Mayonnaise

KW said:

My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short a
(Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled out the
dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his ass!
Never Surrender ! :-)

LOL Two of my elderly aunts were visiting. The fight started when Aunt
Reba shook the Bible at Aunt Ruby, and said there was nothing in that
book but a bunch of hogwash. I thought Aunt Ruby would have a stroke.
Then, Aunt Reba jumped in the car and backed out of the garage.
Unfortunately, she forgot to open the garage door, first. Ah, family. <g>

Becca

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KW' keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet said:

My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie)

Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?

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and Papaw the short a (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was
in a huff and pulled out the dictionary to prove her point and Papaw
politely told her to kiss his ass! Never Surrender ! :-)

Was it a nice Dead Spread?
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pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

JoeSpareBedroom said:

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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. [snip]

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According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced,
if you don't believe what you see. [snip]

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Then, the dictionary is wrong.

No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem

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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety.
> [snip]

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According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it
pronounced,
if you don't believe what you see. [snip]

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Then, the dictionary is wrong.

No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem

I'm wrong? How do you come to that conclusion, considering the accepted
rules of pronunciation for English? Sure, there are exceptions, but
"crappie" isn't one of them, unless you want to take the easy way out and
call it a regional flaw.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

KW' keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet said:

My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie)

Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?

Correctimundo! As in we caught a mess of Cray-pee! Your trip to the House of
George wasn't a total waste I see as you caught the subtle nuances of the
Deep South Drawl.
..

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Quoted message said:

and Papaw the short a (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was
in a huff and pulled out the dictionary to prove her point and Papaw
politely told her to kiss his ass! Never Surrender ! :-)

Was it a nice Dead Spread?

Not that particular time, but I do recall Papaw sporting a certain crimson
blush to just one cheek after that comment <G>

Actually she went first, but yes they were both very nice as far as Dead
Spreads go. Can't have a funeral without one down here!

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http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

Ward Abbott said:

I tried the Kraft Mayo and will NEVER buy anything but Kraft mayo
again. It is just like homemade. Smooth and creamy....very nice.

The last time I had Kraft Mayo in the house I thought it had a somewhat
gelatin like consistency? I've always preferred the taste of Hellmann's
and buy that, but occasionally have purchased Kraft. Miracle Whip has
never been found in my home. Duke's isn't anything special to me?

JoeSpareBedroom said:

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.
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JoeSpareBedroom said:

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.

The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation. If
you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.

The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation. If
you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

So... *all* the dictionaries are wrong, and you are right?

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea why it's
pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from French "crapet" I
thought it was gonna be something German with an umlaut)

Best regards,
Bob

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Then, the dictionary is wrong.
Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.

The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation.
If you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

So... *all* the dictionaries are wrong, and you are right?

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea why it's pronounced
weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from French "crapet" I thought it was
gonna be something German with an umlaut)

Best regards,
Bob

OK. That makes sense.

JoeSpareBedroom said:

The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation.
If
you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

This is what I believe:
The American Heritage Dictionary and The Merriam-Webster Dictionary are more
authoritative sources than a self-appointed, newsgroup English teacher. If
you have credentials that substantiate you being a better lexicographer than
those that edited the above referenced dictionaries, please present them.

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation.
If
you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

This is what I believe:
The American Heritage Dictionary and The Merriam-Webster Dictionary are
more
authoritative sources than a self-appointed, newsgroup English teacher.
If
you have credentials that substantiate you being a better lexicographer
than
those that edited the above referenced dictionaries, please present them.

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Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.

As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's explanation,
which makes sense, to an extent.

zxcvbob said:

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea
why it's pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from
French "crapet" I thought it was gonna be something
German with an umlaut)

Just out of curiosity, I looked in a Shorter Oxford O.E.D.
I found this entry for "crappie" - U.S. 1861. A species of
sunfish, pomoxys annularis, found in the Mississippi.
It shows the "a" pronounced as in "man".

The next entry is "crappit-head" - the head of a haddock
stuffed with the roe, oatmeal, suet and spices.

Not only that, this editor/reviser is C. T. Onions.

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zxcvbob said:

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea
why it's pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from
French "crapet" I thought it was gonna be something
German with an umlaut)

Just out of curiosity, I looked in a Shorter Oxford O.E.D.
I found this entry for "crappie" - U.S. 1861. A species of
sunfish, pomoxys annularis, found in the Mississippi.
It shows the "a" pronounced as in "man".

The next entry is "crappit-head" - the head of a haddock
stuffed with the roe, oatmeal, suet and spices.

Not only that, this editor/reviser is C. T. Onions.

In certain parts of Western NY, they avoid the issue entirely, calling the
fish a papermouth.

Blinky the Shark said:

zxcvbob said:

I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old

Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
Miracle Whip preference.

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Hey, Blinky, I like MW and I grew up in the Midwest. We had home-made
boiled salad dressing during my entire growing-up years (my family
farmed, and my mom didn't buy that kinda stuff at a store). I don't
know why I like it better, I just do. Bite me. ;-)

N.

Melba's Jammin said:

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
pronounce this fish:

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crappie

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Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
and destruction upon their houses?

No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
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pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

Us, too, down here in Iowa. ;-) I've never heard anyone NOT say
"croppie."

N.

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JoeSpareBedroom said:

"l, not -l" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety.
>> [snip]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
> pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it
> pronounced,
> if you don't believe what you see. [snip]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

Quoted message said:

No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem

I'm wrong? How do you come to that conclusion, considering the accepted
rules of pronunciation for English? Sure, there are exceptions, but
"crappie" isn't one of them, unless you want to take the easy way out and
call it a regional flaw.- Hide quoted text -

Every rule has exceptions.

N.0

JoeSpareBedroom said:

Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.

As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's explanation,
which makes sense, to an extent.

Nice try. I never questioned the rules of pronunciation, only your adamant
assertion that yours was the authoritative pronunciation of the word
crappie. You were mistaken.
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zxcvbob said...

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I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?

Thanks,
Bob

Bob,

Late to the thread.

This doesn't apply to your question but it's worthy of your consideration at
least.

I see-saw between mayo and miracle whip depending on diet.

Currently in diet mode, I've found TJ's tub of garlic hummus to be a miracle
substitute nutritional and flavorwise.

It's substituted for ketchup, mustard and mayo with great results.

It's been great for tuna salad sandwiches, on chicken, etc., etc.

I have no problem with miracle-whip-free, except some of the artificialness
of it.

Sorry.

--
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Three Stooges in One
CotD #2

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:59:43 -0500, zxcvbob <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?

Thanks,
Bob

dear god.

your pal,
blake