Hit gravel, broke leg

[Edward Dolan]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> On 06/09/2005 14:07:09 "Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
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>>> Jeff, it is the Dolan way, he has no life to speak of so he comes on
>>> here
>>> and trolls.
>
>> Maybe so but don't stoop to that level yourself. It is exactly because
>> of
>> the insulting posts that I stopped wishing I didn't actually agree with
>> him. Just tell me your opinion/experience (about trikes not Dolan).
>
> Dolan is one of the reasons I have not visited this group for about a
> year,
> between him and another poster the group had fallen into foolishness.

Yet Buck can come onto this group and voice his opinions about tadpoles and
Catrikes and nary a word is said in opposition. The trouble with Buck and
all his ilk is that they cannot take disagreement.

I do not much like tadpoles and I rather do like deltas. That is the essence
of our disagreement. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. I have told you
why I do not like tadpoles (too much pedal steer) and why I like deltas
(only one wheel up front that needs to be steered). What could be more fair
than that? The only one getting personal here is Buck.

The fact that Buck can even compare me with that other troll shows what a
poltroon he is. The other troll was a criminal vandal whereas I am the most
friendly law abiding troll in the entire universe.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
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> One of the greatest things about trikes, other than the Kett Weisel which,
> with one wheel drive in delta configuration, and lwb suffers wheel hop on
> steep slow hills.

The above is not a complete sentence. Best to slow down when you know Ed
Dolan the Great is reading you.

There are also a few other disadvantages of one wheel rear drive, but the
best thing that can be said about a delta is that they handle like a
bicycle, not like a cart vehicle. The steering is on one wheel up front
thereby keeping the entire design simple and logical. I can't think of a
single advantage to having two wheels up front, other than making for a
shorter trike for transportation purposes. But that is all that any SWB has
going for it - they are easier to transport.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I had a Sun EZ-3AL. It was my first trike. There were a number of things I
> didn't like about it. This thing, like many deltas, had two rear wheels
> but only one was driven by the transmission. It was constantly pulling to
> one side. I hated it. I also didn't like having the widest part of the
> trike behind me. It was something I hadn't even considered when I bought
> it.

Jeff, I have never heard that before about the trike pulling to one side
because of the drive being on only one side. Very mysterious!

The two wheels being behind you should not be a problem as that is where
they should be. Trikes are really not that much wider than bikes and it
should quickly become second nature just how much space is required for
clearing obstacles.

> On the other hand it was easy to get into and out of. It was basically fun
> to ride. The long wheelbase smoothed out the ride considerably.

LWB is the secret to ALL recumbents, whether trikes or bikes.

> On the third hand, Sun Bicycles did not deal honorably with me or my bike
> shop. I ordered an EZ-3 AX from my bike shop. The shop ordered an EX-3 AX
> from Sun. Sun shipped them an EZ-3 AL (a 2003 model) without telling them.
> Ultimately there was a $150 credit given but the whole thing left a bad
> taste in my mouth.
>
> On the forth hand it was a very reasonable trike for the money.

The main complaint I have heard about the EZ-3 line of trikes is that they
are heavy, but this is not as bad as it may at first seem. Really light
trikes can be a problem. The lighter they are the more the chance of pedal
steer. A heavier trike will prevent this and give you a more solid ride. I
have the Kett Wiesel which is pretty light and I also have the Coos Bay
Flyer which is heavy. I do notice ever so slightly a bit of pedal steer on
the former and none whatsoever on the latter. The Coos Bay Flyer goes like
it is on rails. I attribute this not only to it's very long length, but also
to it's being rather heavy (50 lb.).

The Coos Bay Flyer was designed by Don Harse of Oregon and Bart Hiatt of
Cleveland.These guys were the experts on deltas and kew what they were
doing. Some of you who think tadpoles are where it is at should do some
research and maybe learn a thing or two. The Coos Bay Flyer later evolved
into the Comfort Cycle and is still around today as the Penninger Traveler I
believe.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Jeff, it is the Dolan way, he has no life to speak of so he comes on here
>> and trolls.

I can't figure out why anyone should say I do not have a life. Posting here
to ARBR is a fun thing to do. That is the one and only reason I do it. Why
does Buck post here I wonder?

> Maybe so but don't stoop to that level yourself. It is exactly because of
> the insulting posts that I stopped wishing I didn't actually agree with
> him. Just tell me your opinion/experience (about trikes not Dolan).

I only stoop in order to get on the same level as my correspondents such as
Buck. If I didn't stoop, it would go right over his head.

UK cyclists are in a class by themselves. They are pigheaded and cannot
brook disagreement. They are the first to become unpleasant and then cry
like babies when you become unpleasant back at them. The only groups worse
than the UK are the Canadians and the Australians The latter is especially
the pits. They are into nothing but obscenities and when you are obscene
back at them they take a holier than thou attitude and cry foul, i.e., if
they are not otherwise acting like criminals.

Newsgroups are full of idiots and scoundrels. ARBR is no exception, but not
as bad as some others. I attribute this to our being an older age group.
Many on this group are ready for the grave. And thank God we do not have any
stupid women cluttering up this group like some others. We are fortunate
indeed!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

PS. And some accuse me of being a troll!

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Jeff, I have never heard that before about the trike pulling to one side
> because of the drive being on only one side. Very mysterious!
>

The pulling to one side was so pronounced that after riding it home from the
bike shop, I took it back convinced that they had put it together wrong. The
mechanic went over everything and then we noticed the "one sided" drive. He
asked me if the problem occurs when I pedal as opposed to when I coast. I
took it back out in the parking lot and the mystery was solved. During the
few months that I owned it I found it most annoying.

> The two wheels being behind you should not be a problem as that is where
> they should be. Trikes are really not that much wider than bikes and it
> should quickly become second nature just how much space is required for
> clearing obstacles.
>

This is clearly a matter of taste. Having now owned both I prefer the
tadpole. I'm still thinking I would like to try a quad and just for a laugh
I'd like to try the tadpole that has rear wheel steering although I wouldn't
want to be going very fast when I corner.

Jeff

 

[Jeff Grippe]

Frankly Ed, it seems to me that you are everything that you accuse other of
being. So much for my attempt to tone down the conversation.

Write whatever you want. If you believe that there is a right way and a
wrong way to do something then who am I to tell you differently. If you want
to walk up hills then walk up hills. If you like deltas then ride deltas.

Should you happen to want to carry on a conversation and actually have other
people listen to your point of view then it is better not to insult them
(like I did in the first sentence of this message, now that's ironic!)

I don't have a problem with people liking what they like and being fixed in
their position. I just have a problem with them labeling everyone that
doesn't agree with them as stupid, or thick-headed, or whatever words you
actually used.

As I said before I find myself in basic agreement with your ideas about
trikes and speed but not wanting to listen to you because of you caustic
tone.

One of the best lessons I was ever taught was "The meaning of a
communication is the response that you get back". So if people are
responding to you with hostility it isn't "just them".

Best of luck to you and may you enjoy many miles of care-free triking.

Jeff

 

[___________]

Thanks for reminding me. I got a new laptop and hadn't plonked Ed Dolan
yet.

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"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>>
>>> Fun yes! I wouldn't give up my trikes for anything BUT they are not
>>> stable at high speed (at least not the one's I've had a chance to ride
>>> at high speed).
>>
>> The Windcheetah used for the Lands End to John o'Groats distance record
>> in the UK was clocked at around 70 mph on some of the big descents on the
>> course (it was fully faired, btw). No reports of particular instability
>> AFAIK.
>>
>>> I learned this the hard way. I was going down a hill that would have
>>> been nothing on a bike. The road was rough but nothing you would avoid.
>>> I was going 25 MPH by the time I decided that I didn't like the way the
>>> trike was handling. That is also the moment when I discovered that the
>>> effect of brake-steer is magnified at high speed.
>>
>> Folk regularly do *much* more than that on trikes, so it clearly isn't
>> intrinsic to trikes, period. Same thing with brake steer: it'll very
>> much be implementation dependent.
>>
>> Pete.
>
> Hang in there Jeff. You are right and Peter is wrong, as he is about most
> everything. The fact is trikes are hard to handle at speed due to pedal
> steer and brake steer can be problem too. Go with your own experience and
> do not listen to those UK nuts. A two wheeler will always handle much
> better at speed than any three wheeler, but trikes are OK provided you
> keep your speed reasonable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
[...]
>> The two wheels being behind you should not be a problem as that is where
>> they should be. Trikes are really not that much wider than bikes and it
>> should quickly become second nature just how much space is required for
>> clearing obstacles.
>>
>
> This is clearly a matter of taste. Having now owned both I prefer the
> tadpole. I'm still thinking I would like to try a quad and just for a
> laugh I'd like to try the tadpole that has rear wheel steering although I
> wouldn't want to be going very fast when I corner.

All bike and trike designs have been around for many generations now and
they have either proven their worth or they have been discarded. There is
nothing new under the sun when it comes to bikes and trikes.

Front wheel drive and rear wheel steering have been tried and found wanting.
Save yourself some grief and forget about them. I predict someday that all
SWB will likewise be consigned to the scrap heap of history. The only reason
they are still around is because folks want something they can easily
transport.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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It would be better to incude my message and then bottom post as others may
be following this thread besides just you and me.

> Frankly Ed, it seems to me that you are everything that you accuse other
> of being. So much for my attempt to tone down the conversation.
>
> Write whatever you want. If you believe that there is a right way and a
> wrong way to do something then who am I to tell you differently. If you
> want to walk up hills then walk up hills. If you like deltas then ride
> deltas.

Not all ideas are equal and not everything is a matter of opinion and/or
experience. That is the easy way out of an argument. I take the views I do
because I believe I am right and others are wrong.

> Should you happen to want to carry on a conversation and actually have
> other people listen to your point of view then it is better not to insult
> them (like I did in the first sentence of this message, now that's
> ironic!)
>
> I don't have a problem with people liking what they like and being fixed
> in their position. I just have a problem with them labeling everyone that
> doesn't agree with them as stupid, or thick-headed, or whatever words you
> actually used.

I have had many years experience with the trike nuts and screwballs in the
UK. I treat them the way they treat others, only I beat them to the punch.

> As I said before I find myself in basic agreement with your ideas about
> trikes and speed but not wanting to listen to you because of you caustic
> tone.

My caustic tone is the most interesting and charming thing about me. Too bad
you are unable to appreciate me. I think it comes from taking newsgroups
entirely too seriously. After all, there is no one here but us fools.

> One of the best lessons I was ever taught was "The meaning of a
> communication is the response that you get back". So if people are
> responding to you with hostility it isn't "just them".

A hostile response indicates to me that I have been read. That is my one and
only reason for posting to a newsgroup in the first place. It is really sad
to see how so many others post and they are dead in the water. No responses
at all! That is not for me. That is why I call myself Great. I insist upon a
response and I know how to get one - and who cares whether it is hostile or
not.

> Best of luck to you and may you enjoy many miles of care-free triking.

Well, yes, but I enjoy posting to ARBR too!

Your Friendly Neighborhood Troll,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"___________" <__@____.___> wrote in message
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> Thanks for reminding me. I got a new laptop and hadn't plonked Ed Dolan
> yet.

Anyone on ARBR want to discuss anything with Mr. Blank? I thought not!
Surely his brain is as vacuous as his address and his signature.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Not all ideas are equal and not everything is a matter of opinion and/or
> experience. That is the easy way out of an argument. I take the views I
> do because I believe I am right and others are wrong.

I agree but what type of bike/trike you prefer is a matter of opinion and/or
experience. I test rode the Kett and hated it. The same day I test rode
Greenspeed, Wizwheelz, Trice, Catrike, another delta whose name I can't
remember and Sun. I ended up buying the Sun because it was the lowest
investment and I wasn't sure I was going to stick with trikes. The
Greenspeed was far and away my favorite although I wasn't ready to commit
big $$$'s to trikes until I was sure.

I finally learned that I loved trikes, don't like deltas, and prefer
tadpoles. Everything you've said about deltas and tadpoles may be correct
(although I don't conceed that point by any stretch) but the fact is I still
prefer tadpoles. I've tried both and I have a clear preference. You can't
argue with my preference and I can't argue with yours nor will I attempt to.
I'm not telling you that you should embrace tadpoles. I just don't think
that you should label everyone who enjoys them idiots.

I told Buck that he shouldn't waste his breath insulting you and I'm telling
you the same thing. Yes you are getting read but we could be talking about
trikes and riding and not whose opinion is correct.

I don't feel safe riding any trike at speeds above 25 MPH. I don't feel safe
and I've already flipped one because I couldn't control it at high speed.
Anyone who wants to ride one at 70 MPH should feel free. I won't. I like
long slow rides and my big heavy trike is perfect for that. I don't mind the
extra effort it takes to propel the trike as I need to lose a few (well many
few actually) pounds. I don't mind dropping it into low gear and crawling up
the hills. Walking a bike up a hill wasn't bad but walking a trike anywhere
is awful. I'll ride thank you.

>
> My caustic tone is the most interesting and charming thing about me. Too
> bad you are unable to appreciate me. I think it comes from taking
> newsgroups entirely too seriously. After all, there is no one here but us
> fools.
>

A little bit makes you interesting and charming. A lot makes you quite the
opposite. I don't have a problem with you seeing us as fools and I would
agree. So on that basis, lighten up. I get it. You and UK boys don't see
I2I. So enough with the back and forth about it.

> Well, yes, but I enjoy posting to ARBR too!
> Your Friendly Neighborhood Troll,
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Well post away then but lets see if we can cover some new ground. You like
deltas. You think they are better. Others like tadpoles. The two of you
don't agree. I think that trike can't achieve stability at high speed
because of the basic design.

I'd still like to hear an opinion (from someone who has experience) about
quads.

Jeff

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Not all ideas are equal and not everything is a matter of opinion and/or
>> experience. That is the easy way out of an argument. I take the views I
>> do because I believe I am right and others are wrong.
>
> I agree but what type of bike/trike you prefer is a matter of opinion
> and/or experience. I test rode the Kett and hated it. The same day I test
> rode Greenspeed, Wizwheelz, Trice, Catrike, another delta whose name I
> can't remember and Sun. I ended up buying the Sun because it was the
> lowest investment and I wasn't sure I was going to stick with trikes. The
> Greenspeed was far and away my favorite although I wasn't ready to commit
> big $$$'s to trikes until I was sure.

My TerraTrike (an early version) has a reputation for high pedal steer. My
friend's Greenspeed does not have this reputation, yet it has the same
amount of pedal steer as my TerraTrike. Neither of my two deltas have any
pedal steer worth mentioning. If you did not like the Kett Wiesel it was not
because it had any pedal steer.

> I finally learned that I loved trikes, don't like deltas, and prefer
> tadpoles. Everything you've said about deltas and tadpoles may be correct
> (although I don't conceed that point by any stretch) but the fact is I
> still prefer tadpoles. I've tried both and I have a clear preference. You
> can't argue with my preference and I can't argue with yours nor will I
> attempt to. I'm not telling you that you should embrace tadpoles. I just
> don't think that you should label everyone who enjoys them idiots.

There are several other reasons for liking tadpoles that have nothing to do
with pedal steer. I was arguing the issue of pedal steer exclusively. I am
especially put off by those who argue that pedal steer is not an issue with
tadpoles, when I KNOW it is.

> I told Buck that he shouldn't waste his breath insulting you and I'm
> telling you the same thing. Yes you are getting read but we could be
> talking about trikes and riding and not whose opinion is correct.

Buck is a guy from the UK who used to call himself Ian. He has been around
here forever and I know him well. I don't know why he keeps changing his
user name. We dislike one another intensely, but frankly I have yet to
encounter a Brit who was worth talking to.

> I don't feel safe riding any trike at speeds above 25 MPH. I don't feel
> safe and I've already flipped one because I couldn't control it at high
> speed. Anyone who wants to ride one at 70 MPH should feel free. I won't. I
> like long slow rides and my big heavy trike is perfect for that. I don't
> mind the extra effort it takes to propel the trike as I need to lose a few
> (well many few actually) pounds. I don't mind dropping it into low gear
> and crawling up the hills. Walking a bike up a hill wasn't bad but walking
> a trike anywhere is awful. I'll ride thank you.

Yes, I will admit I have never walked my trikes. I think if I had to do it
with my delta I would just grab the front wheel and pull it up the hill
after me. I am not sure how I would push or pull a tadpole up a hill. Maybe
I would carry it on my back like Sisyphus carrying his great stone up the
hill (only to have it roll back down the hill and then to have to carry it
up the hill again - and to do this for all eternity).

>> My caustic tone is the most interesting and charming thing about me. Too
>> bad you are unable to appreciate me. I think it comes from taking
>> newsgroups entirely too seriously. After all, there is no one here but us
>> fools.
>>
>
> A little bit makes you interesting and charming. A lot makes you quite the
> opposite. I don't have a problem with you seeing us as fools and I would
> agree. So on that basis, lighten up. I get it. You and UK boys don't see
> I2I. So enough with the back and forth about it.

Well, I try to vary how I say what I say, but let's face it, there is only
so much that any of us have in our repertoires.

>> Well, yes, but I enjoy posting to ARBR too!
>> Your Friendly Neighborhood Troll,
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> Well post away then but lets see if we can cover some new ground. You like
> deltas. You think they are better. Others like tadpoles. The two of you
> don't agree. I think that trike can't achieve stability at high speed
> because of the basic design.

Nevertheless, I am in a distinct minority on this question of which is
better - tadpoles or deltas. Most everyone in the world has been brainwashed
to think tadpoles are the cat's meow when it is just not so. I am presenting
a contrary view which others need to know about.

Tadpoles are for cart lovers; deltas are for bicycle lovers.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Jeff Grippe]

> My TerraTrike (an early version) has a reputation for high pedal steer. My
> friend's Greenspeed does not have this reputation, yet it has the same
> amount of pedal steer as my TerraTrike. Neither of my two deltas have any
> pedal steer worth mentioning. If you did not like the Kett Wiesel it was
> not because it had any pedal steer.
>

Point conceeded. I don't know much about pedal steer. I'd bet my trike have
it. They have every other rotton kind of steer. But my Sun (a delta that I
no longer own) had an awful steering problem because of the single wheel
drive. Whatever you call that I really haded it.

> Buck is a guy from the UK who used to call himself Ian. He has been around
> here forever and I know him well. I don't know why he keeps changing his
> user name. We dislike one another intensely, but frankly I have yet to
> encounter a Brit who was worth talking to.
>

This is exactly the type of problem that makes me want to turn you off. It's
fine to disagree with whatever his name is. I don't even have a problem with
you "disliking him intensley". But then when you add a sweeping
generalization of an entire country I just think that you are an idiot. If
you were making a joke, it didn't read like one. If you thought you were
being "charming" or "gruff and lovable", you weren't.

> Yes, I will admit I have never walked my trikes. I think if I had to do it
> with my delta I would just grab the front wheel and pull it up the hill
> after me. I am not sure how I would push or pull a tadpole up a hill.
> Maybe I would carry it on my back like Sisyphus carrying his great stone
> up the hill (only to have it roll back down the hill and then to have to
> carry it up the hill again - and to do this for all eternity).
>

Just walking my Sun into the garage was a pain. The rear wheels kept hitting
me.

> Nevertheless, I am in a distinct minority on this question of which is
> better - tadpoles or deltas. Most everyone in the world has been
> brainwashed to think tadpoles are the cat's meow when it is just not so. I
> am presenting a contrary view which others need to know about.
>
> Tadpoles are for cart lovers; deltas are for bicycle lovers.
>

I think the minority opinion is always worth hearing but I'm not fond of
being called brainwashed or a "cart lover" whatever that may be. You don't
just present a minority opinion, you insult the people who don't agree with
you. You present opinion as if it were fact and label anyone that disagrees
with you as an idiot. Do you want people to actually hear and listen to the
minority opinion or do you want them to tune you out because they can't
stand your presentation. The third option, which I imagine you would agree
with, is you don't care what they think. If that is the case, however, then
don't waste your breath (or fingers or whatever).

What I didn't like about the Kett was the use of the Schlumph system to
increase the gear range. Everything else about it (with the exception of the
price) was ok. It didn't give me the thrill that the Greenspeed did and I
didn't think it was as comfortable but it was ok. I'd like to try the
unusual tandem system that they have developed. Five wheels might be stable.

Jeff

 

[Buck]

On 06/12/2005 08:36:47 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Buck is a guy from the UK who used to call himself Ian. He has been
> around here forever and I know him well. I don't know why he keeps
> changing his user name. We dislike one another intensely, but frankly I
> have yet to encounter a Brit who was worth talking to.

I changed my tag on here to my last name, because of the plethora of
posters on newsgroups called Ian, often with a following initial, made
sense to me to go with my surname.

I do not dislike Ed on any personal level, just his trolling, he at
times ruins the group for everyone, it is sad that he has to be so
selfish at times.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I do not dislike Ed on any personal level, just his trolling, he at
> times ruins the group for everyone, it is sad that he has to be so
> selfish at times.

I don't think you should let his posts ruin anything. If he insists on being
foul-tempered and insulting anyone that doesn't agree with him, then people
will stop listening. Even I will eventually grow weary of trying to suggest
to him that he develop some manners. There will come a point (probably
pretty soon) where he either decides to try "playing nice with us other
kiddies" (I doubt it but if figure its worth a try), or he decides that he
get greater satisfaction out of being insulting and nasty. Either way I
won't let him ruin anything for me. It isn't the same as if he were
physically present and couldn't be ignored. He can be completely ignored.

I have no bad thoughts about you or people from the UK in general. I think
anyone that goes 70 MPH on a trike might be taking their life into their
hands but that doesn't make them bad people.

Jeff

 

[Peter Clinch]

Jeff Grippe wrote:

> I don't think you should let his posts ruin anything. If he insists on being
> foul-tempered and insulting anyone that doesn't agree with him, then people
> will stop listening.

Yup. He's in the Bozo Bin on my newsreader, it marks anything by him as
read and I only read unread posts. I occasionally get some second hand
in quotes from others replying to him, and even more occasionally haul
up the original to point out it's bollocks, but he basically doesn't
bother me because I ignore him.

> to him that he develop some manners. There will come a point (probably
> pretty soon) where he either decides to try "playing nice with us other
> kiddies"

No evidence I've seen that he'll grow a brain or any sense of manners.

> I have no bad thoughts about you or people from the UK in general. I think
> anyone that goes 70 MPH on a trike might be taking their life into their
> hands but that doesn't make them bad people.

Of course they're taking their life in their hands. Not a problem if
they've got steady hands though... I take mine in my hands every time I
go and mix it with motor traffic, including when I'm in the car, or on foot.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
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[Mark Leuck]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> On 06/12/2005 08:36:47 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Buck is a guy from the UK who used to call himself Ian. He has been
> > around here forever and I know him well. I don't know why he keeps
> > changing his user name. We dislike one another intensely, but frankly I
> > have yet to encounter a Brit who was worth talking to.
>
> I changed my tag on here to my last name, because of the plethora of
> posters on newsgroups called Ian, often with a following initial, made
> sense to me to go with my surname.
>
> I do not dislike Ed on any personal level, just his trolling, he at
> times ruins the group for everyone, it is sad that he has to be so
> selfish at times.

He's not selfish, he just wants to be part of the conversation and be
considered an expert on it even when he knows nothing about the current
subject

it's easy to pick these things out from his current postings, at least he's
talking about recumbents unlike a few months ago, I still think not only
does he not own a recumbent but has never owned one

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Buck is a guy from the UK who used to call himself Ian. He has been
>> around here forever and I know him well. I don't know why he keeps
>> changing his user name. We dislike one another intensely, but frankly I
>> have yet to encounter a Brit who was worth talking to.
>>
>
> This is exactly the type of problem that makes me want to turn you off.
> It's fine to disagree with whatever his name is. I don't even have a
> problem with you "disliking him intensley". But then when you add a
> sweeping generalization of an entire country I just think that you are an
> idiot. If you were making a joke, it didn't read like one. If you thought
> you were being "charming" or "gruff and lovable", you weren't.

You will learn to read me right if you hang in there. You are far too
earnest for a newsgroup.

The Brits are an uppity lot and I enjoy throwing some of it back in their
faces. If you think Brits are worth talking to, I advise that you go to one
of the UK cycling groups and you will quickly see what idiots they are.

>> Yes, I will admit I have never walked my trikes. I think if I had to do
>> it with my delta I would just grab the front wheel and pull it up the
>> hill after me. I am not sure how I would push or pull a tadpole up a
>> hill. Maybe I would carry it on my back like Sisyphus carrying his great
>> stone up the hill (only to have it roll back down the hill and then to
>> have to carry it up the hill again - and to do this for all eternity).
>>
>
> Just walking my Sun into the garage was a pain. The rear wheels kept
> hitting me.

You pull a delta by the front wheel, you do not push it.

>> Nevertheless, I am in a distinct minority on this question of which is
>> better - tadpoles or deltas. Most everyone in the world has been
>> brainwashed to think tadpoles are the cat's meow when it is just not so.
>> I am presenting a contrary view which others need to know about.
>>
>> Tadpoles are for cart lovers; deltas are for bicycle lovers.
>>
>
> I think the minority opinion is always worth hearing but I'm not fond of
> being called brainwashed or a "cart lover" whatever that may be. You don't
> just present a minority opinion, you insult the people who don't agree
> with you. You present opinion as if it were fact and label anyone that
> disagrees with you as an idiot. Do you want people to actually hear and
> listen to the minority opinion or do you want them to tune you out because
> they can't stand your presentation. The third option, which I imagine you
> would agree with, is you don't care what they think. If that is the case,
> however, then don't waste your breath (or fingers or whatever).

No, I don't care at all what others think when I know I am right. I only
care what others think when I suspect I do not know it all. But that is a
rare event indeed. I have now arrived at the age where I know all there is
to know. I only write to my inferiors out of a sense of noblesse oblige.

> What I didn't like about the Kett was the use of the Schlumph system to
> increase the gear range. Everything else about it (with the exception of
> the price) was ok. It didn't give me the thrill that the Greenspeed did
> and I didn't think it was as comfortable but it was ok. I'd like to try
> the unusual tandem system that they have developed. Five wheels might be
> stable.

That Schlumph system is un-Godly expensive, which is the reason I didn't get
it. You really don't need it for cycling around town in a cruising mode. The
price of the KW is not OK. It is too damn expensive, but I got it anyway
because there were not any other good light deltas around at the time. You
always have to layer in some foam padding to make a mesh seat bottom
comfortable. The Greenspeed seat without foam padding is a horror.

By the way, generalizations are just that - generalizations. That does not
mean we should not make them. I generalize all the time about everything and
just because there are exceptions does not make my generalizations any the
less true.

I recommend to you a play by Oscar Wilde, "The Importance of Being Earnest."
It is all right to be earnest when you are 17 years of age and just starting
out in the world, but at our age it is absurd. Lighten up and you will live
longer.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> On 06/12/2005 08:36:47 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Buck is a guy from the UK who used to call himself Ian. He has been
>> around here forever and I know him well. I don't know why he keeps
>> changing his user name. We dislike one another intensely, but frankly I
>> have yet to encounter a Brit who was worth talking to.
>
> I changed my tag on here to my last name, because of the plethora of
> posters on newsgroups called Ian, often with a following initial, made
> sense to me to go with my surname.

If Ian is using his real name that is a plus in my book. Frankly, I am fed
up with all the scoundrels hiding behind user names. Why the hell would
anyone go on a newsgroup and wish to be anonymous? If you want to be
anonymous, just don't post at all. You will never be missed. Trust me on
that!

> I do not dislike Ed on any personal level, just his trolling, he at
> times ruins the group for everyone, it is sad that he has to be so
> selfish at times.

If you would learn to read me properly, you would enjoy my posts. Too much
seriousness is deadly. A friendly troll is the life blood of any newsgroup.
Or would you rather just read technocrats like Bill Patterson. Who knows
what the hell he is ever talking about?

I only tweak those who deserve to be tweaked. I never interfere with normal
posting. Can I help it if everyone wants to get in on my act?

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I do not dislike Ed on any personal level, just his trolling, he at
>> times ruins the group for everyone, it is sad that he has to be so
>> selfish at times.
>
> I don't think you should let his posts ruin anything. If he insists on
> being foul-tempered and insulting anyone that doesn't agree with him, then
> people will stop listening. Even I will eventually grow weary of trying to
> suggest to him that he develop some manners. There will come a point
> (probably pretty soon) where he either decides to try "playing nice with
> us other kiddies" (I doubt it but if figure its worth a try), or he
> decides that he get greater satisfaction out of being insulting and nasty.
> Either way I won't let him ruin anything for me. It isn't the same as if
> he were physically present and couldn't be ignored. He can be completely
> ignored.
>
> I have no bad thoughts about you or people from the UK in general. I think
> anyone that goes 70 MPH on a trike might be taking their life into their
> hands but that doesn't make them bad people.

Jeff has not had the experience of conversing with Brits like I have. There
is not much to be said for it unless you like to be condescended to. I much
prefer to do the condescending myself and do not see any reason why I should
not since the Brits know less about more than any other people in Europe. In
fact, the only thing that saves the Brits from their own worst tendencies
are the Irish living among them. Teutonic heaviness needs to be leavened
with Celtic lightness.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota