three or four pups or more. In other words....the
more coyotes are killed, the more are produced?
This definately an issue that varies by geography. When I lived in urban
southern California coyotes were ever-present and ever-invisible. They
ate stray dogs and cats in addition to rodents. While it's good to keep
rodents in check, I would generally rather that be done by stray cats
than by animals that also eat cats, but I suppose that's a matter of
personal tastes. It does give a very different perspective than the
rural view, though.
Coyotes are even common here in the Chicago suburbs. In 2 years here I
have seen 2, but I can go outside at night and hear them. When the
locals claim there are no coyotes I try to immitate the calls I hear at
night and I laugh.
The coyote is probably the most misunderstood, wrongly maligned,
over-hunted and needlessly destroyed animal in north America. The
wholesale slaughter of them, yearly, not out of real need, but out of
superstitious fear and illogical blind hatred and pure ignorance ....is
shameful.
They used to say that about wolves. The few wolves left do a better job
of all that where they exist, and they drive off the nuisance coyotes as
well. Coyotes are a second best to wolves. Wolves only seem to be an
option in rural areas, though. Coyotes do great in urban areas.
While coyotes are beneficial to cattle, I remain ignorant of their
interaction with sheep and goats. They need to be kept away from flocks,
so herding dogs are called for.
Low carb, low carb, how to move the topic to low carb. Ah, the deer.
My relatives like to make liver dumpling soup, a classic of German
ethnic cooking. The liver is ground, mixed with bread crumbs and eggs.
The liver dumplings are simmered in a broth with onion, carrot, various
other veggies and sometimes barley. Drop the bread crumbs and barley and
it is low carb enough for folks able to handle carrots. Venison liver
works much better than beef liver. Compare with Mexican Albongidas which
uses ground muscle meat rather than ground organ meat and adds tomato to
the broth.

Om....we get maybe two snows every winter, rarely more than five inches.
The last "big" snow was in '83, about 11 inches.
Snowbirds move here to get away from bad winters. I dont even own a
real winter coat---and havent needed one, so far. In the almost four
years Ive been here, a leather jacket has done me just fine.

Lass

"Coyotes tend to overpopulate some areas and become SERIOUS pests. They
will even attack young children if they get hungry enough. Sorry!" Om

There's nothing wrong with thinning the pack. It's the many places where
an organized coyote-kill free-for-all happens every year I have a
problem with.

as for the rest, FAIC, coyotes thinning the human pack, the chicken pack
and the pet packs is ok, too. Where my mom lived, in Florida,
alligators occasionally snatched a kid or a cat or dog. That doesnt mean
humans have a right to wipe out the entire species because somebody's
kid or cat or calf got eaten. There arent "too many" coyotes in the
world....but there sure as hell are too damn many people. Too many
people requires too many chickens and calves.

Here's an idea....let people keep their offspring down to one
kid.....and fifty years from now, there'll be room for coyotes with
fewer people and fewer of their requirements.

Balance, in other words. Humans are a thousand times worse a blight on
this rock than all the four-legged carnivores on it.
Sorry.
Lass

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Lass Chance_2) said:

Om....we get maybe two snows every winter, rarely more than five inches.
The last "big" snow was in '83, about 11 inches.
Snowbirds move here to get away from bad winters. I dont even own a
real winter coat---and havent needed one, so far. In the almost four
years Ive been here, a leather jacket has done me just fine.

Lass

North Carolina. Sounds beautiful.

4K per acre is not bad, but the West Texas land is running closer to
$400.00 per acre last I checked. :-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Lass Chance_2 said:

as for the rest, FAIC, coyotes thinning the human pack, the chicken pack
and the pet packs is ok, too. Where my mom lived, in Florida,
alligators occasionally snatched a kid or a cat or dog. That doesnt mean
humans have a right to wipe out the entire species because somebody's
kid or cat or calf got eaten ...

Might makes right, as the saber tooth tigers would be
able to say if they hadn't had a habit of eating humans.
But the tigers did and humans did wipe them out. Right
or wrong, the reason alligators aren't wiped out is
they don't eat enough humans to justifiy wiping them out.

Quoted message said:

Balance, in other words. Humans are a thousand times worse a blight on
this rock than all the four-legged carnivores on it.
Sorry.

Sure, but I'm pretty biased about that. Being one of
those nasty humans and all.

Doug Freyburger said:

Lass Chance_2 said:

as for the rest, FAIC, coyotes thinning the human pack, the chicken pack
and the pet packs is ok, too. Where my mom lived, in Florida,
alligators occasionally snatched a kid or a cat or dog. That doesnt mean
humans have a right to wipe out the entire species because somebody's
kid or cat or calf got eaten ...

Might makes right, as the saber tooth tigers would be
able to say if they hadn't had a habit of eating humans.
But the tigers did and humans did wipe them out. Right
or wrong, the reason alligators aren't wiped out is
they don't eat enough humans to justifiy wiping them out.

Quoted message said:

Balance, in other words. Humans are a thousand times worse a blight on
this rock than all the four-legged carnivores on it.
Sorry.

Sure, but I'm pretty biased about that. Being one of
those nasty humans and all.

You misspelled "tasty?"

Pastorio

Bob (this one) wrote:
:: Doug Freyburger wrote:
::: Lass Chance_2 wrote:
:::
:::: as for the rest, FAIC, coyotes thinning the human pack, the
:::: chicken pack and the pet packs is ok, too. Where my mom lived, in
:::: Florida, alligators occasionally snatched a kid or a cat or dog.
:::: That doesnt mean humans have a right to wipe out the entire
:::: species because somebody's kid or cat or calf got eaten ...
:::
:::
::: Might makes right, as the saber tooth tigers would be
::: able to say if they hadn't had a habit of eating humans.
::: But the tigers did and humans did wipe them out. Right
::: or wrong, the reason alligators aren't wiped out is
::: they don't eat enough humans to justifiy wiping them out.
:::
:::
:::: Balance, in other words. Humans are a thousand times worse a
:::: blight on this rock than all the four-legged carnivores on it.
:::: Sorry.
:::
:::
::: Sure, but I'm pretty biased about that. Being one of
::: those nasty humans and all.
::
:: You misspelled "tasty?"
::

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(Lass Chance_2) said:

"Coyotes tend to overpopulate some areas and become SERIOUS pests. They
will even attack young children if they get hungry enough. Sorry!" Om

There's nothing wrong with thinning the pack. It's the many places where
an organized coyote-kill free-for-all happens every year I have a
problem with.

as for the rest, FAIC, coyotes thinning the human pack, the chicken pack
and the pet packs is ok, too. Where my mom lived, in Florida,
alligators occasionally snatched a kid or a cat or dog. That doesnt mean
humans have a right to wipe out the entire species because somebody's
kid or cat or calf got eaten. There arent "too many" coyotes in the
world....but there sure as hell are too damn many people. Too many
people requires too many chickens and calves.

Here's an idea....let people keep their offspring down to one
kid.....and fifty years from now, there'll be room for coyotes with
fewer people and fewer of their requirements.

Balance, in other words. Humans are a thousand times worse a blight on
this rock than all the four-legged carnivores on it.
Sorry.
Lass

Say wha huh? Aren't you a human? Have you no species loyalty?

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Om,
Please tell me you are joking? Do you really like spiders? Blech!!

Nothing was pretty at all about those pictures. LOL

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>
> I think my favorite spiders are the garden spiders,
> those big black and yellow ones that do the zig-zag down the middle
> of
> the web, you know?
>
Not really.

Aww, look how pretty! http://www.infobreaks.com/insects/ggs.jpg

That's a better pic than the one I posted. :-)

I've had a couple of little bitty male ones hang out in the greenhouses,
but the big girls are always out around the main gardens.

The males are about 1/3 the size of the females as adults.
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

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(Lass Chance_2) said:

"Coyote hides and skulls do well on ebay.;-)
I understand there are a lot of wild turkey and javalina out there, and
there are deer if you run a feeder?
Om."

I guess the smiley thingy means you're kidding....right? I mean....you
wouldnt kill a coyote for his skull and pelt....right? and...."run a
feeder"? Does that mean....lure the deer with food, which there's so
little of, they naturally come to the feeder........then blow their
heads off?

No, I would kill coyotes because they are pests, eat my cats, dogs and
chickens, and carry rabies.

Rather than waste them, I'd harvest skulls and pelts.

I would not kill them JUST for pelts and skulls... That would be a bad
reason.

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Did you know that coyote's main food is moles and voles, prairie dogs
and other small rodents?

Not around here.
Here their primary diet is pet cats, small dogs, baby goats and poultry.

There are no prairie dogs here, and not many rabbits.
And I've never seen a vole.

Coyotes tend to overpopulate some areas and become SERIOUS pests.
They will even attack young children if they get hungry enough.
Sorry!

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and that more cattle are destroyed every year
because they've broken a leg stepping in a prairie dog hole than have
been killed by coyotes? And that a female generally has one or two pups
a year EXCEPT when the ranchero rednecks go on a coyote killing spree?
When the coyote population is severely diminished, a female will produce
two or more litters of three or four pups or more. In other
words....the more coyotes are killed, the more are produced?

The fire ants eliminated the prairie dogs here a long time ago.
There are no PD towns in this entire area.

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The coyote is probably the most misunderstood, wrongly maligned,
over-hunted and needlessly destroyed animal in north America. The
wholesale slaughter of them, yearly, not out of real need, but out of
superstitious fear and illogical blind hatred and pure ignorance ....is
shameful.

LassChance

I hope you keep your cats inside...

Coyotes are beautiful and magical animals, in their place.
But there are too damned many of them in some areas.

Kinda like the local deer. :-P

Cheers!

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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack

A Coyote ate my house cat a few months ago. She was an indoor cat, but got
out. Awful.

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Say wha huh? Aren't you a human?

That seems rather obvious.