Meat Grinder

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I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.

Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
non-professional use.

Very good information, Victor. I have a two three-prong outlets (I guess
that's 220-240 V) in my little kitchen. Anyone with a fridge should have
at least one.

Unfortunately, that only means that they are grounded 110 outlets. The 220
is quite distinctive and impossible to plug a 110 appliance into. Look at
your dryer plug if you have one. That's almost always 220.

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I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.

Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
non-professional use.

Very good information, Victor. I have a two three-prong outlets (I guess
that's 220-240 V) in my little kitchen. Anyone with a fridge should have
at least one. Given the fact that I know I will be using the grinder for
years,
you're probably right. I should just get a decent electric one. I had not
even thought about noise, and it is a worthy consideration, particularly
since I really hate scraping the cats off the ceiling. 🙂

Have you actually heard the Kenwood or Braun in action? Are they
quieter than the Moulinex?

Your 3-pringed outlets are most likely 110-115 volt "grounded" outlets,
unless it's an outlet for an electric range. 220 volt current is not
typically installed in US homes except for major appliances like ranges,
electric dryers, etc. The typical household refrigerator uses 110-115 volt
power.

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Wayne Boatwright

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Your 3-pringed outlets are most likely 110-115 volt "grounded" outlets,
unless it's an outlet for an electric range. 220 volt current is not
typically installed in US homes except for major appliances like ranges,
electric dryers, etc. The typical household refrigerator uses 110-115
volt power.

Ahh, I see. Well, I could always grind the meat down in the utility room,
probably the best place for it. It's a kind of "mud room" off of the back
yard, with a huge old freezer and an extra refrigerator. There is also
one of the really big three-prong outlets upstairs in the master, where
someone apparently had a window AC unit.

The question is, do US distributors sell 220 volt meat grinders?

Others who use electric grinders, what do you think about all of this?

Take a look at this site, Cybercat. They carry both 110 and 220 volt
equipment. Honestly, though, I think you could do well with a good quality
110 volt unit, and some on this site are quite good.

You will sometimes see a prejudice against 110 volt appliances from folks
who live abroad.

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:25:51 -0500, "cybercat" <[email hidden]>

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Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.

(Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you flabby
old Queen.)

This one looks good:

http://tinyurl.com/29479d

What I want it for is grinding 4-5 lbs of beef max for burgers and
meatloaf,
at least for now. I'm sure I will find other uses for it after it arrives.

Yes, I am also googling the group.

You might want to ask on rec.food.equipment, as well.

Christine

Do you have a Kitchen Aid? There is an attachment for grinding meat.

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cybercat <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.

Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
non-professional use.

Very good information, Victor. I have a two three-prong outlets (I guess
that's 220-240 V) in my little kitchen. Anyone with a fridge should have
at least one. Given the fact that I know I will be using the grinder for
years,
you're probably right. I should just get a decent electric one. I had not
even thought about noise, and it is a worthy consideration, particularly
since I really hate scraping the cats off the ceiling. 🙂

Have you actually heard the Kenwood or Braun in action? Are they
quieter than the Moulinex?

"Giusi" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Unfortunately, that only means that they are grounded 110 outlets. The
220 is quite distinctive and impossible to plug a 110 appliance into.
Look at your dryer plug if you have one. That's almost always 220.

Make that electric dryers.

nancy

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Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 06:35:34a, cybercat meant to say...

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Your 3-pringed outlets are most likely 110-115 volt "grounded" outlets,
unless it's an outlet for an electric range. 220 volt current is not
typically installed in US homes except for major appliances like ranges,
electric dryers, etc. The typical household refrigerator uses 110-115
volt
power.

Ahh, I see. Well, I could always grind the meat down in the utility room,
probably the best place for it. It's a kind of "mud room" off of the back
yard, with a huge old freezer and an extra refrigerator. There is also
one of the really big three-prong outlets upstairs in the master, where
someone apparently had a window AC unit.

The question is, do US distributors sell 220 volt meat grinders?

Others who use electric grinders, what do you think about all of this?

"Kswck" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Do you have a Kitchen Aid? There is an attachment for grinding meat.

I don't. Do you use yours for grinding meat?

"Giusi" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Unfortunately, that only means that they are grounded 110 outlets. The
220 is quite distinctive and impossible to plug a 110 appliance into.
Look at your dryer plug if you have one. That's almost always 220.

Thanks, I really know nothing about such things. Obviously, 😉

Sqwertz said:

Christopher Helms said:

From the photo, the handle seems too long. You'll be cranking it with
the handle over the edge of the counter while the ground meat drops
out in front of you onto...I guess a plate.

All the manual grinders I've seen are designed that way - to be
used over the edge of the counter. Even the ones that are taller
and clamp to the edge of a table/counter.

Squat body to help stability; and long handle for leverage.

-sw

I've got one with a long handle like that. Remember the longer the lever
arm, the easier it is to grind. Just make sure whatever you anchor it to
is hefty enough that it won't lift up if you hit a tough spot in the
meat. Been there, done that when the kitchen table started to tilt the
wrong way. I now use the kitchen counter top to anchor to.
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Jack N2MPU
Proud NRA Life Member

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The question is, do US distributors sell 220 volt meat grinders?

Others who use electric grinders, what do you think about all of this?

220V is used for heavy duty stuff. If you are doing 100 or more pounds at a
time it would be useful because you can power a 3 HP motor. Not needed for
home use.

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cybercat <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.

Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
non-professional use.

Very good information, Victor. I have a two three-prong outlets (I guess
that's 220-240 V)

Huh?? I have at least one three-prong plug in my life -- e.g., the
power cord for my computer has three prongs. And the power strip that
it's plugged into has outlets that will accommodate three-prong plugs.
The power strip plugs into the wall outlet with a three-prong plug.

None are 220V, though; they're all 110V.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007

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cybercat said:

Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.

(Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you flabby
old Queen.)

This one looks good:

http://tinyurl.com/29479d

What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
securely fastened to something.

N.

It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
to move that much.

But if you really had to, you could mount this to a large piece of
butcherblock and then secure that to a cheap cart.

I do note the gigantic "MADE IN CHINA" on the side though.

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cybercat said:

Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.

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(Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you flabby
old Queen.)

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This one looks good:

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http://tinyurl.com/29479d

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What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
securely fastened to something.

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N.

It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
to move that much.

You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

Gregory Morrow said:

Ophelia said:

cybercat said:

"zxcvbob" <[email hidden]>

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> That one is too large for small batches like that. when I was
> young, we would use a #10 grinder to make 20 to 30 pounds of sausage
> at a time. Is there a #22 available? (I have an electric #12 that I
> bought from
> Northern a few years ago that works great)

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This one looks smaller, but I cannot find any specs.

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http://tinyurl.com/2eb8oe

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Since it has holes drilledinto it to secure it to the table, are you
prepared to have screws drilled into your table?

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Those clamp ones do at least cause (very little) damage

No worries, she has a speculum and stirrups drilled right into her dining
room table so the neighborhood boys can come in for lascivious viewing
sessions, she charges a solid quarter from what I hear...she calls it
"cybertwot's THRILL Arcade".

Cybertwot's the one receiving all the THRILLS, knowing young boys are
viewing her cavernous gaping maw without their puking.

Ophelia said:

cybercat said:

"zxcvbob" <[email hidden]>

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That one is too large for small batches like that. when I was
young, we would use a #10 grinder to make 20 to 30 pounds of sausage
at a time. Is there a #22 available? (I have an electric #12 that I
bought from
Northern a few years ago that works great)

This one looks smaller, but I cannot find any specs.

http://tinyurl.com/2eb8oe

Since it has holes drilledinto it to secure it to the table, are you
prepared to have screws drilled into your table?

Those clamp ones do at least cause (very little) damage

No worries, she has a speculum and stirrups drilled right into her dining
room table so the neighborhood boys can come in for lascivious viewing
sessions, she charges a solid quarter from what I hear...she calls it
"cybertwot's THRILL Arcade".

:-D

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Best
Greg

"I am smarter than you think I am"
- Maryanne "Loafhead" Kehoe to me
in alt.gossip.celebrities

Sheldon said:

Sqwertz said:

Squat body to help stability; and long handle for leverage.

Your personal stats... making a pass at cybersquat. hehe

"The mind judders..."

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Greg

"I am smarter than you think I am"
- Maryanne "Loafhead" Kehoe to me
in alt.gossip.celebrities

Edwin Pawlowski said:

220V is used for heavy duty stuff. If you are doing 100 or more pounds at a
time it would be useful because you can power a 3 HP motor. Not needed for
home use.

It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced. As
I posted, only one model is not produced in China/Laogai, and it happens
to lack a necessary reverse function. The meat grinders I mentioned,
Kenwood and Braun brands, are produced respectively in the UK and
Germany and also happen to be very respectable, quality-wise.

Victor

Edwin Pawlowski said:

220V is used for heavy duty stuff. If you are doing 100 or more pounds at a
time it would be useful because you can power a 3 HP motor. Not needed for
home use.

It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced. As
I posted, only one model is not produced in China/Laogai, and it happens
to lack a necessary reverse function. The meat grinders I mentioned,
Kenwood and Braun brands, are produced respectively in the UK and
Germany and also happen to be very respectable, quality-wise.

Victor

Edwin Pawlowski said:

220V is used for heavy duty stuff. If you are doing 100 or more pounds at a
time it would be useful because you can power a 3 HP motor. Not needed for
home use.

It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced. As
I posted, only one model is not produced in China/Laogai, and it happens
to lack a necessary reverse function. The meat grinders I mentioned,
Kenwood and Braun brands, are produced respectively in the UK and
Germany and also happen to be very respectable, quality-wise.

Victor