[OT] veggie oil powered car



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stupot

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On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
implications though. :)
 
stupot came up with the following;:
> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
> implications though. :)

Lots of us, especially those of us with diesel engined cars like my
Landrover Discovery, do this. There are VAT implications, but they can all
be covered quite easily.
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/introduction.html
http://www.bio-power.co.uk/



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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:22:05 +0100, stupot wrote:

> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
> implications though. :)

This subject came up on aus.bicycle yesterday (well, I brought it up after
another thread drifted waaay OT). It prompted another bit of surfing which
resulted in me finding this site <http://www.elsbett.com/engl/index.htm>

It looks like this company provide injector kits which would enable many
diesel vehicles to run on veggie oil, dino-diesel and bio-diesel. I've been
very tempted to go down the bio-diesel route, but time and laziness (it's
far more convenient just to fill up at the garage) have over-ruled this so
far. Maybe the altered injector idea would make things more feasible?

Graeme
 
Paul - *** <[email protected]> wrote:
> stupot came up with the following;:
>> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
>> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
>> implications though. :)
>
> Lots of us, especially those of us with diesel engined cars like my
> Landrover Discovery, do this.

You say "especially those with diesel engined cars", but surely it's
"only" rather than "especially" 'cos it'd no be a canny idea to pour
chip fat into your average petrol engined car, now, wud it? :)


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Nobody Here came up with the following;:
> Paul - *** <[email protected]> wrote:
>> stupot came up with the following;:
>>> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
>>> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
>>> implications though. :)
>>
>> Lots of us, especially those of us with diesel engined cars like my
>> Landrover Discovery, do this.
>
> You say "especially those with diesel engined cars", but surely it's
> "only" rather than "especially" 'cos it'd no be a canny idea to pour
> chip fat into your average petrol engined car, now, wud it? :)

I dunno, I've never asked as it's irrelevant to what I use it for but also
you don't just 'pour it in' to a diesel engined car either. ;)

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Following on from stupot's message. . .
>On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
>driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
>implications though. :)



Volkswagen have a car that will run on animal waste products

























They call it a Dung Beetle.
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"stupot" <***@nospamwowo.com> wrote in message
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> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
> implications though. :)

My bike club was visited by some eco types promoting their bus that used
waste oil from McD's etc. They tried to tell us that it didn't pollute as
much as diesel.
Graham
 
Paul - *** <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nobody Here came up with the following;:
>> Paul - *** <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> stupot came up with the following;:
>>>> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
>>>> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
>>>> implications though. :)
>>>
>>> Lots of us, especially those of us with diesel engined cars like my
>>> Landrover Discovery, do this.
>>
>> You say "especially those with diesel engined cars", but surely it's
>> "only" rather than "especially" 'cos it'd no be a canny idea to pour
>> chip fat into your average petrol engined car, now, wud it? :)
>
> I dunno, I've never asked as it's irrelevant to what I use it for but also
> you don't just 'pour it in' to a diesel engined car either. ;)

Yeah. Reminds me of when I were a lad in Oz - just inherited a model
engine diesel engine, a neat Frog 250. Had to make my own fuel, from
Castor Oil, Paraffin and Ether. Well, to me then, paraffin was something
you bought from the chemist, paraffin oil, and it was a thick, waxy liquid
usd, I think, as a cure for constipation - not sure which end you were
supposed to stick it in. Anyway, I duly made my mixture of oil, paraffin,
and ether, and could I get the engine started? Could I chuff. Turns out
that the English book I was using meant paraffin as in kerosene, dinit?

Worked like a charm after I'd changed that - and completely stripped and
cleaned the engine.

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Nobby
 
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:15:05 GMT, graham wrote:

> "stupot" <***@nospamwowo.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
>> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
>> implications though. :)
>
> My bike club was visited by some eco types promoting their bus that used
> waste oil from McD's etc. They tried to tell us that it didn't pollute as
> much as diesel.
> Graham

Have a read of some of the links that have been posted to this thread,
apparently it cuts pollution quite considerably. Then there's also the fact
that you're re-using something which in many cases would have gone to land
fill (and the maybe recycled as diesel again in a few hundred millenia :)

Graeme
 
www.greasecar.com

:D


"stupot" <***@nospamwowo.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
> implications though. :)
 
graham came up with the following;:
> "stupot" <***@nospamwowo.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
>> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
>> implications though. :)
>
> My bike club was visited by some eco types promoting their bus that used
> waste oil from McD's etc. They tried to tell us that it didn't pollute as
> much as diesel.

It doesn't, though the main thrust of using veggie oil is that it's a wholly
renewable fuel source.

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Paul - *** wrote:
>
> It doesn't, though the main thrust of using veggie oil is that it's a
> wholly renewable fuel source.
>

Depends how much oil was used in the growing, refining and transporting
of the product. Earlier postings here would suggest rather a lot.

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Tony

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Anon
 
I submit that on or about Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:01:50 +0100, the person
known to the court as Tony Raven <[email protected]> made a
statement (<[email protected]> in Your Honour's bundle) to
the following effect:

>> It doesn't, though the main thrust of using veggie oil is that it's a
>> wholly renewable fuel source.

>Depends how much oil was used in the growing, refining and transporting
>of the product. Earlier postings here would suggest rather a lot.

At the risk of getting into a circular argument, if the refining
process and transport is itself powered by the veggie oil, surely that
objection falls. In the end, isn't the major problem the unlocking of
locked (fossil) carbon? As long as the process is carbon-neutral
overall it must surely be better than dead dinosaur power.

Guy
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> I submit that on or about Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:01:50 +0100, the person
> known to the court as Tony Raven <[email protected]> made a
> statement (<[email protected]> in Your Honour's bundle) to
> the following effect:
>
>
>>>It doesn't, though the main thrust of using veggie oil is that it's a
>>>wholly renewable fuel source.
>
>
>>Depends how much oil was used in the growing, refining and transporting
>>of the product. Earlier postings here would suggest rather a lot.
>
>
> At the risk of getting into a circular argument, if the refining
> process and transport is itself powered by the veggie oil, surely that
> objection falls. In the end, isn't the major problem the unlocking of
> locked (fossil) carbon? As long as the process is carbon-neutral
> overall it must surely be better than dead dinosaur power.

Yes, that's true, but the net yield per hectare has to be not only
positive but high enough to make a significant dent in our consumption
(while leaving some land for the production of fripperies such as food).
With current technology, that is not the case. There is the theoretical
possibility that algae might be able to give a decent yield, but
no-one's done it on a large scale yet.

James
 
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
> At the risk of getting into a circular argument, if the refining
> process and transport is itself powered by the veggie oil, surely that
> objection falls. In the end, isn't the major problem the unlocking of
> locked (fossil) carbon? As long as the process is carbon-neutral
> overall it must surely be better than dead dinosaur power.
>

That's what I wasn't clear about from the previous discussion. Assuming
all the fertiliser and energy used to grow and create the veggie oil is
from veggie oil does the process have a net gain or loss? Unless there
is a net gain then the process cannot be sustained without energy input
from other sources and the earlier discussion on cyclist food fuel
seemed to indicate it was a net loss.

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Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon
 
"Paul - ***" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> graham came up with the following;:
>> "stupot" <***@nospamwowo.com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
>>> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
>>> implications though. :)
>>
>> My bike club was visited by some eco types promoting their bus that used
>> waste oil from McD's etc. They tried to tell us that it didn't pollute
>> as
>> much as diesel.
>
> It doesn't, though the main thrust of using veggie oil is that it's a
> wholly renewable fuel source.
>
By coincidence, on the box last night there was an item about a guy who has
converted his diesel-powered motor-home to run on veggie oil. He uses the
used frying oil from fast-food restaurants who are only too glad to give it
to him and save the cost of disposal.
The only difference in pollution, surely, would be the lack of heavy metals
etc that are in normal fuel emissions.
Graham
 
graham wrote:
>
> By coincidence, on the box last night there was an item about a guy who has
> converted his diesel-powered motor-home to run on veggie oil. He uses the
> used frying oil from fast-food restaurants who are only too glad to give it
> to him and save the cost of disposal.


Mind you, preparing the veggie oil does not sound like a task for the
feinthearted:
http://www.veggiepower.org.uk/page208a.htm

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Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon
 
graham wrote:
> "Paul - ***" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > graham came up with the following;:
> >> "stupot" <***@nospamwowo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> On BBC2 last night was some reality eco programme with shots of
> >>> driver pouring veggie oil into their car. No mention of the tax
> >>> implications though. :)
> >>
> >> My bike club was visited by some eco types promoting their bus that used
> >> waste oil from McD's etc. They tried to tell us that it didn't pollute
> >> as
> >> much as diesel.
> >
> > It doesn't, though the main thrust of using veggie oil is that it's a
> > wholly renewable fuel source.
> >
> By coincidence, on the box last night there was an item about a guy who has
> converted his diesel-powered motor-home to run on veggie oil. He uses the
> used frying oil from fast-food restaurants who are only too glad to give it
> to him and save the cost of disposal.
> The only difference in pollution, surely, would be the lack of heavy metals
> etc that are in normal fuel emissions.
> Graham

I think there are more pluses than just that.

From
http://www.cytoculture.com/Biodiesel Handbook.htm#Lower Hydrocarbon Emissions

"As an oxygenated vegetable hydrocarbon, Biodiesel itself burns
cleanly, but it also improves the efficiency of combustion in blends
with petroleum fuel. As a result of cleaner emissions, there will be
reduced air and water pollution from boats operated on Biodiesel
blends. At a 20% Biodiesel blend, there will be a noticeable change in
the odor and smoke in the exhaust. Older engines should also emit less
soot under load and less carbon black during startup.

Independent research programs in Europe and the U.S. have shown that
Biodiesel in a 20 percent blend with petroleum diesel created a
significant reduction in visible smoke and odor. The studies documented
the reduction in hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and particulate matter."

Fine particualte matter is especially dubious as it seems to be
implicated in a lot of lung cancer.

John Kane
Kingston ON
 
Tony Raven wrote:

> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
>>At the risk of getting into a circular argument, if the refining
>>process and transport is itself powered by the veggie oil, surely that
>>objection falls. In the end, isn't the major problem the unlocking of
>>locked (fossil) carbon? As long as the process is carbon-neutral
>>overall it must surely be better than dead dinosaur power.
>>
>
>
> That's what I wasn't clear about from the previous discussion.

Not sure why, as I''m sure I gave provided this link back then too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel

James
 
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