Hit gravel, broke leg

[Jeff Grippe]

Buck said.
> Quads are usually very heavy, The steering issue with Catrike Speed stems
> from it having direct steering, the 2003 model did have a lot of pedal and
> brake steer but this has been dialed out with the new frame geometry, the
> Windcheetah likewise requires little steering input to affect large
> changes in course, the answer to that problem is experience.
> You get pedal steer on two wheel bents as well as trikes, it is down to
> not having a smooth cadence, there are trikes around with slower steering,
> the Trice, Greenspeed and the new Catrike Road all use indirect steering
> for more touring orientated trikes and as such require more steering input
> to affect direction. I ride a Speed and often exceed 50mph with no
> problems at all and anyone who has ridden in England will tell you we do
> not have the best surfaces in the world, but I do have a huge mileage
> behind me.

Heavy doesn't bother me. When you add my weight to any bike or trike it
becomes heavy. If I'm going to take 15-20 pounds of weight off of the
vehicle it would be best taken off of me and not the bike/trike. Since I'm
not a fast rider and my objective is to go far (but not fast), I think that
the WindCheetah is probably not the right trike for me (which is why I
posted a "for trade" notice on this group).

The Catrike that I tried was not a 2005. It may have been a 2004 although
the dealer that I visited tended to stock things so while it was new (as in
unused) it could have been older. I rode it after the Greenspeed and
Wizwheelz and immediately detected something in the steering that I didn't
like. Honestly that colored the whole experience and I didn't even take it
out on the 1 mile test course.

I've got less than 50 miles on the WindCheetah. I was going straight on a
quality road. When I got up to about 30 MPH I didn't like the way it felt.
It felt like it was starting to stray a little. I slowed down because I know
how sensitive the steering is and I couldn't imagine trying to make mirco
adjustments with the level of experience that I have.

The WindCheetah does seem to always "want" to return to straight ahead so it
takes no real effort to go straight. Since it appears that it will not be an
easy trike to trade I will probably put a season or two on it before making
a decision about whether or not to keep it.

Thanks for the info.

Jeff

 

[Buck]

On 06/08/2005 14:22:48 "Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Buck said.

>> Quads are usually very heavy, The steering issue with Catrike Speed stems
>> from it having direct steering, the 2003 model did have a lot of pedal
>> and brake steer but this has been dialed out with the new frame geometry,
>> the Windcheetah likewise requires little steering input to affect large
>> changes in course, the answer to that problem is experience. You get
>> pedal steer on two wheel bents as well as trikes, it is down to not
>> having a smooth cadence, there are trikes around with slower steering,
>> the Trice, Greenspeed and the new Catrike Road all use indirect steering
>> for more touring orientated trikes and as such require more steering
>> input to affect direction. I ride a Speed and often exceed 50mph with no
>> problems at all and anyone who has ridden in England will tell you we do
>> not have the best surfaces in the world, but I do have a huge mileage
>> behind me.

> Heavy doesn't bother me. When you add my weight to any bike or trike it
> becomes heavy. If I'm going to take 15-20 pounds of weight off of the
> vehicle it would be best taken off of me and not the bike/trike. Since
> I'm not a fast rider and my objective is to go far (but not fast), I think
> that the WindCheetah is probably not the right trike for me (which is why
> I posted a "for trade" notice on this group).

> The Catrike that I tried was not a 2005. It may have been a 2004 although
> the dealer that I visited tended to stock things so while it was new (as
> in unused) it could have been older. I rode it after the Greenspeed and
> Wizwheelz and immediately detected something in the steering that I didn't
> like. Honestly that colored the whole experience and I didn't even take
> it out on the 1 mile test course.

> I've got less than 50 miles on the WindCheetah. I was going straight on a
> quality road. When I got up to about 30 MPH I didn't like the way it
> felt. It felt like it was starting to stray a little. I slowed down
> because I know how sensitive the steering is and I couldn't imagine trying
> to make mirco adjustments with the level of experience that I have.

> The WindCheetah does seem to always "want" to return to straight ahead so
> it takes no real effort to go straight. Since it appears that it will not
> be an easy trike to trade I will probably put a season or two on it before
> making a decision about whether or not to keep it.

> Thanks for the info.

> Jeff

I would be suprised if you had a problem selling the Windcheetah, try logging into the forums on http://www.bentrideronline.com and making people aware of the trike there. I agree it is probably not the best trike for your purposes, remember that a trike needs to set up right to ride right.

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> C'mon guys. This is all opinions and experience. Right and wrong aren't
> really useful concepts here.

It is better to bottom post so that others do not have to read your message
in a reverse direction.

Actually, right and wrong are extremely useful concepts. Some would have you
believe that it is all in the rider when it comes to handling. If you listen
to nuts like them, you will go terribly astray and end up lost like a lamb
in the wilderness. Never listen to anyone who claims to go fast on a trike.
They are screwballs and they lie through their teeth. Thankfully, they
mostly seem to reside in the UK, a land of permanent nuts and screwballs
which the rest of the world stop listening to several generations ago.

> In my experience with trikes including the one that some people have had
> up to 70 MPH, they don't handle well at high speed. Now I haven't tried
> every trike out there at high speed and there could be some things I don't
> know about riding them (yet!).

You bet! Ride your trike to 70 mph and I definitely will not be at your
funeral as I do not want to encourage that kind of craziness.

> That having been said I will never go back to two wheels. I've been able
> to climb things with my trike that I'm not sure I could walk up.

Crawling up a hill at 2 mph is not much fun though, is it?

> I don't know if any of the tadpoles are better than any other tadpoles at
> high speed. I would guess that since the basic geometry is similar that
> they have similar handling characteristics. Probably a really long wheel
> base and wide front wheels would improve things. It would weigh a ton and
> be impossible to transport but it would be stable.

A long wheel base anything will always handle infintely better than a short
wheelbase anything. Elementary my dear Watson. Thus spake Zarathustra!

> Does anyone know if quads have the same stability problems?

Forget quads. They require internal combustion engines. A three wheeler will
serve just fine. But keep your speed down. I forbid anyone ever from going
70 mph on any kind of a bike.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota


> "Buck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> On 06/08/2005 03:34:58 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hang in there Jeff. You are right and Peter is wrong, as he is about
>>> most
>>> everything. The fact is trikes are hard to handle at speed due to pedal
>>> steer and brake steer can be a problem too. Go with your own experience
>>> and
>>> do not listen to those UK nuts. A two wheeler will always handle much
>>> better at speed than any three wheeler, but trikes are OK provided you
>>> keep your speed reasonable.
>>
>>> Regards,
>>
>>> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>>
>> LOL- Dolan the oracle, the world is ending.

I leave it to the reader as to who is being reasonable and who is being a
nut case!

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Buck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
>The steering issue with Catrike Speed stems from it having direct steering,
>the 2003 model did have a lot of pedal and brake steer but this has been
>dialed out with the new frame geometry, the Windcheetah likewise requires
>little steering input to affect large changes in course, the answer to that
>problem is experience.
> You get pedal steer on two wheel bents as well as trikes, it is down to
> not having a smooth cadence, there are trikes around with slower steering,
> the Trice, Greenspeed and the new Catrike Road all use indirect steering
> for more touring orientated trikes and as such require more steering input
> to affect direction. I ride a Speed and often exceed 50mph with no
> problems at all and anyone who has ridden in England will tell you we do
> not have the best surfaces in the world, but I do have a huge mileage
> behind me.
>
> --
> Buck
>
> I would rather be out on my Catrike
>
> www.catrike.co.uk

Direct steering for a tadpole trike has got to be the worst idea ever.
Apparently, it takes a company like Catrike to come up with a loser like
that.

Despite what these trike enthusiasts have to say about going fast, pedal
steer is a fact of life on a tadpole trike and one would be well advised to
keep your speed down unless you don't care about living anymore. The kind of
pedal steer you get on a two wheeler is minimal compared to the kind of
pedal steer you get on a tadpole trike.

If Buck is riding his Catrike at 50 mph, he is not long for this world. One
of these days he is going to swerve right into the path of an oncoming
trailer truck due to pedal steer and get squashed like a bug on a
windshield. But that is the price you pay for idiocy.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> The Catrike that I tried was not a 2005. It may have been a 2004 although
> the dealer that I visited tended to stock things so while it was new (as
> in unused) it could have been older. I rode it after the Greenspeed and
> Wizwheelz and immediately detected something in the steering that I didn't
> like. Honestly that colored the whole experience and I didn't even take it
> out on the 1 mile test course.
>
> I've got less than 50 miles on the WindCheetah. I was going straight on a
> quality road. When I got up to about 30 MPH I didn't like the way it felt.
> It felt like it was starting to stray a little. I slowed down because I
> know how sensitive the steering is and I couldn't imagine trying to make
> mirco adjustments with the level of experience that I have.
>
> The WindCheetah does seem to always "want" to return to straight ahead so
> it takes no real effort to go straight. Since it appears that it will not
> be an easy trike to trade I will probably put a season or two on it before
> making a decision about whether or not to keep it.

You were just experiencing the phenomenon known as pedal steer which is
common to all tadpole trikes, some worse than others, but they all have it.
I repeat, do not listen to these UK nuts that tell you that it does not
exist or that it can be overcome by a skillful riding technique (smoother
cadence, less steering input, etc.). Instead, listen to me, the oracle of
ARBR. It is OK to get a trike, just don't ever ride it fast. Keep your speed
down to 15 to 20 mph tops and you should be fine.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> Hang in there Jeff. You are right and Peter is wrong, as he is about
>> most everything. The fact is trikes are hard to handle at speed due
>> to pedal steer and brake steer can be problem too. Go with your own
>> experience and do not listen to those UK nuts. A two wheeler will
>> always handle much better at speed than any three wheeler, but trikes
>> are OK provided you keep your speed reasonable.
>
> But one doesn't get pedal steer when freewheeling... These days I'm a lot
> happier to to do insane speeds on three wheels rather than two.
>
> --
> Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
> Trike Vmax current 86 km/h

Dave is right about not getting pedal steer when freewheeling. I sometimes
just stop pedaling when the pedal steer kicks in and the trike will
immediately stop swerving. Unfortunately, that only works when going
downhill as you mostly have to pedal otherwise. Nevertheless, I do not feel
as safe going fast on a trike as I do on a two wheeler whether freewheeling
or not.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> DougC wrote:
>
>> notice that most-all recumbents (at least, the ones with small front
>> wheels that I rode) could not be ridden hands-free. So I think a tiny
>> front wheel just does not stabilize as well as a big wheel does.
>
> I think it's probably more to do with fork trail than directly with wheel
> size.
>
>> that, I would get a LWB or CLWB. The longer bikes feel much more stable
>> overall, the SWB's are very jittery.
>
> Though the longer wheelbase machines I've ridden have been /more/ stable,
> that's not the same as SWB machines being problematically unstable by
> design IME. I've ridden very jittery ones and many very much less jittery
> ones. Having ridden a Speedmachine with two different handlebar styles on
> an otherwise identical bike I know that jitter can be caused in part by
> the rider and how they personally interface with the cycle: I don't get on
> that well with tiller steering, but I know that's me rather than the
> system being fundamentally hopeless.

Beware of those who think it is the rider who is at fault when a bike does
not perform as promised. The fact is that LWB is a much better design
overall than is SWB. This is the universal experience of all those who know
both types of recumbents. But let's face it, after you have spent a couple
of thousand for a SWB, you are going to defend your purchase no matter what.

Tiller steering is a non-issue and even idiot kids learn how to handle it in
minutes. Quick steering SWB on the other hand never gets overcome. It will
plague you forever.

The present fashion for SWB will soon pass and we will all go back to LWB.
We should never have left it except for the desire to have a recumbent that
was more easily transportable.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[[email protected]]

Jeff Grippe wrote:
> C'mon guys. This is all opinions and experience. Right and wrong aren't
> really useful concepts here.
>
> In my experience with trikes including the one that some people have had up
> to 70 MPH, they don't handle well at high speed.

the only trike i ever rode at 70 mph was a converted harley davidson,
and i didn't like the way IT handled.

i've got 50 lbs on you and speed is my last consideration. i just want
to be able to ride a respectable distance without being embarassed by
having heart failure. i don't like the visual i get when i think about
tipping my EZ3 at high speed.



martin caskey
millers island, maryland

 

[Edward Dolan]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>> C'mon guys. This is all opinions and experience. Right and wrong aren't
>> really useful concepts here.
>>
>> In my experience with trikes including the one that some people have had
>> up
>> to 70 MPH, they don't handle well at high speed.
>
> the only trike i ever rode at 70 mph was a converted harley davidson,
> and i didn't like the way IT handled.
>
> i've got 50 lbs on you and speed is my last consideration. i just want
> to be able to ride a respectable distance without being embarassed by
> having heart failure. i don't like the visual i get when i think about
> tipping my EZ3 at high speed.
>
>
>
> martin caskey
> millers island, maryland

You are way ahead of the game Martin. You have got a long wheel base delta
and it is fairly heavy. Therefore, you will not have any pedal steer worth
mentioning. You will also get great exercise and maybe lose some weight.

On a delta, the steering is where it ought to be - up front on a single
wheel. Pity those poor fools who spend several thousand on a tadpole trike,
thereby getting an inferior design and pedal steer to boot - the worst of
both worlds I would say!

Anything on three wheels can be tipped if you try hard enough. Hells Bells!
Anything on four wheels can be tipped if you try hard enough.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Buck]

On 06/08/2005 23:19:25 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:

> You were just experiencing the phenomenon known as pedal steer which is
> common to all tadpole trikes, some worse than others, but they all have
> it. I repeat, do not listen to these UK nuts that tell you that it does
> not exist or that it can be overcome by a skillful riding technique
> (smoother cadence, less steering input, etc.). Instead, listen to me, the
> oracle of ARBR. It is OK to get a trike, just don't ever ride it fast.
> Keep your speed down to 15 to 20 mph tops and you should be fine.

Still riding your Ket Weasel? Nothing like one wheel drive with two rear wheels.

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Buck]

On 06/09/2005 02:12:03 "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> the only trike i ever rode at 70 mph was a converted harley davidson, and
> i didn't like the way IT handled.

I don't like the way 2 wheel Harleys handle, who does?

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...

> Actually, right and wrong are extremely useful concepts. Some would have
> you believe that it is all in the rider when it comes to handling. If you
> listen to nuts like them, you will go terribly astray and end up lost like
> a lamb in the wilderness.

Right and wrong have thier uses but not in a discussion about experiences.
You may believe that these people you refer to as nuts really are but you
don't get them to listen to your opinion by calling them nuts.

You and I agree about the trike speed issue and yet I find myself wanting to
have nothing to do with you. Its a free newsgroup and you should feel free
to post the way you want to post but if you aim is to influence then it
isn't working.

Just say what you have to say without name calling and being judgemental and
people will at least listen even if they don't agree.


> Crawling up a hill at 2 mph is not much fun though, is it?

A big emphatic "YES IT IS!". Back in the days when I was riding two-wheeled
recumbents there were hills that I just couldn't keep my speed up enough to
ride up. We won't even talk about what happened if I stopped in the middle
to rest. There was one nasty hill in CT where I fell off the bike 5 times
before I finally realized I had to walk it up.

When I got my first trike I took it to the nastiest hill I could find. I
popped it into my lowest gear and crawled up. I even stopped a few times to
rest. The feeling of satisfaction I had when I made it up was delightful.

Just call me the crawler. It beats the hell out of walking.

> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Let others decide if you are great. If the decision comes from you then
everyone will know it is a biased decision. You may infact be great, I don't
know, but let others decide.

 

[Buck]

On 06/09/2005 10:17:54 "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote:

> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...

>> Actually, right and wrong are extremely useful concepts. Some would have
>> you believe that it is all in the rider when it comes to handling. If
>> you listen to nuts like them, you will go terribly astray and end up lost
>> like a lamb in the wilderness.

> Right and wrong have thier uses but not in a discussion about experiences.
> You may believe that these people you refer to as nuts really are but you
> don't get them to listen to your opinion by calling them nuts.

> You and I agree about the trike speed issue and yet I find myself wanting
> to have nothing to do with you. Its a free newsgroup and you should feel
> free to post the way you want to post but if you aim is to influence then
> it isn't working.

> Just say what you have to say without name calling and being judgemental
> and people will at least listen even if they don't agree.

Jeff, it is the Dolan way, he has no life to speak of so he comes on here
and trolls.

>> Crawling up a hill at 2 mph is not much fun though, is it?

> A big emphatic "YES IT IS!". Back in the days when I was riding
> two-wheeled recumbents there were hills that I just couldn't keep my speed
> up enough to ride up. We won't even talk about what happened if I stopped
> in the middle to rest. There was one nasty hill in CT where I fell off
> the bike 5 times before I finally realized I had to walk it up.

> When I got my first trike I took it to the nastiest hill I could find. I
> popped it into my lowest gear and crawled up. I even stopped a few times
> to rest. The feeling of satisfaction I had when I made it up was
> delightful.

> Just call me the crawler. It beats the hell out of walking.

One of the greatest things about trikes, other than the Kett Weisel which,
with one wheel drive in delta configuration, and lwb suffers wheel hop on
steep slow hills.

>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

> Let others decide if you are great. If the decision comes from you then
> everyone will know it is a biased decision. You may infact be great, I
> don't know, but let others decide.

We decided he wasn't a long time ago.

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Jeff, it is the Dolan way, he has no life to speak of so he comes on here
> and trolls.
>

Maybe so but don't stoop to that level yourself. It is exactly because of
the insulting posts that I stopped wishing I didn't actually agree with him.
Just tell me your opinion/experience (about trikes not Dolan).

> One of the greatest things about trikes, other than the Kett Weisel which,
> with one wheel drive in delta configuration, and lwb suffers wheel hop on
> steep slow hills.
>

I had a Sun EZ-3AL. It was my first trike. There were a number of things I
didn't like about it. This thing, like many deltas, had two rear wheels but
only one was driven by the transmission. It was constantly pulling to one
side. I hated it. I also didn't like having the widest part of the trike
behind me. It was something I hadn't even considered when I bought it.

On the other hand it was easy to get into and out of. It was basically fun
to ride. The long wheelbase smoothed out the ride considerably.

On the third hand, Sun Bicycles did not deal honorably with me or my bike
shop. I ordered an EZ-3 AX from my bike shop. The shop ordered an EX-3 AX
from Sun. Sun shipped them an EZ-3 AL (a 2003 model) without telling them.
Ultimately there was a $150 credit given but the whole thing left a bad
taste in my mouth.

On the forth hand it was a very reasonable trike for the money.

Jeff

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Jeff, it is the Dolan way, he has no life to speak of so he comes on here
> and trolls.
>

Maybe so but don't stoop to that level yourself. It is exactly because of
the insulting posts that I stopped wishing I didn't actually agree with him.
Just tell me your opinion/experience (about trikes not Dolan).

> One of the greatest things about trikes, other than the Kett Weisel which,
> with one wheel drive in delta configuration, and lwb suffers wheel hop on
> steep slow hills.
>

I had a Sun EZ-3AL. It was my first trike. There were a number of things I
didn't like about it. This thing, like many deltas, had two rear wheels but
only one was driven by the transmission. It was constantly pulling to one
side. I hated it. I also didn't like having the widest part of the trike
behind me. It was something I hadn't even considered when I bought it.

On the other hand it was easy to get into and out of. It was basically fun
to ride. The long wheelbase smoothed out the ride considerably.

On the third hand, Sun Bicycles did not deal honorably with me or my bike
shop. I ordered an EZ-3 AX from my bike shop. The shop ordered an EX-3 AX
from Sun. Sun shipped them an EZ-3 AL (a 2003 model) without telling them.
Ultimately there was a $150 credit given but the whole thing left a bad
taste in my mouth.

On the forth hand it was a very reasonable trike for the money.

Jeff

 

[Buck]

On 06/09/2005 14:07:09 "Jeff Grippe" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

>> Jeff, it is the Dolan way, he has no life to speak of so he comes on here
>> and trolls.

> Maybe so but don't stoop to that level yourself. It is exactly because of
> the insulting posts that I stopped wishing I didn't actually agree with
> him. Just tell me your opinion/experience (about trikes not Dolan).

Dolan is one of the reasons I have not visited this group for about a year,
between him and another poster the group had fallen into foolishness.

>> One of the greatest things about trikes, other than the Kett Weisel
>> which, with one wheel drive in delta configuration, and lwb suffers wheel
>> hop on steep slow hills.

> I had a Sun EZ-3AL. It was my first trike. There were a number of things
> I didn't like about it. This thing, like many deltas, had two rear wheels
> but only one was driven by the transmission. It was constantly pulling to
> one side. I hated it. I also didn't like having the widest part of the
> trike behind me. It was something I hadn't even considered when I bought
> it.

> On the other hand it was easy to get into and out of. It was basically
> fun to ride. The long wheelbase smoothed out the ride considerably.

> On the third hand, Sun Bicycles did not deal honorably with me or my bike
> shop. I ordered an EZ-3 AX from my bike shop. The shop ordered an EX-3
> AX from Sun. Sun shipped them an EZ-3 AL (a 2003 model) without telling
> them. Ultimately there was a $150 credit given but the whole thing left a
> bad taste in my mouth.

> On the forth hand it was a very reasonable trike for the money.

I am not really familiar with the Sun, if I recall it is quite upright and
fairly heavy, never seen one, I do not think there are any in the U.K.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

 

[Jeff Grippe]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Dolan is one of the reasons I have not visited this group for about a
> year,
> between him and another poster the group had fallen into foolishness.
>

Well I'll always talk to you without being insulting even if I don't agree
with what you are saying.

> I am not really familiar with the Sun, if I recall it is quite upright and
> fairly heavy, never seen one, I do not think there are any in the U.K.
>

Even the aluminum ones are heavy. The AL/AX weight 50 pounds.

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> On 06/09/2005 02:12:03 "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> > the only trike i ever rode at 70 mph was a converted harley davidson,
and
> > i didn't like the way IT handled.
>
> I don't like the way 2 wheel Harleys handle, who does?
>
> --
> Buck
>
> I would rather be out on my Catrike
>
> http://www.catrike.co.uk

You don't buy a Harley for performance and handling, it's all about image

(no I don't own one nor do I ever want to own one)

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Buck" <ian@*remove*trikesandstuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> On 06/08/2005 23:19:25 "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You were just experiencing the phenomenon known as pedal steer which is
>> common to all tadpole trikes, some worse than others, but they all have
>> it. I repeat, do not listen to these UK nuts that tell you that it does
>> not exist or that it can be overcome by a skillful riding technique
>> (smoother cadence, less steering input, etc.). Instead, listen to me,
>> the
>> oracle of ARBR. It is OK to get a trike, just don't ever ride it fast.
>> Keep your speed down to 15 to 20 mph tops and you should be fine.
>
> Still riding your Ket Weasel? Nothing like one wheel drive with two rear
> wheels.
>
> --
> Buck

Anyone who thinks it is OK to have two front wheels which then have to be
steered has surely got everything backwards. You are the type who probably
thinks front wheel drive and rear wheel steer is OK too.

One wheel drive is perfectly adequate for the kind of cycling that 99% of us
will do, whether there is only a single rear wheel or two rear wheels.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> Actually, right and wrong are extremely useful concepts. Some would have
>> you believe that it is all in the rider when it comes to handling. If you
>> listen to nuts like them, you will go terribly astray and end up lost
>> like a lamb in the wilderness.
>
> Right and wrong have thier uses but not in a discussion about experiences.
> You may believe that these people you refer to as nuts really are but you
> don't get them to listen to your opinion by calling them nuts.

It doesn't matter to me in the least whether anyone listens to me or not.
What matters is are they able to convince me of anything. So far - No!

> You and I agree about the trike speed issue and yet I find myself wanting
> to have nothing to do with you. Its a free newsgroup and you should feel
> free to post the way you want to post but if you aim is to influence then
> it isn't working.

Most on this newsgroup you have to hit over the head with a 2 by 4 just to
get their attention. Recumbent cyclists are all old men and fixed in their
views. So what else is new?

> Just say what you have to say without name calling and being judgemental
> and people will at least listen even if they don't agree.
>
>
>> Crawling up a hill at 2 mph is not much fun though, is it?
>
> A big emphatic "YES IT IS!". Back in the days when I was riding
> two-wheeled recumbents there were hills that I just couldn't keep my speed
> up enough to ride up. We won't even talk about what happened if I stopped
> in the middle to rest. There was one nasty hill in CT where I fell off the
> bike 5 times before I finally realized I had to walk it up.

I have walked up many a hill and think nothing of it. Those who have some
hang up about walking up hills are mentally challenged. It is often very
pleasant to get off the bike and do a bit of walking.

> When I got my first trike I took it to the nastiest hill I could find. I
> popped it into my lowest gear and crawled up. I even stopped a few times
> to rest. The feeling of satisfaction I had when I made it up was
> delightful.

Better to get off the damn bike and walk up the hill. Jeez, I knew this much
when I was 10 years old.

> Just call me the crawler. It beats the hell out of walking.

Cycling sure does beat the hell out of walking which is why I do as much of
it as I do. But there are times when it just makes more sense to walk. I
have often walked my bike up hills that were too steep to ride and I
sometimes walk my bike across intersections when the traffic is very bad.
Unlike you, I do not have any hang ups about walking my bike.

>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> Let others decide if you are great. If the decision comes from you then
> everyone will know it is a biased decision. You may infact be great, I
> don't know, but let others decide.

I have learned the hard way that most here on ARBR are numskulls and
dunderheads and I am not about to let them decided anything about me. No, I
will tell them what to think and they can either like it or lump it.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota