Meat Grinder

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

cybercat said:

Have you actually heard the Kenwood or Braun in action? Are they
quieter than the Moulinex?

Yes, they are noticeably quieter than my ancient Moulinex, even though
they are rather more powerful. I do not know if they are quite enough
for your cats, though. :-)

haha, those little Nervous Nellies need to toughen up!

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.

No, it is about the practicality and sensibility of using 220V in a typical
USA home kitchen. It is just not needed and is very rare to find a 220V
circuit in a home kitchen..

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones. There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
(but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire). The two 110/120V wires put
together can always be used to run 220/240V appliances - that is how you
can run electric dryers, ranges, or central air-conditioning. It is the
actual outlets/breakers combining those two 110/240V wires that may be
lacking. However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself. The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

Victor

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.

No, it is about the practicality and sensibility of using 220V in a typical
USA home kitchen. It is just not needed and is very rare to find a 220V
circuit in a home kitchen..

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones. There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
(but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire). The two 110/120V wires put
together can always be used to run 220/240V appliances - that is how you
can run electric dryers, ranges, or central air-conditioning. It is the
actual outlets/breakers combining those two 110/240V wires that may be
lacking. However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself. The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

Victor

Sheldon said:

T said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you flabby
> old Queen.)
> This one looks good:
> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
securely fastened to something.
N.

It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
to move that much.

You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

Really.

Sheldon said:

T said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you flabby
> old Queen.)
> This one looks good:
> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
securely fastened to something.
N.

It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
to move that much.

You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

Really.

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.

Quoted message said:

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Quoted message said:

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

Quoted message said:

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones.

No [censored]. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.
Commercial, yes. You can get all the power you need from a typical 110V
grinder.

Quoted message said:

There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
(but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire).

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.

Quoted message said:

However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

Quoted message said:

The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.

Quoted message said:

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Quoted message said:

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

Quoted message said:

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones.

No [censored]. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.
Commercial, yes. You can get all the power you need from a typical 110V
grinder.

Quoted message said:

There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
(but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire).

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.

Quoted message said:

However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

Quoted message said:

The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
> home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.

Quoted message said:

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Quoted message said:

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

Quoted message said:

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones.

No [censored]. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.
Commercial, yes. You can get all the power you need from a typical 110V
grinder.

Quoted message said:

There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
(but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire).

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.

Quoted message said:

However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

Quoted message said:

The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
20 seconds. But i can't find one of the kettles, and it doesn't make
sense to wire the new outlet until I can actually use it.

Bob

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
> home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.

Quoted message said:

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Quoted message said:

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

Quoted message said:

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones.

No [censored]. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.
Commercial, yes. You can get all the power you need from a typical 110V
grinder.

Quoted message said:

There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
(but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire).

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.

Quoted message said:

However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

Quoted message said:

The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
20 seconds. But i can't find one of the kettles, and it doesn't make
sense to wire the new outlet until I can actually use it.

Bob

DumbDan said:

Sheldon said:

Quoted message said:

You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

What long time... will take me only about an hour to give your
sister's [censored] a good grinding, honing, and lapping... they don't
call me [censored] pro for nothing ya know... you got a daughter, if
she's got [censored] I'll toss her [censored] reaming in for free.

Ahll be bach!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

Sheldon Arrrnold

DumbDan said:

Sheldon said:

Quoted message said:

You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

What long time... will take me only about an hour to give your
sister's [censored] a good grinding, honing, and lapping... they don't
call me [censored] pro for nothing ya know... you got a daughter, if
she's got [censored] I'll toss her [censored] reaming in for free.

Ahll be bach!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

Sheldon Arrrnold

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Sheldon said:

T said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you
>> flabby
>> old Queen.)
>> This one looks good:
>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
> securely fastened to something.
> N.
It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
to move that much.

You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

Really.

Dan?

Sheldon is an [censored], for sure. But you are an [censored] too.
Different style, same content. Really.

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Sheldon said:

T said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old [censored]. And you Morrow, you
>> flabby
>> old Queen.)
>> This one looks good:
>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
> securely fastened to something.
> N.
It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
to move that much.

You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

Really.

Dan?

Sheldon is an [censored], for sure. But you are an [censored] too.
Different style, same content. Really.

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

DumbDan said:

Sheldon said:

>
You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

What long time... will take me only about an hour to give your
sister's [censored] a good grinding, honing, and lapping... they don't
call me [censored] pro for nothing ya know... you got a daughter, if
she's got [censored] I'll toss her [censored] reaming in for free.

Ahll be bach!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

Sheldon Arrrnold

Sheldon. Someone may take you out of this world if you are not careful.
You're just a chewed little bone of a no-[censored] old guy, after all.

Just looking out for you.

"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

DumbDan said:

Sheldon said:

>
You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, [censored].

What long time... will take me only about an hour to give your
sister's [censored] a good grinding, honing, and lapping... they don't
call me [censored] pro for nothing ya know... you got a daughter, if
she's got [censored] I'll toss her [censored] reaming in for free.

Ahll be bach!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

Sheldon Arrrnold

Sheldon. Someone may take you out of this world if you are not careful.
You're just a chewed little bone of a no-[censored] old guy, after all.

Just looking out for you.

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Here it is anyway, no need to thank me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

Your reply says rather a lot about *your* choice.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones.

No [censored]. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.

So, if you used to wire houses, it should be obvious to you that most
every US kitchen does have a 220V line. Those two 110V wires add up to
220V. And a lot of those typical kitchens even have at least one
ready-to-use 220V outlet. Into what do you think all those electric
ranges and ovens are plugged.... the owner's derrière?

Quoted message said:

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.

Back to hauling buckets of water from the village well? :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

And those ranges, as well as ovens, are usually installed in the
kitchen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

This subthread alone proves you wrong. If one wants to avoid buying a
meat grinder possibly manufactured in the Laogai, one's only real choice
is a 220V grinder. And there is no need to install a 220V line, just an
extra outlet.

Victor

Edwin Pawlowski said:

"Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Here it is anyway, no need to thank me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

Your reply says rather a lot about *your* choice.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones.

No [censored]. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.

So, if you used to wire houses, it should be obvious to you that most
every US kitchen does have a 220V line. Those two 110V wires add up to
220V. And a lot of those typical kitchens even have at least one
ready-to-use 220V outlet. Into what do you think all those electric
ranges and ovens are plugged.... the owner's derrière?

Quoted message said:

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.

Back to hauling buckets of water from the village well? :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

And those ranges, as well as ovens, are usually installed in the
kitchen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

This subthread alone proves you wrong. If one wants to avoid buying a
meat grinder possibly manufactured in the Laogai, one's only real choice
is a 220V grinder. And there is no need to install a 220V line, just an
extra outlet.

Victor

zxcvbob said:

I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
20 seconds.

I am not aware of any 3500+ Watt kettles. Who produces them?

I have a Russell Hobbs 3000 Watt kettle here. It does boil water
amazingly fast, but not in 20 seconds.

Victor

zxcvbob said:

I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
20 seconds.

I am not aware of any 3500+ Watt kettles. Who produces them?

I have a Russell Hobbs 3000 Watt kettle here. It does boil water
amazingly fast, but not in 20 seconds.

Victor

Victor Sack said:

zxcvbob said:

I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
20 seconds.

I am not aware of any 3500+ Watt kettles. Who produces them?

I have a Russell Hobbs 3000 Watt kettle here. It does boil water
amazingly fast, but not in 20 seconds.

Victor

I was exaggerating just a little. 3kw is probably about right.

Bob