How long do you wait?

In article 6XFnb.209419$9l5.136716@pd7tw2no said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall?

6 months or so, or when appropriate weather and a marathon to compete in are available, whichever
comes later.

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I would like to re-run my marathon - because I didn't finish it.

That's too bad. It's not a 5k race, it's a marathon. You can't screw it up and try again
the next day.

Try to be a bit more patient. You will never be a good marathon runner with the sort of hasty
mindset demonstrated above.

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I have a friend who will ride with me next week. It will be two weeks.

Tell him to bring a bodybag.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

I would give it at least a month. This is just to recover. Further I might suggest giving it a few
months, it would appear you were not ready for the marathon you wanted to run or you would have
finished so you may need more training. Of course it may just have been a bad day.

Frankly I would suggest finding a new marathon to run.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"Allan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6XFnb.209419$9l5.136716@pd7tw2no...

Quoted message said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall? I would like to
re-run my marathon - because I didn't finish it.

I have a friend who will ride with me next week. It will be two weeks.

Allan

If you ran 32 k that makes it a good long training run. Even I would rather have three weeks before
the big day. But if you're not injured and sore, and feel you could go straight back into normal
training (and start a taper) the next day, I'd say go for it. Next time, remmeber to keep feeding
yourself during the race! Jonathan "Allan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall? I would like to
re-run my marathon - because I didn't finish it.

I have a friend who will ride with me next week. It will be two weeks.

Allan

In article 6XFnb.209419$9l5.136716@pd7tw2no said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall? I would like to
re-run my marathon - because I didn't finish it.

I have a friend who will ride with me next week. It will be two weeks.

How far did you get before hitting the wall? Answerers so far seem
to be assuming that you were at mile 20, but I don't see that here.

Prior to hitting the wall, were you running on pace for your training?
i.e., not going a minute per mile faster because you 'felt good'.

How did the time to hitting the wall compare to your longest training run? How long, time and
distance, was your longest training run?

I think a reason for the great spread of durations is due in part to how people are mentally
filling in those unanswered questions about your training and race.

If you have a good training base, both for longest runs and for total mileage, and hit the wall
early because of an external (the weather, for instance), and you did so while on an easy pace
rather than full race pace, then it might be possible to go for it again in 2 weeks. I wouldn't,
but I'm conservative.

On the other hand, it could be that given your training base, you were lucky to merely hit the
wall, and will need to start with a marathon training program to give you a sound basis for
racing. 4-6 months then.

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"Allan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6XFnb.209419$9l5.136716@pd7tw2no...

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I would like to re-run my marathon

Impossible. Tempus fugit and we can never go back.

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because I didn't finish it.

Bad luck. Had you gobbled up the early portions too fast?

You demonstrate determination if not common sense. Perfect. You are already a marathoner.

Roger.

Allan said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall? I would like to
re-run my marathon - because I didn't finish it.

Not enough information. On the face of it, you should behave as if you did a very nasty, hilly
half-marathon in a hail storm. 4-5 weeks would be OK if you're not injured. But for heavens sake
tell more about the race.

Ignore the cretien, he's brain dead.

Donovan Rebbechi said:

In article 6XFnb.209419$9l5.136716@pd7tw2no said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall?

6 months or so, or when appropriate weather and a marathon to compete in are available, whichever
comes later.

Quoted message said:

I would like to re-run my marathon - because I didn't finish it.

That's too bad. It's not a 5k race, it's a marathon. You can't screw it up and try again the
next day.

Try to be a bit more patient. You will never be a good marathon runner with the sort of hasty
mindset demonstrated above.

Quoted message said:

I have a friend who will ride with me next week. It will be two weeks.

Tell him to bring a bodybag.

Cheers,

Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall?

Quoted message said:

6 months or so, or when appropriate weather and a marathon to compete in are available, whichever
comes later.

Why should this be so? What is so much harder on your body to completely run out of glycogen at 32K
and quit the race ther than to finish the marathon?

Is there something more involved? Is there some additional damage suffered apart from the quite
normal pounding of the legs during those 32K?

These are honest, straight-forward questions. I`ve never hit the wall in a marathon, but I´ve
crashed out of a long bicycle ride in a very similar fashion, with no adverse long-term effects.

Mind you, it can be much more dramatic when an elite runner hits the wall, but he is able and does
take more out of him- self than you, I or the original poster do.

Anders

Jonathan Sydenham said:

If you ran 32 k that makes it a good long training run. Even I would rather have three weeks
before the big day. But if you're not injured and sore, and feel you could go straight back into
normal training (and start a taper) the next day, I'd say go for it. Next time, remmeber to keep
feeding yourself during the race!

What a cross section of responses - 6 months to immediate. If I was the person agking the question I
would sure as hell be confused. 🙂

A word of caution on going back too quickly. You may not feel sore or may feel better a day or so
after but there are lots of little muscle tears that need time to repair. Jumping back too quickly
is the most likely time to get injured.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

In article said:

If you ran 32 k that makes it a good long training run.

Except that he probably ran it much faster than a training run. In fact if he had to pull out, he
probably ran it faster than marathon pace.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Joseph Meehan said:

I would give it at least a month. This is just to recover. Further I might suggest giving it a
few months,

...and eat lots of FOOD, no supplements.

Quoted message said:

it would appear you were not ready for the marathon you wanted to run or you would have finished so
you may need more training. Of course it may just have been a bad day.

Or maybe you just needed to cut out the supplements, and eat more food.

(Robert Grumbine) said:

Answerers

<sigh> Robert, what am I going to do with you?

The Frazzzzzzzz

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You demonstrate determination if not common sense. Perfect. You are already a marathoner.

Roger.

You demonstrate neither. You are quite adept at being stupid.

[email hidden] (Robert Grumbine) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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How far did you get before hitting the wall? Answerers so far seem
to be assuming that you were at mile 20, but I don't see that here.

It was not an assumption, but information gleaned from his post in another thread
("Pre-marathon diet?"😉.

(He also appears to have done a 30K training run *a week* before the marathon, which could well have
been a factor.)

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I think a reason for the great spread of durations is due in part to how people are mentally
filling in those unanswered questions about your training and race.

Indeed, and those assumptions are unavoidably influenced by our own "running philosophies":-)

Anders

Anders Lustig said:

Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall?

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6 months or so, or when appropriate weather and a marathon to compete in are available, whichever
comes later.

Why should this be so? What is so much harder on your body to completely run out of glycogen at
32K and quit the race ther than to finish the marathon?

Is there something more involved? Is there some additional damage suffered apart from the quite
normal pounding of the legs during those 32K?

These are honest, straight-forward questions. I`ve never hit the wall in a marathon, but I´ve
crashed out of a long bicycle ride in a very similar fashion, with no adverse long-term effects.

Normally I hang with my NY neighbor but not this time. 😉

I don't know how to discern the difference between the wall and what I call "toasted." I can
assure you there is not a muscle, organ or slice of gray matter that does not feel like it has
been pummeled.

Anyway I find six months extreme overkill unless there are some severe psychological problems or
suffered some nasty hospital time(more than an IV). Like Anders I don't see the rationale for
six months.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

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Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How long should a person wait to run another marathon after they hit the wall?

Quoted message said:

6 months or so, or when appropriate weather and a marathon to compete in are available, whichever
comes later.

Why should this be so? What is so much harder on your body to completely run out of glycogen at
32K and quit the race ther than to finish the marathon?

It's no harder.

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Is there something more involved? Is there some additional damage suffered apart from the quite
normal pounding of the legs during those 32K?

What I'm saying is that I don't think it's a good idea to compete in races of this duration
frequently, whether or not you "hit the wall".

Maybe 6 months is longer than necessary, but it's better IMO to err in that direction. I think one
could make a case for running another one in a month in that you could probably recover in that
amount of time, but you wouldn't be able to do any more preparation.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

In article said:

Jonathan Sydenham said:

If you ran 32 k that makes it a good long training run. Even I would rather have three weeks
before the big day. But if you're not injured and sore, and feel you could go straight back into
normal training (and start a taper) the next day, I'd say go for it. Next time, remmeber to keep
feeding yourself during the race!

What a cross section of responses - 6 months to immediate. If I was the person agking the question
I would sure as hell be confused. 🙂

Right, the time needed to recover properly would probably be about a month (which is what appears to
have been suggested)

If he wants to be adequately prepared for his next race though, he will need more than a month. How
many elites run a marathon within one month of doing another marathon ?

Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

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In article <[email hidden]>, Jonathan

Sydenham said:

Quoted message said:

If you ran 32 k that makes it a good long training run.

Except that he probably ran it much faster than a training run. In fact if he had to pull out, he
probably ran it faster than marathon pace.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Donovan Rebbechi said:

In article said:

If you ran 32 k that makes it a good long training run.

Except that he probably ran it much faster than a training run. In fact if he had to pull out, he
probably ran it faster than marathon pace.

Of course he did, or he wouldn't of crashed and burned. It cannot be considered a training run if he
ran hard enough to crash.