Lance Resentment

Jack Hollis said:

On 24 Jul 2004 03:56:42 GMT, [email hidden] (Shussbar) wrote:

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By the way, USA sucks at handball, fencing, and lot of other disciplnes.

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I don't knw much about handball bu the #1 ranked male fencer in the
world is an American.

"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Oh, it's not just because when they are on holiday. I've never had an old
woman elbow her way in front of me at line in the supermarket before I moved
to Germany.

Did you punch her back ???

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It is racing.

I hope today Armstrong will fall and Klöden taking him on his back the
ten rounds to the finishing line. Just to show you what tradition and
dignity means.

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Auf wiedersehen Sheisskopf!

Quite the niveau of the german fans in L´Alpe d`Huez, you
Armstrong-Nazi.

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It is racing.

I hope today Armstrong will fall and Klöden taking him on his back the
ten rounds to the finishing line. Just to show you what tradition and
dignity means.

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Auf wiedersehen Sheisskopf!

Quite the niveau of the german fans in L´Alpe d`Huez, you
Armstrong-Nazi.

Laz said:

"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Oh, it's not just because when they are on holiday. I've never had
an old
woman elbow her way in front of me at line in the supermarket before
I moved
to Germany.

Did you punch her back ???

No, but I almost referred to her as "du".

Jack Hollis <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> He's in the top 3 of all time with Hinault and Merckx.

Hinault only won 5 Tours because Lamond let him win in 1985. Lance is
better than Hinault ever was.

Incredible how dumb you are.

I may be a lot of things Kenny, but dumb is not one of them.

Your entitled to you opinion, but the only bike rider who could be
considered as better than Lance is Merckx.

All the other are left in the dust.

Why is Merckx the only one?

Shoulda punched her lights out while singing "God Bless America"

Laz

"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Oh, it's not just because when they are on holiday. I've never had
an old
woman elbow her way in front of me at line in the supermarket before
I moved
to Germany.

Did you punch her back ???

No, but I almost referred to her as "du".

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From: [email hidden] (Laz)
Date: 7/25/2004 10:11 AM Eastern

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Shoulda punched her lights out while singing "God Bless America"

Not sure that Kyle the Canadian knows the words, but would've been a good
ploy, and believable.
Bill C

Kenny said:

gwhite <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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True, but in the US, the Euro one day classics are essentially unknown to the average dumbass. US
bike racing fans know differently, but for a US bike racer in Euro to appeal to a *wide* audience in
the US, the TdF is pretty much "it."

And that's where it goes wrong

No, that's where goes right.

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Lemond and Armstrong are about 10 years apart. That said, Lance will probably get six on Sunday,
and he'll be the only one in 100 years to do so. So "no suprise" that riders like that are not
common.

we meet again in 10 years.

It doesn't matter in any case -- I don't personally care. It was only amusing that you said
something wouldn't happen that just has happened.

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One more thing, lately we all know why American athletes were so
dominant, ...

"We" do?

indeed we do

Okay, so you're stupid.

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The soviets and the East Germans
did it during the cold war, but in America they still keep on
"preparing" super-athletes these days.

The US government did not prepare Lance for the TdF in the manner commie states took care of their
athletes.

So you were there??

Okay, East Germany and the Soviet Union were pure capitalistic republics that left athletes to
entirely fend for themselves. Okay, so you're stupid. The Post Office even makes its own money
these days. And why not(?), they are a government sanctioned monopoly screwing the outsider and the
little guy (which means *both* republicans and democrats love 'em). HEEEYYYYYYY!!!!!! Maybe you're
right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ryan Cousineau said:

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Stewart Fleming <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Hinault's comment was "Perfect!"
> Lance's follow on from that in the interview was "No gifts..."

Lance said: Hinault told him "no cadeaux". Off to your french dictionary
you go...

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No cakes?

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Alors, let them eat brioches,

Are you asking for a spanking from Pipi in fishnets?

I'm just a bad little boy who thinks the vague similarity between
"cadeaux" and "gateaux" is funny. And there's vague overtones that make
thsi joke marginally more funny, at least in my head.

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

gwhite <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Kenny said:

gwhite <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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True, but in the US, the Euro one day classics are essentially unknown to the average dumbass. US
bike racing fans know differently, but for a US bike racer in Euro to appeal to a *wide* audience in
the US, the TdF is pretty much "it."

And that's where it goes wrong

No, that's where goes right.

??? why is that?

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Lemond and Armstrong are about 10 years apart. That said, Lance will probably get six on Sunday,
and he'll be the only one in 100 years to do so. So "no suprise" that riders like that are not
common.

we meet again in 10 years.

It doesn't matter in any case -- I don't personally care. It was only amusing that you said
something wouldn't happen that just has happened.

I repeat my words: not every 10 years. The same thing goes for the
Germans: a big cycling hype thanks to Ullrich. A lot of big companies
putting money in cycling, German teams... Now, Zabel is turning 34
and he is over the top, Jan ends his career in 2 years. It seems to
me they don't have anyone who can follow in their steps, not in
classic racing, not in stage racing. They have Sinkewitz and Kessler,
both good riders but no stars for whom people are going to see
cycling.
So what happens, the hype is gone and so is the money. And what's left
of German cycling?? not much cause they don't have a cycling
tradition.

So I ask you: do the US cycling world have someone who will be able of
winning 2.HC races in 4 or 5 years and who can compete in the GT's in
say 6 or 7 years (guys of 20-22 y old)?? That's my point. It's
possible two have two champions is such short amount of time, but is
it because the first was the beginning of the development of a new
sport, with an adequate youth project or is it just coincidence. if i
look back at the podia of the U23 WC since 1990, i can't find any
American youth rider
(http://www.uci.ch/modello.asp?1stlevelid=HH&level1=5&level2=0&idnews=1636)

Look at women's tennis: nowadays we have Clijsters and Henin, not
because we invest a lot in sports/tennis, not because we have
excellent youth coaches, but because it's a coincidence. Over here
everybody knows we will never have 2 players at No 1 and 2 of women's
tennis in the future.

Kenny said:

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And that's where it goes wrong

No, that's where goes right.

??? why is that?

Don't believe you are going to convince the average American, who knows nothing of bike racing, the
rightness of your views regarding one-day classics. You could be right in a perfect world -- it
doesn't matter. If anything convinces those Americans to become "better" bike racing fans, it won't
be an argument that does so. It more likely will be they got more interested *because* of the only
mainstream hook to bike racing that exists in the American media. That hook is the TdF, like it or
not.

So the TdF hook, for whatever your perceived immediate disadvantages, has at least some chance of
piquing interest in the long term. The chances for "reasoned arguments" to increase interest are
likely slim to none. And with all this said, the TdF "is what it is" -- the most internationally
important race of the Grand Tours, and probably any race.

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> Lemond and Armstrong are about 10 years apart. That said, Lance will probably get six on Sunday,
> and he'll be the only one in 100 years to do so. So "no suprise" that riders like that are not
> common.

we meet again in 10 years.

It doesn't matter in any case -- I don't personally care. It was only amusing that you said
something wouldn't happen that just has happened.

I repeat my words: not every 10 years. The same thing goes for the
Germans: a big cycling hype thanks to Ullrich. A lot of big companies
putting money in cycling, German teams... Now, Zabel is turning 34
and he is over the top, Jan ends his career in 2 years. It seems to
me they don't have anyone who can follow in their steps, not in
classic racing, not in stage racing. They have Sinkewitz and Kessler,
both good riders but no stars for whom people are going to see
cycling.
So what happens, the hype is gone and so is the money. And what's left
of German cycling?? not much cause they don't have a cycling
tradition.

So I ask you: do the US cycling world have someone who will be able of
winning 2.HC races in 4 or 5 years and who can compete in the GT's in
say 6 or 7 years (guys of 20-22 y old)?? That's my point. It's
possible two have two champions is such short amount of time, but is
it because the first was the beginning of the development of a new
sport, with an adequate youth project or is it just coincidence. if i
look back at the podia of the U23 WC since 1990, i can't find any
American youth rider
(http://www.uci.ch/modello.asp?1stlevelid=HH&level1=5&level2=0&idnews=1636)

Look at women's tennis: nowadays we have Clijsters and Henin, not
because we invest a lot in sports/tennis, not because we have
excellent youth coaches, but because it's a coincidence. Over here
everybody knows we will never have 2 players at No 1 and 2 of women's
tennis in the future.

You mistake me for someone who cares (much). If the US has some more great riders, that's nice. If
not, I am none the worse off. I really like bike racing, but there are more important things to
me. If I see a good race, I'm happy.

If the US interest in the TdF is aroused, then there is a decent pool of youngsters here to tap.
You see, the TdF is not all that bad after all, and it might just work against your 10 year idea.

gwhite <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Don't believe you are going to convince the average American, who knows nothing of bike racing, the
rightness of your views regarding one-day classics. You could be right in a perfect world -- it
doesn't matter. If anything convinces those Americans to become "better" bike racing fans, it won't
be an argument that does so. It more likely will be they got more interested *because* of the only
mainstream hook to bike racing that exists in the American media. That hook is the TdF, like it or
not.

That's what i'm affraid of. And that's why i planned to travell to
the US next year with a friend to teach people about cycling. As some
kind of cycling missionaries...
Any people here at whose place i can stay next summer?? (i'm an
excellent cook)

Kenny

"Kenny" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > That's what i'm affraid
of. And that's why i planned to travell to

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the US next year with a friend to teach people about cycling. As some
kind of cycling missionaries...

It might be a good idea to introduce yourself as Benjo Maso then. People
might have heard of his books and actually listen to you instead of thinking
you're just some kind of idiot.

"Bart Van Hoorebeeck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Kenny" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > That's what i'm affraid
of. And that's why i planned to travell to

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the US next year with a friend to teach people about cycling. As some
kind of cycling missionaries...

It might be a good idea to introduce yourself as Benjo Maso then. People
might have heard of his books and actually listen to you instead of thinking
you're just some kind of idiot.

One idiot more or less doesn't make a difference in the US, right?

Kenny

in article [email hidden], Kenny at
[email hidden] wrote on 7/27/04 11:40 PM:

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"Bart Van Hoorebeeck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Kenny" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > That's what i'm affraid
of. And that's why i planned to travell to

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the US next year with a friend to teach people about cycling. As some
kind of cycling missionaries...

It might be a good idea to introduce yourself as Benjo Maso then. People
might have heard of his books and actually listen to you instead of thinking
you're just some kind of idiot.

One idiot more or less doesn't make a difference in the US, right?

Kenny

One idiot more or less in any given situation would make a world of
difference. BUT.. my job provides me with a chance to meet people from all
walks of life on their absolute worst behavior, and I have decided I'd
rather deal with an idiot than a jackass.

-Sonarrat.

Sonarrat said:

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One idiot more or less doesn't make a difference in the US, right?

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One idiot more or less in any given situation would make a world of
difference. BUT.. my job provides me with a chance to meet people from all
walks of life on their absolute worst behavior, and I have decided I'd
rather deal with an idiot than a jackass.

You have a job compiling results for Masters 35+ bike races?

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Sonarrat said:

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One idiot more or less doesn't make a difference in the US, right?

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One idiot more or less in any given situation would make a world of
difference. BUT.. my job provides me with a chance to meet people from

all

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walks of life on their absolute worst behavior, and I have decided I'd
rather deal with an idiot than a jackass.

You have a job compiling results for Masters 35+ bike races?

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