Hit gravel, broke leg

[Edward Dolan]

"Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
>> I don't think you should let his posts ruin anything. If he insists on
>> being foul-tempered and insulting anyone that doesn't agree with him,
>> then people will stop listening.
>
> Yup. He's in the Bozo Bin on my newsreader, it marks anything by him as
> read and I only read unread posts. I occasionally get some second hand in
> quotes from others replying to him, and even more occasionally haul up the
> original to point out it's bollocks, but he basically doesn't bother me
> because I ignore him.
>
>> to him that he develop some manners. There will come a point (probably
>> pretty soon) where he either decides to try "playing nice with us other
>> kiddies"
>
> No evidence I've seen that he'll grow a brain or any sense of manners.
>
>> I have no bad thoughts about you or people from the UK in general. I
>> think anyone that goes 70 MPH on a trike might be taking their life into
>> their hands but that doesn't make them bad people.
>
> Of course they're taking their life in their hands. Not a problem if
> they've got steady hands though... I take mine in my hands every time I go
> and mix it with motor traffic, including when I'm in the car, or on foot.
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

But who in his right mind is going to listen to anything a Medical Physics
IT Officer (whatever the hell that is) has to say. I have never seen a more
ridiculous signature in my life. It cheers me up and makes me laugh every
time I see it. I hereby charge Peter Clinch of England (or is he a Scot) as
being a numskull of the first rank. Only a Brit could do something this
stupid on a recumbent bicycle newsgroup.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> On 06/12/2005 08:36:47 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Buck is a guy from the UK who used to call himself Ian. He has been
>> > around here forever and I know him well. I don't know why he keeps
>> > changing his user name. We dislike one another intensely, but frankly
>> > I
>> > have yet to encounter a Brit who was worth talking to.
>>
>> I changed my tag on here to my last name, because of the plethora of
>> posters on newsgroups called Ian, often with a following initial, made
>> sense to me to go with my surname.
>>
>> I do not dislike Ed on any personal level, just his trolling, he at
>> times ruins the group for everyone, it is sad that he has to be so
>> selfish at times.
>
> He's not selfish, he just wants to be part of the conversation and be
> considered an expert on it even when he knows nothing about the current
> subject

Well, at least I know something about punctuation which is more than you
know!

> it's easy to pick these things out from his current postings, at least
> he's
> talking about recumbents unlike a few months ago, I still think not only
> does he not own a recumbent but has never owned one

I still think Mark Leuck is capable of mastering the difficult art of
English punctuation if he would only put his brain into gear.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Jeff Grippe]

Ed,

I know you think of yourself as witty, insightful, colorful, charming, etc.

Have you noticed that not one single person has agreed with you? If that
doesn't matter and you are only out to please yourself then may I recommend
mechanical manipulation (Is that the lowest key fu you've ever seen?) Your
endless tirades against those you don't like or who happen to disagree with
you are boring.

As far as your inference that I somehow have "newbie" status, its cute but
inaccurate. My message posting goes all the way back to bbs days long before
anyone ever heard of an internet. Regarding your advice to "Lighten up",
good advice, I would like you to consider it yourself.

Happy posting,

Jeff

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Not sure what Jeff is talking about here? It goes without saying that I am
> witty, insightfull, colorful, charming, etc. That is a given considering
> the plodding dullards that infest this group with their two cents worth of
> nonsense and their total lack of wit, insight, color, charm, etc. I am
> going to have to think of Jeff as Jeff the Earnest. I wonder why he is so
> serious? Does he actually think newsgroups have a purpose in life?
>

Ok, I give up. This is my last post about Ed Dolan. He appears to be
impervious to politeness, logic, and even (albiet gentle) insults. So I give
up. The Ed Dolan topic wasn't really interesting and most of you already
knew I wasn't going to get anywhere. So we have reached the end (although I
don't doubt that this message will get a response from Ed. His favorite
subject isn't really us so called "plodding dullards" but rather Ed Dolan)

Ed, you have won again. Enjoy your victory. It has become clear to me that I
will never be half the person you are (and aren't I glad of that!). Your
intuitive grasp of all that is correct and proper humbles my clearly
unenlightened world view. May you bask in the glory of your victory.

> Therefore, no matter how many years he has been hanging around the
> Internet, he is acting like a newbie.

And in my heart may I be .... forever young...

Jeff

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Not sure what Jeff is talking about here? It goes without saying that I
>> am witty, insightfull, colorful, charming, etc. That is a given
>> considering the plodding dullards that infest this group with their two
>> cents worth of nonsense and their total lack of wit, insight, color,
>> charm, etc. I am going to have to think of Jeff as Jeff the Earnest. I
>> wonder why he is so serious? Does he actually think newsgroups have a
>> purpose in life?
>>
>
> Ok, I give up. This is my last post about Ed Dolan. He appears to be
> impervious to politeness, logic, and even (albiet gentle) insults. So I
> give up. The Ed Dolan topic wasn't really interesting and most of you
> already knew I wasn't going to get anywhere. So we have reached the end
> (although I don't doubt that this message will get a response from Ed. His
> favorite subject isn't really us so called "plodding dullards" but rather
> Ed Dolan)

All you would ever have to do is to post in proper form, but since you
refuse to do that (except this once) I cannot in good conscience accord you
much respect. You are not playing the game of newsgroup fair. You seem like
a good fellow, but you have to learn the rules and play by them. Did you not
ever spend any time on a kindergarten playground with the other kids when
you were a squirt?

> Ed, you have won again. Enjoy your victory. It has become clear to me
that I
> will never be half the person you are (and aren't I glad of that!). Your
> intuitive grasp of all that is correct and proper humbles my clearly
> unenlightened world view. May you bask in the glory of your victory.

I only enjoy the play of words and intellect. What else is there in life?

>> Therefore, no matter how many years he has been hanging around the
>> Internet, he is acting like a newbie.
>
> And in my heart may I be .... forever young...

Please review the rules of proper posting by Google on their website. You
will see that they make immense sense and that everyone should follow the
rules for the sake of all. Usenet is not email - or did I already say that
once or twice.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. Jeff did bottom post properly this once, so progress is being made. But
he would still have to work on his editing to get up to speed.

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> PS. Jeff did bottom post properly this once, so progress is being made.
> But he would still have to work on his editing to get up to speed.
>

And I said my last post would be my last on this topic. Oh well, I've always
known I'm a liar.

So its form over content eh? This has always been my problem in life. Here I
thought it was the content that was important. Little did I know that the
good folks at Google have provided a set of style guidelines that must be
followed under all circumstances.

Just to make sure that I understand things correctly, It would be perfectly
ok to say something like "You are a complete and utter asshole" as long as I
format the message correctly and properly quote the section of your message
that made me draw that conclusion.

Y'know I've never really been good at following rules that appear to put
form over function. I hate black tie weddings (I only threw that in because
I have to go to one this summer). I love stream of consciousness (hence the
reference to my summer schedule in the middle of a bicycle newsgroup).

Well I'm not going to look at the Google rules because I know myself well
enough to know I won't be following them anyway. I guess you'll just have to
figure out what I'm talking about if I don't do the quote thing correctly.

Y'know I'll bet there's a ton of newsgroup readers out there who have put me
on their blocked senders list for using bad form. What can I say. Form has
never been my strong suit (with the exception of Haiku which I really like.
There I go free-associating again).

Finally coming back to something relevant to what I quoted above, Progress
is an illusion. When you say that I'm making progress, you assume that I am
actually trying to get somewhere that you think it would be valuable for me
to get to. Nothing could be further from the truth. But if it helps you to
feel that you are molding this individual into a proper poster then feel
free. From my point of view, I am doing on this newsgroup what I do on my
bike, which is what I do in my life, spinning my wheels.

I close with a salutation that in all seriousness is not intended to be the
least bit sarcastic...

I wish you many happy trails, Ed.

Jeff

 

[Peter Clinch]

Jeff Grippe wrote:

> Well I'm not going to look at the Google rules because I know myself well
> enough to know I won't be following them anyway.

a.r.b.r is a Usenet newsgroup, it doesn't have any connection to Google.
Google can be used to access it, but like all web front ends to Usenet
it's pretty well braindead. Get yourself access through a service
provider's News service (news.individual.net is a good one), and a
proper newsreader. Aside from anything else it's far more configurable,
so very easy to put Ed on a Bozo Bin list where he clearly belongs.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

 

[Slugger]

In article <[email protected]>, Jeff Grippe
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > a.r.b.r is a Usenet newsgroup, it doesn't have any connection to Google.
> > Google can be used to access it, but like all web front ends to Usenet
> > it's pretty well braindead. Get yourself access through a service
> > provider's News service (news.individual.net is a good one), and a proper
> > newsreader. Aside from anything else it's far more configurable, so very
> > easy to put Ed on a Bozo Bin list where he clearly belongs.
>
> I know its a usenet group. I access groups using supernews as a provider and
> I use outlook express as a client. It isn't the best news reader but since I
> use it for email as well it leaves me one few app to run.
>
> I don't want Ed on the Bozo Bin. I already understand that he is both
> opinionated and rude (at times). I can simply ignore his posts where he is
> just ranting. I just figured I'd take a shot at turning him into some with
> manners. It didn't work. Oh well, that's life. Thanks for trying to help.
>
> Jeff
>
>

I think he was bullied as a kid and is now making up for it by trolling
on this board.

Content over form. Jeff could teach dolan a thing or two.

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> PS. Jeff did bottom post properly this once, so progress is being made.
>> But he would still have to work on his editing to get up to speed.
>>
>
> And I said my last post would be my last on this topic. Oh well, I've
> always known I'm a liar.
>
> So its form over content eh? This has always been my problem in life. Here
> I thought it was the content that was important. Little did I know that
> the good folks at Google have provided a set of style guidelines that must
> be followed under all circumstances.
>
> Just to make sure that I understand things correctly, It would be
> perfectly ok to say something like "You are a complete and utter asshole"
> as long as I format the message correctly and properly quote the section
> of your message that made me draw that conclusion.

YES! You have finally got it. Now we are starting to get somewhere! Form is
equally as important as content. It is an indication of fair play and
respect for your correspondent and for the unknown readers of the message.
The latter is always upper most in my mind. Usenet is NOT email!

> Y'know I've never really been good at following rules that appear to put
> form over function. I hate black tie weddings (I only threw that in
> because I have to go to one this summer). I love stream of consciousness
> (hence the reference to my summer schedule in the middle of a bicycle
> newsgroup).

A formal wedding is something you will remember all your life. I sometimes
think the formalties matter more than anything else in the end. It is what
gives some dignity to the human condition.

> Well I'm not going to look at the Google rules because I know myself well
> enough to know I won't be following them anyway. I guess you'll just have
> to figure out what I'm talking about if I don't do the quote thing
> correctly.

The rules are very simple and can be learned in 15 minutes. They are just
based on good manners and common sense.

> Y'know I'll bet there's a ton of newsgroup readers out there who have put
> me on their blocked senders list for using bad form. What can I say. Form
> has never been my strong suit (with the exception of Haiku which I really
> like. There I go free-associating again).

It is an honor to be placed on many kill file lists since newsgroups are
just chock full of idiots and scoundrels. I am an expert on this subject.

> Finally coming back to something relevant to what I quoted above, Progress
> is an illusion. When you say that I'm making progress, you assume that I
> am actually trying to get somewhere that you think it would be valuable
> for me to get to. Nothing could be further from the truth. But if it helps
> you to feel that you are molding this individual into a proper poster then
> feel free. From my point of view, I am doing on this newsgroup what I do
> on my bike, which is what I do in my life, spinning my wheels.

It is not fair to me when you do not quote my message to which you are
responding. Moreover, it is not fair to the reader either. Form is extremely
important in the interest of fairness if nothing else.

Note how I have always treated you fair. I bottom post and I leave your
messages complete. That way I leave it to the reader to draw his own
conclusions about what is being said without any bias. I am not just writing
to you, I am writing to a universe of unknown readers which I respect. You
should do the same. That is what good form is all about.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> a.r.b.r is a Usenet newsgroup, it doesn't have any connection to Google.
>> Google can be used to access it, but like all web front ends to Usenet
>> it's pretty well braindead. Get yourself access through a service
>> provider's News service (news.individual.net is a good one), and a proper
>> newsreader. Aside from anything else it's far more configurable, so very
>> easy to put Ed on a Bozo Bin list where he clearly belongs.
>
> I know its a usenet group. I access groups using supernews as a provider
> and I use outlook express as a client. It isn't the best news reader but
> since I use it for email as well it leaves me one few app to run.

Why not just use the Outlook Express newsreader? What do you need supernews
for?

> I don't want Ed on the Bozo Bin. I already understand that he is both
> opinionated and rude (at times). I can simply ignore his posts where he is
> just ranting. I just figured I'd take a shot at turning him into some with
> manners. It didn't work. Oh well, that's life. Thanks for trying to help.
>
> Jeff

You might want to think twice before you hook up with Peter Clinch of
Dundee, Scotland. He is a nasty customer for sure and is always advising
others to kill file me, as if they can't make up their own minds. I never
give Peter any respect at all because of his idiotic signature. He is a
typical subject of the UK, a dunderhead who is as thick as they come. You
will find him about as interesting as a dead skunk - and about as helpful
too.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Slugger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:150620052012161355%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Jeff Grippe
> <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
>> I don't want Ed on the Bozo Bin. I already understand that he is both
>> opinionated and rude (at times). I can simply ignore his posts where he
>> is
>> just ranting. I just figured I'd take a shot at turning him into some
>> with
>> manners. It didn't work. Oh well, that's life. Thanks for trying to help.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>
> I think he was bullied as a kid and is now making up for it by trolling
> on this board.
>
> Content over form. Jeff could teach dolan a thing or two.

dolan should be Dolan.

I would a thousand times rather read an interesting and amusing troll than a
dullard like Slugger. He has never yet said a single thing that has
interested me (except for once about computers). All he knows how to do is
to call names and cast aspersions. It is a good thing I am not easily
offended or I would have to retaliate by calling him a few choice names. But
I am also a Saint in addition to being a smart troll and so am above all
that low brow stuff. A redneck I never was.

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows (formerly Order of the
Perpetual Miseries) - Minnesota

 

[Buck]

On 06/16/2005 08:34:09 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:


> dolan should be Dolan.

Ed is Parsifal

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Why not just use the Outlook Express newsreader? What do you need
> supernews for?

Sheesh and you call me a newbie!

I said supernews is my provider and oe is my newsreader. My ISP doesn't
provide a news feed so I have to pay supernews a fee to give me access to
you. Something doesn't seem right about this. I'm paying for this? Now who's
the idiot (hint, its me). Anyway I do use oe as my news reader as I said in
my post but without paying supernews each month I wouldn't have the ability
to tell you so.

Jeff

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Why not just use the Outlook Express newsreader? What do you need
>> supernews for?
>
> Sheesh and you call me a newbie!
>
> I said supernews is my provider and oe is my newsreader. My ISP doesn't
> provide a news feed so I have to pay supernews a fee to give me access to
> you. Something doesn't seem right about this. I'm paying for this? Now
> who's the idiot (hint, its me). Anyway I do use oe as my news reader as I
> said in my post but without paying supernews each month I wouldn't have
> the ability to tell you so.
>
> Jeff

I guess the difference then is that my ISP is providing me with the ability
to post to newsgroups. I thought OE worked in both directions, but
apparently not. As far as I know there is no extra charge for this service.
It is just part of my ISP hook up, same as email.

I don't believe I would ever want to pay anything extra just so I could
post. I wonder - do most folks have to pay extra to post? Or are there news
feed providers that are free to use? I think some here on ARBR are using a
free service from the University of Berlin. Why pay if you can get one for
free?

Slugger, who is a computer guru, would know the answers to all these
esoteric queries of mine, but I have alienated him and he will no longer
speak to me except to insult me and cast aspersions on my character. The lot
of a troll is not a happy one.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> On 06/16/2005 08:34:09 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> dolan should be Dolan.
>
> Ed is Parsifal

Wagner's Parsifal represents the very worst of the German character. It is
long winded and self important in the extreme. I would rather sit though the
entire Der Ring des Nibelungen and put up with the Gods of Valhalla than to
have to sit through Parsifal and put up with all that nonsense about the
Holy Grail. Wagner was a genius, but a very long winded one. I sometimes
think you have to be German to truly appreciate him.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I don't believe I would ever want to pay anything extra just so I could
> post. I wonder - do most folks have to pay extra to post? Or are there
> news feed providers that are free to use? I think some here on ARBR are
> using a free service from the University of Berlin. Why pay if you can get
> one for free?
>

Many, but not all ISP's provide a newsfeed. If your ISP doesn't and if you
want usenet then you must pay someone to provide it for you. Either that or
switch ISPs.

 

[Dave Larrington]

Edward Dolan wrote:


> I don't believe I would ever want to pay anything extra just so I
> could post. I wonder - do most folks have to pay extra to post? Or
> are there news feed providers that are free to use? I think some
> here on ARBR are using a free service from the University of Berlin.
> Why pay if you can get one for free?

news.individual.net - aka the Berlin server - is no longer free, but as they
now only charge ten Euros a year, most people I know who have been using
them have stayed. A handful have switched to a free one in Poland, whose
name escapes me.

A Several are listed here:

<url: http://www.newsservers.net/FreeNewsServers.htm> though as that doesn't
mention that news.individual.net is now charging, it may be a touch out of
date.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
They came for Eamonn Holmes; I think I'm right in saying that I
applauded.

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> YES! You have finally got it. Now we are starting to get somewhere! Form
> is equally as important as content.

Eddie baby this is a topic I can really sink my teeth into. It doesn't
belong on a cycling group but here we are so I'll go with it.

Generally things are context dependent. Sometimes form is less important
than content, sometimes equal, and sometimes form is more important.

I think you are tending to see things a little to black and white. No rule
applies in all cases (such as "Form is equally as important as content")

Rudeness and ethnic slurs have no place here regardless of how correct your
form is. In this context form is somewhat less important. People who have
been following a thread can generally figure out what you are talking about.
It isn't really necessary to quote everything everytime.

You are seeing rules as too absolute and applying to all contexts.

When you say nasty things about people it doesn't matter (to me) that you
said it using correct form.

>
> A formal wedding is something you will remember all your life. I sometimes
> think the formalties matter more than anything else in the end. It is what
> gives some dignity to the human condition.
>

I think this is a decision I am capable of making for myself thank you very
much. I come from a family that loves black tie wedding so I've been to many
and can look forward to more. I hate them. Give me a pool party any day.
Dignity is a made up concept. If formal events make you feel dignified then
enjoy them. To me it feels like lipstick on a pig (yes I know I just called
myself a pig but I'm not really bothered by it. Its just another made up
concept.)

>
> It is not fair to me when you do not quote my message to which you are
> responding. Moreover, it is not fair to the reader either. Form is
> extremely important in the interest of fairness if nothing else.
>
> Note how I have always treated you fair. I bottom post and I leave your
> messages complete.

Well you say that fairness is in the form and I say it is in the content.
The last thing I would label you is fair. You have a set of fixed and rather
rigid opinions that aren't open for discussion. If I present you correctly
then I would say it isn't fair for you to be posting here at all. Why engage
in a discussion when you don't really want to discuss? If all you want to do
is present the "Ed Dolan Guide to Cycling and Life" then put up a website
and those who are interested can go there and read all about it. If on the
other hand you are going to participate in an online discussion then you
should (I think) be open to being moved by what others are saying. Under no
circumstances (IMHO) should you answer with insults or ethnic slurs. You do
this a bit too often to just write it off as being witty.

I'm Polish and I love Pollack jokes. I tell them and hear them with abandon.
It is clear that they are jokes and nobody ever feels insulted. You, on the
other hand, resort to insults and rudeness too often to just call it wit.
Nobody (with the possible exception of you) finds it witty.

So we have some quite far from "Hit gravel, broke leg" but here we are.

Regards,
Jeff

 

[Zenin]

Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
> I guess the difference then is that my ISP is providing me with the
> ability to post to newsgroups. I thought OE worked in both directions, but
> apparently not. As far as I know there is no extra charge for this
> service. It is just part of my ISP hook up, same as email.

Before Google Groups/Deja News, most all ISPs did provide a local news
server for their customers. But maintaining a quality news server is a
very expensive task. Most ISPs still provide a news server, the quality
of such servers is typically very low. By low I mean they don't have a
very long article retention time, are slow to adopt new groups, don't
have very good peers so they miss articles often, don't have or keep
updated spam cancelation systems, slow, etc.

Usenet is the #1 reason I got on the Internet back in the late 80s,
before web et al was around. Today it still is (although online gaming
is a close 2nd . My case is a bit unique; I don't use my ISP for
anything beyond a raw connection, as I maintain my own email server and
such at a colo. For me, paying $10/month for a news feed of quality far
higher then any generic ISP is likely to offer is trivial.

> I don't believe I would ever want to pay anything extra just so I could
> post. I wonder - do most folks have to pay extra to post? Or are there
> news feed providers that are free to use? I think some here on ARBR are
> using a free service from the University of Berlin. Why pay if you can get
> one for free?

Most people use their ISP's offering, either not knowing there's better
available or not using Usenet enough to care. Or they use Google Groups
(previously Deja News), which is basically a web client and a set of
very well maintained news servers. -Personally I need a real NNTP feed,
so a web interface of any kind won't cut it.

So far as using UoB's feed or such, again not all news servers are
created equal. UoB's server btw might be top notch and free...but I'm
on the other side of the planet from Berlin so more then likely it would
be far too slow for me to access usefully.

-Zenin

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Zenin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Most people use their ISP's offering, either not knowing there's better
> available or not using Usenet enough to care. Or they use Google
> Groups
> (previously Deja News), which is basically a web client and a set of
> very well maintained news servers. -Personally I need a real NNTP feed,
> so a web interface of any kind won't cut it.

I suspect you are out of the ordinary when it comes to using newsgroups.
Most of us are just occasional users and do not follow more than one or two
newsgroups. I have found OE in connection with my ISP to be perfectly
adequate and have no complaints whatsoever. I used to use the Google website
and I sure do agree with you that it was slow. However, the Google website
also worked very well once you got it figured out. But my OE is just more
convenient and works much quicker for me.

> So far as using UoB's feed or such, again not all news servers are
> created equal. UoB's server btw might be top notch and free...but I'm
> on the other side of the planet from Berlin so more then likely it
> would
> be far too slow for me to access usefully.

I have often wondered about that too. Berlin is a long ways from the US.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota