hit by car yesterday



have had op. wasn't overtaking traffic as there was none. this girl
was parked outside pub 20 yards after junction and bend. she was
pointed away from us and the bend and suddenly took off as we came in
line with her (we were doing 10mph. there was no other car on the
road ) and swept across the road to do a racer boy u turn. the fuzz
say she'll be done for it. wont make fingy better but c'est la vie. my
pal's airborne titanium bike cracked and warped. my trek aluminium mtb
is perfect. thanks for good wishes lads. we're about as canny as you
get on bikes but this one was a total shock to us.

i'm not going to let this get me down. it wasn't deliberate on her
part, just the recklessness of youth. personally i don't think under
25's should be allowed to drive as they are too reckless
 
On 2007-08-28, Garry from Cork <[email protected]> wrote:
> i'm not going to let this get me down. it wasn't deliberate on her
> part, just the recklessness of youth. personally i don't think under
> 25's should be allowed to drive as they are too reckless

Hm. So far, the car drivers to hit me on my bike (on bright days, in
good visibility, on straight roads) were aged in their mid 30s and 70
years old. Recklessness of age?

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twice???

i've not been hit before but have avoided being killed or badly
injured by riding into the ditch.
 
On 27 août, 08:14, Garry from Cork <[email protected]> wrote:

> lucky to be alive


Saddened and horrified to hear it. God I hate cars.

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

EFR
Ile de France
 
Garry from Cork <[email protected]> wrote:

> have had op. wasn't overtaking traffic as there was none. this girl
> was parked outside pub 20 yards after junction and bend. she was
> pointed away from us and the bend and suddenly took off as we came in
> line with her (we were doing 10mph. there was no other car on the
> road ) and swept across the road to do a racer boy u turn. the fuzz
> say she'll be done for it. wont make fingy better but c'est la vie. my
> pal's airborne titanium bike cracked and warped. my trek aluminium mtb
> is perfect. thanks for good wishes lads. we're about as canny as you
> get on bikes but this one was a total shock to us.
>
> i'm not going to let this get me down. it wasn't deliberate on her
> part, just the recklessness of youth. personally i don't think under
> 25's should be allowed to drive as they are too reckless

The law, unfortunately, appears to struggle with the de facto
prohibition of many under 25s in any case. Put simply, many young
drivers are unable to afford to insure their cars. A PMQ this year
revealed "that since 1997:

* There has been a fall of 25% in the average fine, to just £169,
which is less than half the average annual cost of insurance itself
* Just one in five of drivers without insurance are being caught and
fined
* The Government estimates that 2.1million motorists are driving
without insurance - one in 15 motorists
* There are great variations in the fines applied - from an average
of £367 in Derbyshire to just £116 in Durham"

<http://www.libdems.org.uk/news/story.html?id=13072>

Other sites appear to suggest that the numbers are closer to 1.2 million
drivers, a figure which should still be considered far too high.

Cheers,
Luke

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exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>
 
[email protected] (Ekul Namsob) wrote in
news:1i3lkru.1pnmd1c1axs1fyN%[email protected]:

>
> * There has been a fall of 25% in the average fine, to just £169,
> which is less than half the average annual cost of insurance itself
>

I'd love to know where an under 25 can get insurance for £338 pa.


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Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell
 
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:33:14 -0000, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Strange place to park
>
> 20 yards from a bend with continuous white line.
>
> And the poster said from a parked position, not parked.
>
> I take it was a queue and the driver decided to go another way. A
> dangerous manoeuvre at any time by the car.

Or to put it another way "I am determined that you are lying, and no
matter what you say I will assume something else happened entirely in
order to shift some blame onto you. It is impossible that the car was
parked, even though you have said so several times. It can't have
been parked because it would not be entirely sensible to park there,
and we all know every motorist is a model of prudent, sensible
courtesy. You must have been overtaking a queue of traffic and it's
all your own fault."

Dewi is catching up with TrollB...

regards, Ian SMith
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On 2007-08-29, Garry from Cork <[email protected]> wrote:
> twice???
>
> i've not been hit before but have avoided being killed or badly
> injured by riding into the ditch.

Actually, in the first one I managed to avoid my body contacting the
car, but I did fly over it when the bike high sided (I'm pretty sure it
bounced off the car). The woman, going in the opposite direction,
decided to instead of looking to see the road was clear, to simply
follow the car in front which had just turned right. All of a sudden,
there was a gold Fiesta driving right across my lane. I could only avoid
hitting the car *hard* (I was doing 28 mph thanks to a strong tail wind)
by falling off.

In the second occasion, I was rammed from the rear. Not much I could
have done to avoid it. The car hit my rear spindle and the deraillieur,
and the mirror hit me, and again, I went for a brief flight with a
painful landing.

In the first instance, the driver didn't look. In the second instance,
the driver had defective vision (and the police are prosecuting). Pretty
reckless in my book.

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On 29 Aug 2007 08:55:48 GMT, Ian Smith wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:33:14 -0000, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Strange place to park
>>
>> 20 yards from a bend with continuous white line.
>>
>> And the poster said from a parked position, not parked.
>>
>> I take it was a queue and the driver decided to go another way. A
>> dangerous manoeuvre at any time by the car.
>
> Or to put it another way "I am determined that you are lying, and no
> matter what you say I will assume something else happened entirely in
> order to shift some blame onto you. It is impossible that the car was
> parked, even though you have said so several times. It can't have
> been parked because it would not be entirely sensible to park there,
> and we all know every motorist is a model of prudent, sensible
> courtesy. You must have been overtaking a queue of traffic and it's
> all your own fault."
>
> Dewi is catching up with TrollB...
>

Shall I add him to the list?
 
On Aug 27, 9:24 pm, Paul Boyd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I must admit that just lately I've been surprised by the number of cars
> waiting patiently behind me whilst I cycle a good 3 to 4ft from parked
> cars. Queues of parked cars by shopping centres and sea fronts are
> especially lethal!
>
> --
> Paul Boydhttp://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

ITYM at least 5 feet and sometimes more, Shirley? 3-4 feet is too
close, both according to Cyclecraft, and the length of the last two
coupe doors that were opened on me. I'm glad I wasn't that close.
 
On Aug 29, 9:55 am, Ian Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:33:14 -0000, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Strange place to park
>
> > 20 yards from a bend with continuous white line.
>
> > And the poster said from a parked position, not parked.
>
> > I take it was a queue and the driver decided to go another way. A
> > dangerous manoeuvre at any time by the car.
>
> Or to put it another way "I am determined that you are lying, and no
> matter what you say I will assume something else happened entirely in
> order to shift some blame onto you. It is impossible that the car was
> parked, even though you have said so several times. It can't have
> been parked because it would not be entirely sensible to park there,
> and we all know every motorist is a model of prudent, sensible
> courtesy. You must have been overtaking a queue of traffic and it's
> all your own fault."
>
> Dewi is catching up with TrollB...

Is that how you normally think in discussions?
 
On Aug 29, 11:37 am, _ <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2007 08:55:48 GMT, Ian Smith wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:33:14 -0000, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Strange place to park
>
> >> 20 yards from a bend with continuous white line.
>
> >> And the poster said from a parked position, not parked.
>
> >> I take it was a queue and the driver decided to go another way. A
> >> dangerous manoeuvre at any time by the car.
>
> > Or to put it another way "I am determined that you are lying, and no
> > matter what you say I will assume something else happened entirely in
> > order to shift some blame onto you. It is impossible that the car was
> > parked, even though you have said so several times. It can't have
> > been parked because it would not be entirely sensible to park there,
> > and we all know every motorist is a model of prudent, sensible
> > courtesy. You must have been overtaking a queue of traffic and it's
> > all your own fault."
>
> > Dewi is catching up with TrollB...
>
> Shall I add him to the list?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Lol, only if you don't like, The other view point, there is one you
know.

To know the right answers, you must also know the wrong ones ( (C)
Dewi)
 
On 29/08/2007 11:49, LSMike said,

> ITYM at least 5 feet and sometimes more, Shirley? 3-4 feet is too
> close, both according to Cyclecraft, and the length of the last two
> coupe doors that were opened on me. I'm glad I wasn't that close.

Depends on the specific circumstances - the 3-4ft was because I judged
that particular distance to be safe at that particular moment whilst
allowing loads of room for a car to safely pass with enough room for me
to move out further if necessary. I would normally ride much further
out, and move in to 3-4ft only when I considered it safe for a following
car to pass. I have no compunction in holding up traffic if I feel that
it isn't safe to pass - it's my life!

That was why I was surprised - if I, as a cyclist, made a deliberate
move to indicate that I was allowing a car to pass, I was surprised they
didn't take the opportunity. This is urban riding, where traffic speeds
are generally slower. I wouldn't ride in the middle of the left lane of
a dual carriageway and move in as a car came behind!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 
On 29/08/2007 08:18, Tony Raven said,

> I'd love to know where an under 25 can get insurance for £338 pa.

You read my thoughts - a colleague has just been trying to find
insurance for his son. The prices quoted make you realise why many
don't bother - the fines are far, far less than the insurance, and the
risk of getting caught is minimal.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Artemisia
[email protected] says...

>
> Saddened and horrified to hear it. God I hate cars.
>
Cars aren't /that/ bad when they're properly maintained and are used
considerately and appropriately (i.e. not for short trips in town etc.).
 
On Aug 29, 11:51 am, "The other view point, there is one you
know...http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/03.htm"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> To know the right answers, you must also know the wrong ones ( (C)
> Dewi)

"This isn't right. This isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli
 
Paul Boyd <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 27/08/2007 19:07, Martin Dann said,
>
> > Last week I was cycling about three feet from a line of parked cars when
> > a cager behind me started blasting his horn and waving for me to get out
> > of his way. When I stopped in front of him and asked what the problem
> > was, he just started yelling incoherently.
>
> Isn't that where you stop, look at the bike in a puzzled manner, shrug
> your shoulders, then carry on as you were? :)
>
> I must admit that just lately I've been surprised by the number of cars
> waiting patiently behind me whilst I cycle a good 3 to 4ft from parked
> cars. Queues of parked cars by shopping centres and sea fronts are
> especially lethal!

to be honest i haven't had a problem or least not yet doing that. but
mostly they are slow roads any way. ie they can pass though they have to
overtake rather than glide past.

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com
 
Ace <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:24:33 +0100, Paul Boyd <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 27/08/2007 19:07, Martin Dann said,
> >
> >> Last week I was cycling about three feet from a line of parked cars when
> >> a cager behind me started blasting his horn and waving for me to get out
> >> of his way. When I stopped in front of him and asked what the problem
> >> was, he just started yelling incoherently.
> >
> >Isn't that where you stop, look at the bike in a puzzled manner, shrug
> >your shoulders, then carry on as you were? :)
>
> Heh. You've seen me riding then?
>
> >I must admit that just lately I've been surprised by the number of cars
> >waiting patiently behind me whilst I cycle a good 3 to 4ft from parked
> >cars.
>
> I sometimes get quite embarassed by the froggies leaving so much space
> for me, especially at the moment as I'm still a long way from fit, so
> toddling along at 20kph or less... but then again, they seam happy to
> wait, so why should I worry?

might be a big town small town thing? if i take a bike back to wales
compared to edge of london i get given loads of room, but then the
traffic is much less and less aggressive, for instance i got a taxi cab
flashing me in the car a while back because i was doing 30... and get
plenty that will overtake. which just doesn't happen in the area of
wales i grew up in.

roger
--
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Paul Boyd wrote:

> On 29/08/2007 08:18, Tony Raven said,

>> I'd love to know where an under 25 can get insurance for £338 pa.

> You read my thoughts - a colleague has just been trying to find
> insurance for his son. The prices quoted make you realise why many
> don't bother - the fines are far, far less than the insurance, and the
> risk of getting caught is minimal.

My youngest son (21) has not long ago renewed after his first full
year's cover. I won't tell you the amount for fully comp the first
year (aged 20, just passed his test) in case you're not sitting down
and are near any sharp or hard objects, but the renewal was only about
£650. In 2007 prices, and assuming max no claims, he might easily be
down to the mid three hundreds in four years' time (I hope).
 
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