high cholesterol

anwen wrote:
:: does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it hireditry?

Mostly, neither.

Roger Zoul said:

anwen wrote:
:: does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it hireditry?

Mostly, neither.

Or partly each.
--
http://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html

On 24 Apr 2007 03:19:57 -0700, anwen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

hello. i am doing a presentation on high cholesterol and i was
wondering if you could help me by answering this question.

does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it hireditry?

i would be delighted if you please reply to my question.
thank you.

Both.

Check this site:

http://www.vytorin.com/ezetimibe_simvastatin/vytorin/consumer/index.jsp

People who do NOT take statin drugs have a nasty habit of dying much
younger than people who do.

Any doctor who doesn't prescribe statins is guilty of malpractice.

jiml <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| On 24 Apr 2007 03:19:57 -0700, anwen
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| hello. i am doing a presentation on high cholesterol and i
||| was wondering if you could help me by answering this
||| question.
|||
||| does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it
||| hireditry?
|||
||| i would be delighted if you please reply to my question.
||| thank you.
||
|| Both.
||
|| Check this site:
||
||
||
http://www.vytorin.com/ezetimibe_simvastatin/vytorin/consumer/index.jsp
||
|| People who do NOT take statin drugs have a nasty habit of
|| dying much younger than people who do.
||
|| Any doctor who doesn't prescribe statins is guilty of
|| malpractice.

Gee, that is a reliable source for information on statins.
The company that makes them and profits from sellling
them. Everybody should take them and send us a lot
of money.

BJ
--
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discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the
thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has
automatically 'lost' whatever debate was in progress."

"Since early 2005, more than 150 million personal records have
been exposed in dozens of incidents, according to information
compiled by the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. " - Companies that
collect this data must be held accountable for its security.

anwen said:

hello. i am doing a presentation on high cholesterol and i was
wondering if you could help me by answering this question.

does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it hireditry?

i would be delighted if you please reply to my question.
thank you.

This is a question better asked of Google.

How about both and it depends. And other factors. Yeah, that all
works.

Good luck.

BJ in Texas wrote:
:: jiml <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::: On 24 Apr 2007 03:19:57 -0700, anwen
:::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::
::::: hello. i am doing a presentation on high cholesterol and i
::::: was wondering if you could help me by answering this
::::: question.
:::::
::::: does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it
::::: hireditry?
:::::
::::: i would be delighted if you please reply to my question.
::::: thank you.
::::
:::: Both.
::::
:::: Check this site:
::::
::::
::::
:: http://www.vytorin.com/ezetimibe_simvastatin/vytorin/consumer/index.jsp
::::
:::: People who do NOT take statin drugs have a nasty habit of
:::: dying much younger than people who do.
::::
:::: Any doctor who doesn't prescribe statins is guilty of
:::: malpractice.
::
:: Gee, that is a reliable source for information on statins.
:: The company that makes them and profits from sellling
:: them. Everybody should take them and send us a lot
:: of money.

Any one who believes such nonsense is guilty of being a lemming.

::
:: BJ
:: --
:: "There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet
:: discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the
:: thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has
:: automatically 'lost' whatever debate was in progress."
::
:: "Since early 2005, more than 150 million personal records have
:: been exposed in dozens of incidents, according to information
:: compiled by the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. " - Companies that
:: collect this data must be held accountable for its security.

You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the internet
but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter of
educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me personally, I
do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but it may
be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading has always
been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was only 148.
My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the answer to
this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in good
health at all?

Carol J

"anwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
hello. i am doing a presentation on high cholesterol and i was
wondering if you could help me by answering this question.

does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it hireditry?

i would be delighted if you please reply to my question.
thank you.

Carol J said:

You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
internet
but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter of
educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
personally, I
do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but it
may
be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading has
always
been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was only 148.
My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the answer
to
this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in good
health at all?

Carol J

You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've seen
articles recommending agressive therapies to get total cholesterol less
than 150.

--
Bob in CT

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:25:54 -0400, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

anwen wrote:
:: does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it hireditry?

Mostly, neither.

There's a "condition" (which some argue isn't a condition at all) called
hypercholesteremia that's apparently hereditary. However, very few people
have this condition, and even if you do have it, you're not that much more
likely to die of heart disease than people with "normal" cholesterol
levels. See The Cholesterol Myths. New Trends Publishing, Washington DC,
2000.(English)

--
Bob in CT

Bob in CT wrote:
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:25:54 -0400, Roger Zoul
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: anwen wrote:
::::: does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it
::::: hireditry?
:::
::: Mostly, neither.
:::
:::
::
:: There's a "condition" (which some argue isn't a condition at all)
:: called hypercholesteremia that's apparently hereditary. However,
:: very few people have this condition, and even if you do have it,
:: you're not that much more likely to die of heart disease than people
:: with "normal" cholesterol levels. See The Cholesterol Myths. New
:: Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2000.(English)

Also, this business about "heredity" is also nonsense. It's used whenever
no other good explanation can be found. People buy into it because it
"sounds" reasonable. Yet, it's just ad-hoc science.

Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My cholesterol
currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on beans, cornbread,
fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the house Monday thru Friday, then
bologna sandwiches every friday night, hot dogs every Saturday morning,
something from hamburger every Saturday night and the fried chicken on
Sunday night, all fried in lard.

Carol J

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Carol J said:

You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
internet
but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter of
educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
personally, I
do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but it
may
be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading has
always
been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was only 148.
My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the answer
to
this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in good
health at all?

Carol J

You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've seen
articles recommending agressive therapies to get total cholesterol less
than 150.

--
Bob in CT

I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low Chol is not
good, especially in woman (iifc).

Carol J wrote:
:: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
:: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
:: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
:: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
:: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from hamburger
:: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
:: fried in lard.
::
:: Carol J
::
:: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
::: internet
::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter
::: of educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
::: personally, I
::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but
::: it may
::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
::: has always
::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near
::: finding the answer to
::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in
::: good health at all?
:::
::: Carol J
:::
:: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
:: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
:: cholesterol less than 150.
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

Mmmm...bologna sandwiches and hotdogs and fried chicken. Well, I also had
total cholesterol below 150, but now it's beginning to rise. You have
remarkably low cholesterol, which must be at least partially hereditary.
I wouldn't worry too much about your level (worrying will kill you long
before your cholesterol level will!). And, what can you do?

Carol J said:

Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My cholesterol
currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on beans, cornbread,
fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the house Monday thru Friday,
then
bologna sandwiches every friday night, hot dogs every Saturday morning,
something from hamburger every Saturday night and the fried chicken on
Sunday night, all fried in lard.

Carol J

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
internet
but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter of
educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
personally, I
do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but it
may
be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading has
always
been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was only
148.
My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the answer
to
this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in good
health at all?

Carol J

You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've seen
articles recommending agressive therapies to get total cholesterol less
than 150.

--
Bob in CT

Oh? What's their reasoning? I'd not heard that.......Just curious:-)

Carol j

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low Chol is not
good, especially in woman (iifc).

Carol J wrote:
:: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
:: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
:: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
:: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
:: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from hamburger
:: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
:: fried in lard.
::
:: Carol J
::
:: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
::: internet
::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter
::: of educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
::: personally, I
::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but
::: it may
::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
::: has always
::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near
::: finding the answer to
::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in
::: good health at all?
:::
::: Carol J
:::
:: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
:: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
:: cholesterol less than 150.
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die earlier.
That doesn't mean that you will, however.

Carol J said:

Oh? What's their reasoning? I'd not heard that.......Just curious:-)

Carol j

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low Chol is not
good, especially in woman (iifc).

Carol J wrote:
:: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
:: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
:: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
:: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
:: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from hamburger
:: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
:: fried in lard.
::
:: Carol J
::
:: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
::: internet
::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter
::: of educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
::: personally, I
::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but
::: it may
::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
::: has always
::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near
::: finding the answer to
::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in
::: good health at all?
:::
::: Carol J
:::
:: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
:: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
:: cholesterol less than 150.
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

--
Bob in CT

Not a damned thing............lol I'm not worried about it at all....just
making the point to the poster who asked the original question is all. I
came from country folks from the hollers of Ky:-) That's how they ate back
then, that and biscuits w/gravy, sausage, BIG breakfast but my mom, she
cooked mostly carbs. We couldn't afford meat. Those pinto beans with
cornbread was sure good eats though:-)

Carol j

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Mmmm...bologna sandwiches and hotdogs and fried chicken. Well, I also had
total cholesterol below 150, but now it's beginning to rise. You have
remarkably low cholesterol, which must be at least partially hereditary.
I wouldn't worry too much about your level (worrying will kill you long
before your cholesterol level will!). And, what can you do?

Carol J said:

Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My cholesterol
currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on beans, cornbread,
fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the house Monday thru Friday,
then
bologna sandwiches every friday night, hot dogs every Saturday morning,
something from hamburger every Saturday night and the fried chicken on
Sunday night, all fried in lard.

Carol J

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
internet
but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter of
educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
personally, I
do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but it
may
be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading has
always
been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was only
148.
My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the answer
to
this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in good
health at all?

Carol J

You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've seen
articles recommending agressive therapies to get total cholesterol less
than 150.

--
Bob in CT

Anything with cornbread is good!

Carol J said:

Not a damned thing............lol I'm not worried about it at
all....just
making the point to the poster who asked the original question is all. I
came from country folks from the hollers of Ky:-) That's how they ate
back
then, that and biscuits w/gravy, sausage, BIG breakfast but my mom, she
cooked mostly carbs. We couldn't afford meat. Those pinto beans with
cornbread was sure good eats though:-)

Carol j

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Mmmm...bologna sandwiches and hotdogs and fried chicken. Well, I also
had
total cholesterol below 150, but now it's beginning to rise. You have
remarkably low cholesterol, which must be at least partially hereditary.
I wouldn't worry too much about your level (worrying will kill you long
before your cholesterol level will!). And, what can you do?

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:29:02 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
cholesterol
currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on beans,
cornbread,
fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the house Monday thru Friday,
then
bologna sandwiches every friday night, hot dogs every Saturday morning,
something from hamburger every Saturday night and the fried chicken on
Sunday night, all fried in lard.

Carol J

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
internet
but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter of
educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
personally, I
do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but it
may
be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading has
always
been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was only
148.
My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the
answer
to
this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in
good
health at all?

Carol J

You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've seen
articles recommending agressive therapies to get total cholesterol less
than 150.

--
Bob in CT

Bob in CT wrote:
:: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
:: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
:: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.

Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I think
the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has recommended here
several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the ad-hoc science away. This
should be required reading for everyone, IMO.

::
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:53:46 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: Oh? What's their reasoning? I'd not heard that.......Just
::: curious:-)
:::
::: Carol j
:::
::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
::: I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low Chol
::: is not good, especially in woman (iifc).
:::
:::
::: Carol J wrote:
::::: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
::::: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised
::::: on beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
::::: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
::::: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from hamburger
::::: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
::::: fried in lard.
:::::
::::: Carol J
:::::
::::: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
::::: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on
:::::: the internet
:::::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a
:::::: matter of educating yourself and then coming to your own
:::::: conclusion. Me personally, I
:::::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food
:::::: but it may
:::::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
:::::: has always
:::::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
:::::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near
:::::: finding the answer to
:::::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role
:::::: in good health at all?
::::::
:::::: Carol J
::::::
::::: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
::::: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
::::: cholesterol less than 150.
:::::
:::::
::::: --
::::: Bob in CT
:::
:::
:::
::
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

Carol J wrote:
:: Oh? What's their reasoning? I'd not heard that.......Just
:: curious:-)
::

Carol, I'd be doing a great injustice to even try to explain it here when
this guy as written a book on the topic. Whether you believe any of it or
not (I do), you should at least read it.

The Great Cholesterol Con: The Truth About What Really Causes Heart Disease
and How to Avoid It by Dr. Malcolm Kendrick.

www.amazon.com

:: Carol j
::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
:: I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low Chol
:: is not good, especially in woman (iifc).
::
::
:: Carol J wrote:
:::: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
:::: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
:::: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
:::: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
:::: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from hamburger
:::: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
:::: fried in lard.
::::
:::: Carol J
::::
:::: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:::: news:[email hidden]...
:::: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J
:::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::
::::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
::::: internet
::::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a
::::: matter of educating yourself and then coming to your own
::::: conclusion. Me personally, I
::::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food
::::: but it may
::::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
::::: has always
::::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
::::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near
::::: finding the answer to
::::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role
::::: in good health at all?
:::::
::::: Carol J
:::::
:::: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
:::: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
:::: cholesterol less than 150.
::::
::::
:::: --
:::: Bob in CT