On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:52:36 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>
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I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
Thanks, Bob
First you say you like Miracle Whip (branding yourself as a mutant), and then you ask about salad dressing, which you had to reason to capitalize. Are you asking how to make your mayo taste like Miracle Whip, or some other thing?
I thought that was obvious. Yes, I want to make my own Miracle Whip clone to use on sandwiches and in salads. I've made "boiled salad dressing" before, but it isn't fatty enough. I'll continue to use real mayo when I make egg salad or deviled eggs, which are the two legitimate uses for it.
(You're afraid of dog [censored], what does that make you?)
"l, not -l" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. [snip]
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According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced, if you don't believe what you see. [snip]
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Then, the dictionary is wrong.
No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem
i once went to a columbia football game. one of the crowd chants was:
harass them! harass them! make them relinquish the ball!
"l, not -l" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.
As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's explanation, which makes sense, to an extent.
Nice try. I never questioned the rules of pronunciation, only your adamant assertion that yours was the authoritative pronunciation of the word crappie. You were mistaken.
And yet, Kevin found my pronunciation in another dictionary. That's interesting, don't you think?
There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.
I'm a native Californicator. I say ketchup, I spell it catsup. In all of my travels, domestic and international, I have never actually heard anyone call it "catsup". ToMAHto sauce, yes, catsup, no.
TammyM
i think the only time i've heard 'catsup' was spoken by mr. burns on 'the simpsons.'
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Do you say catsup, or ketchup?
There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.
Cindy Hamilton
Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they pronounce this fish:
crappie
Midwestern raised, here, too.
Pronounce the tomato stuff as ketchup.
Crappie pronounced to be homophonic with crappy
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:33:23 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® <[email hidden]>
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I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
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Thanks, Bob
Do as the Belgians ... make your mayonaise with lemon juice, or just add lemonjuice to ordinary mayonaise.
All decent mayo is made with lemon juice. Vinegar does not belong in mayo, nor does sugar, nor do egg whites, nor does corn starch, and for what it's worth, nor does soybean oil. Reasonable tasting oils are not that pricey.
Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with a ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.
According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced, if you don't believe what you see.
They don't even offer "crappy" as a correct alternative pronunciation.
Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the USan Midwest.
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LOL Two of my elderly aunts were visiting. The fight started when Aunt Reba shook the Bible at Aunt Ruby, and said there was nothing in that book but a bunch of hogwash. I thought Aunt Ruby would have a stroke. Then, Aunt Reba jumped in the car and backed out of the garage. Unfortunately, she forgot to open the garage door, first.
Didn't take God long to fix *her* ass, did it? 🙂
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Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the USan Midwest.
Looking at the American Heritage Dictionary. circa 1969, I see:
crappie: either of two edible North American freshwater fishes, Pomoxsis nigromaculatus, the black crappie, or P. annularis, the white crappie, related to the sunfishes [Canadian French: crapet]
"a" pronounced as in "pat".
This reminds me of a guy who ran for Congress from Idaho (I think) - Mike Crapo, now a senator. When he first ran for the House, he ran ads that said "IT'S CRAPO", somehow indicating "a" as in "drape".
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:23:43 -0400, Ward Abbott <[email hidden]>
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:44:14 -0400, "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]>
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buy Hellman's mayo, add a little vinegar and sugar to taste.
I bought Hellman's for thirty years. A couple of months ago, Fine Cooking did a review of jarred mayo from regional to national brands. They rated Kraft Mayo, not Miracle Whip over all brands including Duke brand.
I tried the Kraft Mayo and will NEVER buy anything but Kraft mayo again. It is just like homemade. Smooth and creamy....very nice.
OTOH, I wish my homemade mayo would come out like Hellman's! The recipes I've tried for homemade mayo are indeed like Kraft's mayo... smooth and creamy yes, but bland and boring 🙂
Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.
As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's explanation, which makes sense, to an extent.
Nice try. I never questioned the rules of pronunciation, only your adamant assertion that yours was the authoritative pronunciation of the word crappie. You were mistaken.
And yet, Kevin found my pronunciation in another dictionary. That's interesting, don't you think?
Interesting? Yes. That was in the "circa 1969" edition of the American Heritage Dictionary; a dictionary whose current edition offers "croppy" as correct. I suggest you take a cue from them and drop the erroneous 1969 pronunciation for the correct one.
It has become painfully obvious that you are one of those fellows that, even when obviously wrong, will never admit to error. It is further evident that you are one who must always get in the last word; I do not suffer that character flaw (though admit to others) and will make this my last post on the subject. -- Change Cujo to Juno in email address.
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Melba's Jammin said:
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Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they pronounce this fish:
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crappie
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Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin and destruction upon their houses?
No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-) -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJhttp://www.jamlady.eboard.com- story and pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007
Us, too, down here in Iowa. ;-) I've never heard anyone NOT say "croppie."
N.
Here in Oregon it's pronounced "croppie." To say it otherwise marks the speaker as an out-of-stater, most likely from the East.
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:43:26 -0700, Nancy2 <[email hidden]>
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JoeSpareBedroom said:
Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they pronounce this fish:
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crappie
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Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin and destruction upon their houses?
No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-) -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJhttp://www.jamlady.eboard.com- story and pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007
Us, too, down here in Iowa. ;-) I've never heard anyone NOT say "croppie."
It's pronounced "croppie" in Tennessee as well. My grandfather and I used to catch them all the time when I was a kid.
"l, not -l" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not. > > As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's > explanation, > which makes sense, to an extent.
Nice try. I never questioned the rules of pronunciation, only your adamant assertion that yours was the authoritative pronunciation of the word crappie. You were mistaken.
And yet, Kevin found my pronunciation in another dictionary. That's interesting, don't you think?
Interesting? Yes. That was in the "circa 1969" edition of the American Heritage Dictionary; a dictionary whose current edition offers "croppy" as correct. I suggest you take a cue from them and drop the erroneous 1969 pronunciation for the correct one.
It has become painfully obvious that you are one of those fellows that, even when obviously wrong, will never admit to error. It is further evident that you are one who must always get in the last word; I do not suffer that character flaw (though admit to others) and will make this my last post on the subject.
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Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the USan Midwest.
Looking at the American Heritage Dictionary. circa 1969, I see:
crappie: either of two edible North American freshwater fishes, Pomoxsis nigromaculatus, the black crappie, or P. annularis, the white crappie, related to the sunfishes [Canadian French: crapet]
"a" pronounced as in "pat".
This reminds me of a guy who ran for Congress from Idaho (I think) - Mike Crapo, now a senator. When he first ran for the House, he ran ads that said "IT'S CRAPO", somehow indicating "a" as in "drape".
And, let's not forget what politicians love to say when a horrible crime requires public comment:
"We must do something about heinous crimes like this one!", pronouncing "heinous" like "penis".
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Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the USan Midwest.
Looking at the American Heritage Dictionary. circa 1969, I see:
crappie: either of two edible North American freshwater fishes, Pomoxsis nigromaculatus, the black crappie, or P. annularis, the white crappie, related to the sunfishes [Canadian French: crapet]
"a" pronounced as in "pat".
This reminds me of a guy who ran for Congress from Idaho (I think) - Mike Crapo, now a senator. When he first ran for the House, he ran ads that said "IT'S CRAPO", somehow indicating "a" as in "drape".
And, let's not forget what politicians love to say when a horrible crime requires public comment:
"We must do something about heinous crimes like this one!", pronouncing "heinous" like "penis".
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On Aug 9, 2:45?pm, Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there > but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned > elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the > USan Midwest.
Looking at the American Heritage Dictionary. circa 1969, I see:
crappie: either of two edible North American freshwater fishes, Pomoxsis nigromaculatus, the black crappie, or P. annularis, the white crappie, related to the sunfishes [Canadian French: crapet]
"a" pronounced as in "pat".
This reminds me of a guy who ran for Congress from Idaho (I think) - Mike Crapo, now a senator. When he first ran for the House, he ran ads that said "IT'S CRAPO", somehow indicating "a" as in "drape".
And, let's not forget what politicians love to say when a horrible crime requires public comment:
"We must do something about heinous crimes like this one!", pronouncing "heinous" like "penis".
I've always heard it pronounced it as 'hey-nous.'
~~ Shelly ~~
Yes, that's the right way. But, I've heard a few Washington blowhards mispronounce the word.
