high cholesterol

I could be wrong, but I believe it's called "The Great Cholesterol
Myth." As I said, I could be wrong.

Cheri

Roger Zoul wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Bob in CT wrote:
:: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
:: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
:: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.

Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I

think

Quoted message said:

the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has

recommended here

Quoted message said:

several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the ad-hoc science away.

This

Quoted message said:

should be required reading for everyone, IMO.

::
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:53:46 -0400, Carol J

<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

:: wrote:
::
::: Oh? What's their reasoning? I'd not heard that.......Just
::: curious:-)
:::
::: Carol j
:::
::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
::: I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low

Chol

Quoted message said:

::: is not good, especially in woman (iifc).
:::
:::
::: Carol J wrote:
::::: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
::::: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was

raised

Quoted message said:

::::: on beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in

the

Quoted message said:

::::: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
::::: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from

hamburger

Quoted message said:

::::: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
::::: fried in lard.
:::::
::::: Carol J
:::::
::::: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
::::: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on
:::::: the internet
:::::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a
:::::: matter of educating yourself and then coming to your own
:::::: conclusion. Me personally, I
:::::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on

food

Quoted message said:

:::::: but it may
:::::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol

reading

Quoted message said:

:::::: has always
:::::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it

was

Quoted message said:

:::::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where

near

Quoted message said:

:::::: finding the answer to
:::::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a

role

Quoted message said:

:::::: in good health at all?
::::::
:::::: Carol J
::::::
::::: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet,

I've

Quoted message said:

::::: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
::::: cholesterol less than 150.
:::::
:::::
::::: --
::::: Bob in CT
:::
:::
:::
::
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

Bob in CT wrote:
:: Mmmm...bologna sandwiches and hotdogs and fried chicken. Well, I
:: also had total cholesterol below 150, but now it's beginning to
:: rise. You have remarkably low cholesterol, which must be at least
:: partially hereditary.
:: I wouldn't worry too much about your level (worrying will kill you
:: long before your cholesterol level will!). And, what can you do?

As long as it is naturally low and not due to drug use......

As for what's hereditary...

::
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:29:02 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
::: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
::: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
::: house Monday thru Friday, then
::: bologna sandwiches every friday night, hot dogs every Saturday
::: morning, something from hamburger every Saturday night and the
::: fried chicken on Sunday night, all fried in lard.
:::
::: Carol J
:::
::: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
::: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
::: wrote:
:::
:::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
:::: internet
:::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a
:::: matter of educating yourself and then coming to your own
:::: conclusion. Me personally, I
:::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food
:::: but it may
:::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
:::: has always
:::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
:::: only 148.
:::: My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the
:::: answer to
:::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role
:::: in good health at all?
::::
:::: Carol J
::::
::: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
::: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
::: cholesterol less than 150.
:::
:::
::
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:56:25 -0400, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bob in CT wrote:
:: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
:: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
:: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.

Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I think
the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has recommended
here
several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the ad-hoc science away.
This
should be required reading for everyone, IMO.

This book is similar and good, too:

The Cholesterol Myths. New Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2000.(English)

http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/Ravnskov/index.html

I can't tell which I like better, although Dr. Ravnskov is less likely to
call people idiots (even if they rightly deserve to be called idiots).
He's more likely to phrase things that are logically inconsitencies and
fallacies as such, without necessarily going the extra step.

--
Bob in CT

See my reply to Roger. There are two books out that are similar and by
two different authors. Oh yeah, there's soon to be a third, by Gary
Taubes (sp?).

Cheri gserviceatinreachdotcom said:

I could be wrong, but I believe it's called "The Great Cholesterol
Myth." As I said, I could be wrong.

Cheri

Roger Zoul wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Bob in CT wrote:
:: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
:: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
:: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.

Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I

think

Quoted message said:

the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has

recommended here

Quoted message said:

several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the ad-hoc science away.

This

Quoted message said:

should be required reading for everyone, IMO.

::
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:53:46 -0400, Carol J

<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

:: wrote:
::
::: Oh? What's their reasoning? I'd not heard that.......Just
::: curious:-)
:::
::: Carol j
:::
::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
::: I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low

Chol

Quoted message said:

::: is not good, especially in woman (iifc).
:::
:::
::: Carol J wrote:
::::: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
::::: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was

raised

Quoted message said:

::::: on beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in

the

Quoted message said:

::::: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
::::: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from

hamburger

Quoted message said:

::::: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
::::: fried in lard.
:::::
::::: Carol J
:::::
::::: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
::::: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on
:::::: the internet
:::::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a
:::::: matter of educating yourself and then coming to your own
:::::: conclusion. Me personally, I
:::::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on

food

Quoted message said:

:::::: but it may
:::::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol

reading

Quoted message said:

:::::: has always
:::::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it

was

Quoted message said:

:::::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where

near

Quoted message said:

:::::: finding the answer to
:::::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a

role

Quoted message said:

:::::: in good health at all?
::::::
:::::: Carol J
::::::
::::: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet,

I've

Quoted message said:

::::: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
::::: cholesterol less than 150.
:::::
:::::
::::: --
::::: Bob in CT
:::
:::
:::
::
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

--
Bob in CT

Roger Zoul said:

Bob in CT wrote:
:: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
:: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
:: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.

Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I think
the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has recommended here
several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the ad-hoc science away. This
should be required reading for everyone, IMO.

On a slightly different note...

This weekend there was an article in the NYT Business section
regarding how the drug companies are having problems developing
drugs that raise HDL. I haven't look the research over, but
there seems to be research that an HDL of 60 and higher can be
protective against heart disease. It also seems that HDL is more
varied and complex than LDL. So after trying to develop drugs to
rise HDL and then running into some very serious problems, the
drug companies may be about to stop trying AND they seem to be
starting a PR campaign to start downplaying the role of HDL in
prevention.

Just be on the lookout for a PR campaign against HDL.

--
Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
-Emiliano Zapata

Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at:
http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm

OK, that's the one I was thinking of. Thanks.

Cheri

Bob in CT wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

This book is similar and good, too:

The Cholesterol Myths. New Trends Publishing, Washington DC,

2000.(English)

Quoted message said:

http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/Ravnskov/index.html

Quoted message said:

On 24 Apr 2007 03:19:57 -0700, anwen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

hello. i am doing a presentation on high cholesterol and i was
wondering if you could help me by answering this question.

does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it hireditry?

i would be delighted if you please reply to my question.
thank you.

jiml said:

Both.

Check this site:

http://www.vytorin.com/ezetimibe_simvastatin/vytorin/consumer/index.jsp

People who do NOT take statin drugs have a nasty habit of dying much
younger than people who do.

Any doctor who doesn't prescribe statins is guilty of malpractice.

Feisty and foolish,m all in one little jim1.
--
http://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html

Bob in CT wrote:
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:56:25 -0400, Roger Zoul
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Bob in CT wrote:
::::: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
::::: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
::::: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.
:::
::: Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I
::: think the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has
::: recommended here
::: several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the ad-hoc science away.
::: This
::: should be required reading for everyone, IMO.
:::
:: This book is similar and good, too:
::
:: The Cholesterol Myths. New Trends Publishing, Washington DC,
:: 2000.(English)
::
:: http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/Ravnskov/index.html
::
:: I can't tell which I like better, although Dr. Ravnskov is less
:: likely to call people idiots (even if they rightly deserve to be
:: called idiots). He's more likely to phrase things that are logically
:: inconsitencies and fallacies as such, without necessarily going the
:: extra step.
::

That's one of the first books I bought, quit a while ago... I like this
newer one much better...

RRzVRR wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::: Bob in CT wrote:
::::: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
::::: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
::::: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.
:::
::: Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I
::: think the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has
::: recommended here several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the
::: ad-hoc science away. This should be required reading for everyone,
::: IMO.
:::
::
:: On a slightly different note...
::
:: This weekend there was an article in the NYT Business section
:: regarding how the drug companies are having problems developing
:: drugs that raise HDL. I haven't look the research over, but
:: there seems to be research that an HDL of 60 and higher can be
:: protective against heart disease. It also seems that HDL is more
:: varied and complex than LDL. So after trying to develop drugs to
:: rise HDL and then running into some very serious problems, the
:: drug companies may be about to stop trying AND they seem to be
:: starting a PR campaign to start downplaying the role of HDL in
:: prevention.
::
:: Just be on the lookout for a PR campaign against HDL.

Well, I've heard the business about high HDL being good for a while. And
I've posted here about my 100+ HDL before. However, after reading "The Great
Cholesterol Con", I don't buy it any more. Frankly, IMO, the only time Chol
makes beans of difference is when it's too low.

Not that I'm going out of my way to get my HDL lower, mind you. I'm just
not going to worry about Chol anymore.

Cheri wrote:
:: OK, that's the one I was thinking of. Thanks.

I can understand being confused. There are two books who titles start out
with "The Great Cholesterol Con". That has to be confusing.

::
:: Cheri
::
::
:: Bob in CT wrote in message ...
::: This book is similar and good, too:
:::
::: The Cholesterol Myths. New Trends Publishing, Washington DC,
::: 2000.(English)
:::
::: http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/Ravnskov/index.html

Nah, I believe when it's our time, it's our time. seen too much death ( I
work in a nursing home) to be bothered by it. I just wanna have the best
quality of life while I can is all:-)

Carol J

"Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die earlier.
That doesn't mean that you will, however.

Carol J said:

Oh? What's their reasoning? I'd not heard that.......Just curious:-)

Carol j

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low Chol is not
good, especially in woman (iifc).

Carol J wrote:
:: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
:: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
:: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
:: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
:: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from hamburger
:: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
:: fried in lard.
::
:: Carol J
::
:: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
::: internet
::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a matter
::: of educating yourself and then coming to your own conclusion. Me
::: personally, I
::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food but
::: it may
::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
::: has always
::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near
::: finding the answer to
::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role in
::: good health at all?
:::
::: Carol J
:::
:: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
:: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
:: cholesterol less than 150.
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

--
Bob in CT

I do not trust drug companies. We average one a month that come and bring
us lunch just to push their drivel down our throats...........I have to go
cuz I'm in management but I hate it. Eli Lily is currently pushing their
cymbalta..........

Carol j

"RRzVRR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Roger Zoul said:

Bob in CT wrote:
:: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
:: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
:: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.

Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I think
the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has recommended
here
several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the ad-hoc science away. This
should be required reading for everyone, IMO.

On a slightly different note...

This weekend there was an article in the NYT Business section
regarding how the drug companies are having problems developing
drugs that raise HDL. I haven't look the research over, but
there seems to be research that an HDL of 60 and higher can be
protective against heart disease. It also seems that HDL is more
varied and complex than LDL. So after trying to develop drugs to
rise HDL and then running into some very serious problems, the
drug companies may be about to stop trying AND they seem to be
starting a PR campaign to start downplaying the role of HDL in
prevention.

Just be on the lookout for a PR campaign against HDL.

--
Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
-Emiliano Zapata

Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at:
http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm

I need something new to read while I'm on medical leave........I'll order
this, thanks:-)

Carol J

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Carol J wrote:
:: Oh? What's their reasoning? I'd not heard that.......Just
:: curious:-)
::

Carol, I'd be doing a great injustice to even try to explain it here when
this guy as written a book on the topic. Whether you believe any of it or
not (I do), you should at least read it.

The Great Cholesterol Con: The Truth About What Really Causes Heart Disease
and How to Avoid It by Dr. Malcolm Kendrick.

www.amazon.com

:: Carol j
::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
:: I'm no MD....but one of the books I'm reading claims that low Chol
:: is not good, especially in woman (iifc).
::
::
:: Carol J wrote:
:::: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
:::: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
:::: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
:::: house Monday thru Friday, then bologna sandwiches every friday
:::: night, hot dogs every Saturday morning, something from hamburger
:::: every Saturday night and the fried chicken on Sunday night, all
:::: fried in lard.
::::
:::: Carol J
::::
:::: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:::: news:[email hidden]...
:::: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J
:::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::
::::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
::::: internet
::::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a
::::: matter of educating yourself and then coming to your own
::::: conclusion. Me personally, I
::::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food
::::: but it may
::::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
::::: has always
::::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
::::: only 148. My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near
::::: finding the answer to
::::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role
::::: in good health at all?
:::::
::::: Carol J
:::::
:::: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
:::: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
:::: cholesterol less than 150.
::::
::::
:::: --
:::: Bob in CT

I do take percocet (2 per day) for my fibromyalgia but I don't think that
lowers cholesterol to my knowledge. I take alot of vitamins/supplements too
..............I think it's just that way naturally........

Carol j

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Bob in CT wrote:
:: Mmmm...bologna sandwiches and hotdogs and fried chicken. Well, I
:: also had total cholesterol below 150, but now it's beginning to
:: rise. You have remarkably low cholesterol, which must be at least
:: partially hereditary.
:: I wouldn't worry too much about your level (worrying will kill you
:: long before your cholesterol level will!). And, what can you do?

As long as it is naturally low and not due to drug use......

As for what's hereditary...

::
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:29:02 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
::: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
::: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
::: house Monday thru Friday, then
::: bologna sandwiches every friday night, hot dogs every Saturday
::: morning, something from hamburger every Saturday night and the
::: fried chicken on Sunday night, all fried in lard.
:::
::: Carol J
:::
::: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
::: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
::: wrote:
:::
:::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
:::: internet
:::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a
:::: matter of educating yourself and then coming to your own
:::: conclusion. Me personally, I
:::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food
:::: but it may
:::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
:::: has always
:::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
:::: only 148.
:::: My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the
:::: answer to
:::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role
:::: in good health at all?
::::
:::: Carol J
::::
::: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
::: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
::: cholesterol less than 150.
:::
:::
::
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

I never did............but I think it's funny when I was 350 lbs and folks
would be in shock when they learned how good my cholesterol levels
were.........people just assume that when you're fat, it's cuz you eat too
much fat I guess..........

Carol j

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
RRzVRR wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::: Bob in CT wrote:
::::: It's based (I think) on studies of overall death rate versus total
::::: cholesterol. People with lower total cholesterol tend to die
::::: earlier. That doesn't mean that you will, however.
:::
::: Right. But I do really, really think she should read that book. I
::: think the title is "The Great Cholesterol Con" that Bob in CT has
::: recommended here several times. IMO, the guy just blows all the
::: ad-hoc science away. This should be required reading for everyone,
::: IMO.
:::
::
:: On a slightly different note...
::
:: This weekend there was an article in the NYT Business section
:: regarding how the drug companies are having problems developing
:: drugs that raise HDL. I haven't look the research over, but
:: there seems to be research that an HDL of 60 and higher can be
:: protective against heart disease. It also seems that HDL is more
:: varied and complex than LDL. So after trying to develop drugs to
:: rise HDL and then running into some very serious problems, the
:: drug companies may be about to stop trying AND they seem to be
:: starting a PR campaign to start downplaying the role of HDL in
:: prevention.
::
:: Just be on the lookout for a PR campaign against HDL.

Well, I've heard the business about high HDL being good for a while. And
I've posted here about my 100+ HDL before. However, after reading "The Great
Cholesterol Con", I don't buy it any more. Frankly, IMO, the only time Chol
makes beans of difference is when it's too low.

Not that I'm going out of my way to get my HDL lower, mind you. I'm just
not going to worry about Chol anymore.

Carol J wrote:
:: Not a damned thing............lol I'm not worried about it at
:: all....just making the point to the poster who asked the original
:: question is all. I came from country folks from the hollers of
:: Ky:-) That's how they ate back then, that and biscuits w/gravy,
:: sausage, BIG breakfast but my mom, she cooked mostly carbs. We
:: couldn't afford meat. Those pinto beans with cornbread was sure
:: good eats though:-)

No kiddin.....

::
:: Carol j
::
:: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
:: Mmmm...bologna sandwiches and hotdogs and fried chicken. Well, I
:: also had total cholesterol below 150, but now it's beginning to
:: rise. You have remarkably low cholesterol, which must be at least
:: partially hereditary.
:: I wouldn't worry too much about your level (worrying will kill you
:: long before your cholesterol level will!). And, what can you do?
::
:: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:29:02 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: Yup, sure did. An anterior infarction, minor thankfully. My
::: cholesterol currently runs at 123. On a side note, I was raised on
::: beans, cornbread, fried potatoes and whatever veggie was in the
::: house Monday thru Friday, then
::: bologna sandwiches every friday night, hot dogs every Saturday
::: morning, something from hamburger every Saturday night and the
::: fried chicken on Sunday night, all fried in lard.
:::
::: Carol J
:::
::: "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
::: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:48 -0400, Carol J <[email hidden]>
::: wrote:
:::
:::: You will find opinions to uphold or downplay either thought on the
:::: internet
:::: but even medical professionals do not agree so it's really a
:::: matter of educating yourself and then coming to your own
:::: conclusion. Me personally, I
:::: do not think that cholesterol is elevated/lowered based on food
:::: but it may
:::: be largely heredity. I was very obese but my cholesterol reading
:::: has always
:::: been very good. Even when I had the heart attack in 99' it was
:::: only 148.
:::: My personal opinion is that medicine is no where near finding the
:::: answer to
:::: this question and in the end,will it be found to not play a role
:::: in good health at all?
::::
:::: Carol J
::::
::: You had a heart attack with a total cholesterol of 148? Yet, I've
::: seen articles recommending agressive therapies to get total
::: cholesterol less than 150.
:::
:::
::
::
::
:: --
:: Bob in CT

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On 24 Apr 2007 03:19:57 -0700, anwen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

hello. i am doing a presentation on high cholesterol and i was
wondering if you could help me by answering this question.

does high cholesterol caused by the food we eat or is it hireditry?

i would be delighted if you please reply to my question.
thank you.

jiml said:

Both.

Check this site:

http://www.vytorin.com/ezetimibe_simvastatin/vytorin/consumer/index.jsp

People who do NOT take statin drugs have a nasty habit of dying much
younger than people who do.

Any doctor who doesn't prescribe statins is guilty of malpractice.

Feisty and foolish,m all in one little jim1.

Indeed. Taking what you're told on faith can damage your health. Beware of
drug companies and god-botherers.

Carol J said:

I do not trust drug companies. We average one a month that come and bring
us lunch just to push their drivel down our throats...........I have to go
cuz I'm in management but I hate it. Eli Lily is currently pushing their
cymbalta..........

Carol j

I understand the cost of research and development and high price
for drugs, but you have to wonder just how much the public ends
up paying to cover the marketing cost of drugs.

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Roger Zoul said:

RRzVRR wrote:

Quoted message said:

:: On a slightly different note...
::
:: This weekend there was an article in the NYT Business section
:: regarding how the drug companies are having problems developing
:: drugs that raise HDL. I haven't look the research over, but
:: there seems to be research that an HDL of 60 and higher can be
:: protective against heart disease. It also seems that HDL is more
:: varied and complex than LDL. So after trying to develop drugs to
:: rise HDL and then running into some very serious problems, the
:: drug companies may be about to stop trying AND they seem to be
:: starting a PR campaign to start downplaying the role of HDL in
:: prevention.
::
:: Just be on the lookout for a PR campaign against HDL.

Well, I've heard the business about high HDL being good for a while. And
I've posted here about my 100+ HDL before. However, after reading "The Great
Cholesterol Con", I don't buy it any more. Frankly, IMO, the only time Chol
makes beans of difference is when it's too low.

Not that I'm going out of my way to get my HDL lower, mind you. I'm just
not going to worry about Chol anymore.

I'm not sure if my elevated HDL (70+) will help me or not.
Frankly I believe the main issue is inflammation -- likely linked
to glucose levels to some degree.

It just amazes me how far the pharma companies will go to
mis-educate the public. If they can't make a pill to have raise
HDL, then they'll try and convince the public that a raised HDL
is not helpful, when in fact it might. Its one thing to try and
persuade us to want something we don't need, its another to
persuade us against something we already have or can have without
drugs. That's not to mention who the pharma companies are taking
'stabs' at playing around with the publics chemistry just to
see one aspect change without any understanding of how the whole
mix works.

It would be interesting to know if LCer's on average have higher
HDL readings than the general public.

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RRzVRR wrote:
:: Carol J wrote:
::: I do not trust drug companies. We average one a month that come
::: and bring us lunch just to push their drivel down our
::: throats...........I have to go cuz I'm in management but I hate it.
::: Eli Lily is currently pushing their cymbalta..........
:::
::: Carol j
:::
::
:: I understand the cost of research and development and high price
:: for drugs, but you have to wonder just how much the public ends
:: up paying to cover the marketing cost of drugs.

Hey, R&D for drugs costs a lot, but then too, they make a lot of profit. So
when they blow steam about these costs, then should be talking too about how
profitable it is for them to engage in "high profit" activities.