Meat Grinder

Victor Sack said:

zxcvbob said:

I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
20 seconds.

I am not aware of any 3500+ Watt kettles. Who produces them?

I have a Russell Hobbs 3000 Watt kettle here. It does boil water
amazingly fast, but not in 20 seconds.

Victor

I was exaggerating just a little. 3kw is probably about right.

Bob

cybercat said:

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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Sheldon said:

On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T <[email hidden]> wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] says...
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>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you
>>> flabby
>>> old Queen.)
>>> This one looks good:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>> securely fastened to something.
>> N.
> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
> to move that much.
You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

Really.

Dan?

Sheldon is an [censored], for sure. But you are an [censored] too.
Different style, same content. Really.

No, my style is MUCH different.

Really.

cybercat said:

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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Sheldon said:

On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T <[email hidden]> wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> [email hidden] says...
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you
>>> flabby
>>> old Queen.)
>>> This one looks good:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>> securely fastened to something.
>> N.
> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
> to move that much.
You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

Really.

Dan?

Sheldon is an [censored], for sure. But you are an [censored] too.
Different style, same content. Really.

No, my style is MUCH different.

Really.

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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cybercat said:

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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Sheldon wrote:
> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> In article <[email hidden]>,
>> [email hidden] says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you
>>>> flabby
>>>> old Queen.)
>>>> This one looks good:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>> securely fastened to something.
>>> N.
>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is
>> going
>> to move that much.
> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>
You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

Really.

Dan?

Sheldon is an [censored], for sure. But you are an [censored] too.
Different style, same content. Really.

No, my style is MUCH different.

Really.

That's what I said.

Really.

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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cybercat said:

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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Sheldon wrote:
> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> In article <[email hidden]>,
>> [email hidden] says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you
>>>> flabby
>>>> old Queen.)
>>>> This one looks good:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>> securely fastened to something.
>>> N.
>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is
>> going
>> to move that much.
> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>
You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

Really.

Dan?

Sheldon is an [censored], for sure. But you are an [censored] too.
Different style, same content. Really.

No, my style is MUCH different.

Really.

That's what I said.

Really.

In article <[email hidden]>,
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Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote

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You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Here it is anyway, no need to thank me.

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Quoted message said:

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

Your reply says rather a lot about *your* choice.

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As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones.

No [censored]. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.

So, if you used to wire houses, it should be obvious to you that most
every US kitchen does have a 220V line. Those two 110V wires add up to
220V. And a lot of those typical kitchens even have at least one
ready-to-use 220V outlet. Into what do you think all those electric
ranges and ovens are plugged.... the owner's derrière?

Quoted message said:

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.

Back to hauling buckets of water from the village well? :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

And those ranges, as well as ovens, are usually installed in the
kitchen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

This subthread alone proves you wrong. If one wants to avoid buying a
meat grinder possibly manufactured in the Laogai, one's only real choice
is a 220V grinder. And there is no need to install a 220V line, just an
extra outlet.

Victor

Victor, usually they use two phases of the power line to create a 220V
circuit. I believe most U.S. power is distributed as 3 phase Y.

The reason you split across phases is so that all the current isn't off
one particular leg of the circuit.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Here it is anyway, no need to thank me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

Your reply says rather a lot about *your* choice.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones.

No [censored]. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.

So, if you used to wire houses, it should be obvious to you that most
every US kitchen does have a 220V line. Those two 110V wires add up to
220V. And a lot of those typical kitchens even have at least one
ready-to-use 220V outlet. Into what do you think all those electric
ranges and ovens are plugged.... the owner's derrière?

Quoted message said:

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.

Back to hauling buckets of water from the village well? :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

And those ranges, as well as ovens, are usually installed in the
kitchen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

This subthread alone proves you wrong. If one wants to avoid buying a
meat grinder possibly manufactured in the Laogai, one's only real choice
is a 220V grinder. And there is no need to install a 220V line, just an
extra outlet.

Victor

Victor, usually they use two phases of the power line to create a 220V
circuit. I believe most U.S. power is distributed as 3 phase Y.

The reason you split across phases is so that all the current isn't off
one particular leg of the circuit.

T <[email hidden]> wrote:
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:Victor, usually they use two phases of the power line to create a 220V
:circuit. I believe most U.S. power is distributed as 3 phase Y.

No. They don't. Unless you've got three-phase power, you've got a
single phase. In the US and Canada, it's distributed as 240V three
wires. The two hot wires are 120 V from ground, the third is earthed.

:The reason you split across phases is so that all the current isn't off
:one particular leg of the circuit.

The power company does this roughly be giving every fourth house the
same phase.

T <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>

:Victor, usually they use two phases of the power line to create a 220V
:circuit. I believe most U.S. power is distributed as 3 phase Y.

No. They don't. Unless you've got three-phase power, you've got a
single phase. In the US and Canada, it's distributed as 240V three
wires. The two hot wires are 120 V from ground, the third is earthed.

:The reason you split across phases is so that all the current isn't off
:one particular leg of the circuit.

The power company does this roughly be giving every fourth house the
same phase.

cybercat said:

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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cybercat said:

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Sheldon wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> In article <[email hidden]>,
>>> [email hidden] says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you
>>>>> flabby
>>>>> old Queen.)
>>>>> This one looks good:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>> N.
>>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is
>>> going
>>> to move that much.
>> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>>
> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].
>
> Really.
Dan?

Sheldon is an [censored], for sure. But you are an [censored] too.
Different style, same content. Really.

No, my style is MUCH different.

Really.

That's what I said.

Really.

Really?

cybercat said:

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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cybercat said:

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Sheldon wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> In article <[email hidden]>,
>>> [email hidden] says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you
>>>>> flabby
>>>>> old Queen.)
>>>>> This one looks good:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>> N.
>>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is
>>> going
>>> to move that much.
>> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>>
> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].
>
> Really.
Dan?

Sheldon is an [censored], for sure. But you are an [censored] too.
Different style, same content. Really.

No, my style is MUCH different.

Really.

That's what I said.

Really.

Really?