max HR

Enlist the aid of a friend and a mag trainer.

Warm up in lowest gear. Then every minute drop it down a gear until and
maintin your cadence. When you run out of omph, that should be your max hr.

The friend is there to shout encouragement and aid you if u keel over.

P

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OK.. so if the idea is to try and make it to work doing mostly E1, how
do I determine the max HR so I can determine E1?

The various formulae have me at 173 to 180 which is a fair old
difference and they are all statistically based anyway.

Lacking a lab for controlled tests, what's the best way to determine
the max HR?

Zebee

Paulus said:

Enlist the aid of a friend and a mag trainer.

Warm up in lowest gear. Then every minute drop it down a gear until and
maintin your cadence. When you run out of omph, that should be your max hr.

That's one protocol, here's another :

Warm up for about 15 min in E1. Then, on your trainer (do *not* do
this on the open road, but maybe on a 'bent you can do it on a
velodrone or something), every 2 mins, maintaining 90rpm, go into a
harder gear. When you can't do any more, sprint for 30 seconds.

But, in all seriousness, this is a difficult, unenjoyable and possibly
dangerous thing to do. If you have a history of heart problems, or
you're over 35, I'd be suggesting you do this kind of a thing in a lab
with a ECG and a defib handy. For the purposes of recreational riding,
most people are sufficiently well served by (female) 230 - your age.
It's close enough for most people. For males, it's 220 - your age.

The results from a HRmax test are usually (I'd say around 80%) within
5bpm of the age formula, and that's plenty close enough.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bleve said:

That's one protocol, here's another :

Warm up for about 15 min in E1.

Urm, but isn't the point of the exercise for Zebee to get her max HR so
she can calculate her E1? I spy a circle...

--
Shane Stanley

Bleve said:

Paulus said:

Enlist the aid of a friend and a mag trainer.

Warm up in lowest gear. Then every minute drop it down a gear until and
maintin your cadence. When you run out of omph, that should be your max hr.

That's one protocol, here's another :

Warm up for about 15 min in E1. Then, on your trainer (do *not* do
this on the open road, but maybe on a 'bent you can do it on a
velodrone or something), every 2 mins, maintaining 90rpm, go into a
harder gear. When you can't do any more, sprint for 30 seconds.

But, in all seriousness, this is a difficult, unenjoyable and possibly
dangerous thing to do. If you have a history of heart problems, or
you're over 35, I'd be suggesting you do this kind of a thing in a lab
with a ECG and a defib handy. For the purposes of recreational riding,
most people are sufficiently well served by (female) 230 - your age.
It's close enough for most people. For males, it's 220 - your age.

Interesting. I do this kind of workout on the trainer everyday for five
minute increments times six (30sec to 1min rest between rounds), and then
go ride the road. My top speed is 36.9mph (for 30-40 seconds) in 48x11, my
best avg speed is ~22mph, and my cadence is 95-100rpm. It's not easy, but
it's not unenjoyable. My understanding is the pros work -much- harder,
riding for an hour at 25-30mph - iirc. (is that true?)

Yesterday I did 40 minutes getting 14 miles (avg speed 21.3mph, top speed
35mph, six 30 second sprints), and then did 8 miles on the road at 15mph
avg. That's a fairly common workout. I'm 50-something. ;-)

I have an HR monitor, but haven't used it much since getting my numbers
back in Feb or March. I'll have to hook it up tomorrow. My HRmax is about
170-175, but I haven't pushed it that hard. (resting is below 60bpm).

Quoted message said:

The results from a HRmax test are usually (I'd say around 80%) within
5bpm of the age formula, and that's plenty close enough.

Shane Stanley said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bleve said:

That's one protocol, here's another :

Warm up for about 15 min in E1.

Urm, but isn't the point of the exercise for Zebee to get her max HR so
she can calculate her E1? I spy a circle...

^E1^Easy tootle

Bleve said:

The results from a HRmax test are usually (I'd say around 80%) within 5bpm of the age formula, and that's plenty close enough.

I'm an example of someone on the edge of the statistical bell curve. I've been able to get my HR up to 204 bpm - that means I'm 16! Woohoo! 😄 (I'm 34 BTW).

jazmo said:

Bleve said:

The results from a HRmax test are usually (I'd say around 80%) within
5bpm of the age formula, and that's plenty close enough.

I'm an example of someone on the edge of the statistical bell curve.
I've been able to get my HR up to 204 bpm - that means I'm 16! Woohoo!
😄 (I'm 34 BTW).

Same here (34 too), but I can only get mine that high when my kids run
out onto the road! :-) Thankfully it's not a sustained HR.

--
Bean

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"Zebee Johnstone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OK.. so if the idea is to try and make it to work doing mostly E1, how
do I determine the max HR so I can determine E1?

The various formulae have me at 173 to 180 which is a fair old
difference and they are all statistically based anyway.

Lacking a lab for controlled tests, what's the best way to determine
the max HR?

Zebee

Check out this website they have some great info and some good tools to help
in calculating MHR, VO2 Max Etc.

http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/maxhr.htm

I get quite a high Etc rating according to that site :P

Here is me high in my Etc zone leading the pack.

http://kooragangcycling.asn.au/client_images/103852.jpg

Boostland said:

"Zebee Johnstone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OK.. so if the idea is to try and make it to work doing mostly E1, how
do I determine the max HR so I can determine E1?

The various formulae have me at 173 to 180 which is a fair old
difference and they are all statistically based anyway.

Lacking a lab for controlled tests, what's the best way to determine
the max HR?

Zebee

Check out this website they have some great info and some good tools to help
in calculating MHR, VO2 Max Etc.

Bear in mind that you cannot calculate VO2max, you can measure it, but
any calculations based on other data than oxygen use is at best, a wild
guess. There are too many things going on to be able to reliably
extrapolate other test data into VO2max. If you haven't been hooked up
to an oxygen sensor and tested to max, you don't know your VO2max.

Not that VO2max is all that useful a number anyway .... but some people
get quite hung up on it.

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Bear in mind that you cannot calculate VO2max, you can measure it, but
any calculations based on other data than oxygen use is at best, a wild
guess. There are too many things going on to be able to reliably
extrapolate other test data into VO2max. If you haven't been hooked up
to an oxygen sensor and tested to max, you don't know your VO2max.

Not that VO2max is all that useful a number anyway .... but some people
get quite hung up on it.

I had a VO2max test done in 1990 at the Newcastle Uni, I scored 71 at the
time and was only beaten by one person who scored 72 when they were doing
the tests.

I have no idea what my VO2max is now but I suspect it would be quite a bit
lower as I am a lot older and I have only just got back into racing this
year after a 16 year break thanks to a knee problem and then a accident with
a car in 1997.

On 2006-10-09, Shane Stanley (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bleve said:

That's one protocol, here's another :

Warm up for about 15 min in E1.

Urm, but isn't the point of the exercise for Zebee to get her max HR so
she can calculate her E1? I spy a circle...

So you do an iterative solution.

Mmmm, multiple MaxHR tests 🙂

--
TimC
Hell - n. The current residence of Mr. Noah Webster, Lexicographer.
(Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_)

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:54:41 +1000

TimC said:

So you do an iterative solution.

Mmmm, multiple MaxHR tests 🙂

Tell ya what, you can do them for me!

Zebee
- who is going to try this "go to work at E1" thing. No idea how
I'll manage it as I spend most time at high E2 and I don't feel
like I'm putting heaps into it. THe big problem's going to be running
out of legs as it's alot more motions to go up a hill in really low
gears even if they are slow motions.

I must be an odd one out..33 yrs old. max hr 201.

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<snip>

Quoted message said:

The results from a HRmax test are usually (I'd say around 80%) within
5bpm of the age formula, and that's plenty close enough.

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Paulus' ..ua said:

I must be an odd one out..33 yrs old. max hr 201.

You must have a tachyarrhythmia. See your doctor, pronto! 😄

Paulus said:

I must be an odd one out..33 yrs old. max hr 201.

I always suspected that USENET was full of freaks 🙂

HJJ said:

Interesting. I do this kind of workout on the trainer everyday for five
minute increments times six (30sec to 1min rest between rounds), and then
go ride the road. My top speed is 36.9mph (for 30-40 seconds) in 48x11, my
best avg speed is ~22mph, and my cadence is 95-100rpm. It's not easy, but
it's not unenjoyable. My understanding is the pros work -much- harder,
riding for an hour at 25-30mph - iirc. (is that true?)

I'm an average, non-competitive rider and my average over the last year or so is 27km/h. That's no real indication though, most of my terrain is flat; I've a pretty decent bike and I look after it.

I think the avg speed for the Tour de France was something in the region of 45km/h or so. Club racers are in a completely different league to me and the step up to the Pros is just as ginormous.

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In article
<[email hidden]>,

Paulus' ..ua said:

I must be an odd one out..33 yrs old. max hr 201.

You must have a tachyarrhythmia. See your doctor, pronto! 😄

What do you make of my 44bpm resting pulse then? Am I dead??? 🙂

On 11/10/06 at 18:30:08 Paulus somehow managed to type:

Quoted message said:

I must be an odd one out..33 yrs old. max hr 201.

Hmmmm 53, resting hr around 45bpm and a max, as tested a couple of
weeks ago of 195bpm at which point I chucked all over the
treadmill...:-) The reason for the test was a check on my chronically
low blood pressure - 90/50.

<snip>

--

Humbug
Today is Setting Orange, the 66th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3172

Humbug said:

On 11/10/06 at 18:30:08 Paulus somehow managed to type:

Quoted message said:

I must be an odd one out..33 yrs old. max hr 201.

Hmmmm 53, resting hr around 45bpm and a max, as tested a couple of
weeks ago of 195bpm at which point I chucked all over the
treadmill...:-) The reason for the test was a check on my chronically
low blood pressure - 90/50.

<snip>

That is bloomin' impressive. Are you super-super fit, or is it inherent?

If you are spending a lot of time working hard on a bike it can reduce your
blood pressure for some time afterwards. Mine often goes down to around
110/70 after exercise, even though I have had above average blood pressure
since my twenties.

Cheers,

Vince