Heart Rate Zone



yoyo583 said:
Alright if we are not talking about TDF and are talking about FG Classification. According to the post we were talking about TDF.
Say what now?:confused:

The post was refering to the Tour de France and you came out with a top 10 that was incorrect? If you weren't refering to Final General classification, what were you refering to? Honestly I'm confused here!:)
 
ric_stern/RST said:
who said i have to work with people in Wales? You can't even quote properly, read my name correctly, and can't quote the TdF finish list correctly?

I suggest that not only do you listen to me, but the others on the forum too, before shooting your mouth off.

ric
Well this post make no sense. If you are questioning the TDF list please see the list at http://www.letour.fr/2006/TDF/LIVE/us/-10100/index.html. As for the rest of the post, you lost me.
 
Jono L said:
Say what now?:confused:

The post was refering to the Tour de France and you came out with a top 10 that was incorrect? If you weren't refering to Final General classification, what were you refering to? Honestly I'm confused here!:)

ME TOO!
 
yoyo583 said:
Well, my top 10 is the Final General Classification, no dsipute here. Where the hell is your "top 10" from?? It' not last year, it's not a TT, is it a stage finish? C'mon now, what were you quoting eh?:)
 
Well I just checked the link provided by the appropriately named "Yoyo" and it links to the pre-race interview page.

No top 10 results to be seen anywhere on that page.

[Edit] I've found the Top 10 results he is referring to....they are the results for STAGE 17.
 
yoyo583 said:
Hey Tyson,
Sorry for your loss. The guys I had that experience problems were actually prior SEALs in their 40's. They lived a hard life, obviously, but in the end their deaths were due to stroke and heart failure. You're right. The heart is a muscle however there is such a thing as damaging a muscle.

If you have been training all your life, Sir and are outside the Zone 3, then continue on. Everyone is different and thus the zone training is intended as a framework to encourage people to train but within reason. Only you know your body and if you are comfortable training your heart outside zone 3 and aren't experiencing chest pain, lightheadedness, ect... then you should be fine.

My only caution to you would be to listen to your body while training. My parents are in their 60's and my mom is a doctor. She is able to bike 14 miles with me up in the mountains and I know most people her age would die from this. But her condition and training exceeds the standard for her age. All I would say is find a balance and listen. There is that drive to exceed but that must be kept within reason and one must ensure they push themselve while still ensuring they are capable of going the distance. Unfortenately, we all get older and the only thing we can control is how we age. It sounds like you've got the clock beat.

James
www.trailheadperformance.com
Of course you can "damage" a muscle but not normally through training hard (And correctly) and certainly not permanentally as you are implying.

I'm a little confused here; first you say one shouldn't continuously train outside of zone 1-3, then you tell me to go ahead. So which is it? I know we are all different, but how do you decide?

Then you mention chest pain. Did the 2 people you are talking about experience chest pain at times. To me it is obvious chest pains are a sign of something possibly amiss and should be investigated.
And with regard to lightheadiness, are you talking about during training or after a heavy workout sitting on the sofa when you get home. I might be wrong here and I hope someone will correct me if I am, but I think it is fairly common to experience lightheadiness if one gets up from the sofa too quickly after a hard workout.

And finally you quote your mother as being able to do 14 miles in the mountains. What is the significance of that statement? In June this year at the age of 63 I completed a 100 miles ride/race on a tough mountainous course. Last Saturday RapDaddyo completed a 17 mile climb up Mt. Charleston in Nevada leaving many youngsters in his wake. There are others, some in their 70s doing the same sort of thing all over the world. Believe me it's no big deal these days. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to see exactly where you're coming from. ;) TYSON
 
yoyo583 said:
So help me out. I have a HRM and can see that when I am running my top HR is 180 BPM. Now how do I calculate to find out what my MaxHR is?
That's a good question Pooh. Gotta sit and think. Hmmm....
 
yoyo583 said:
Then what formula do you use to calculate max HR if you are just using a HRM? How are you calculating this?


The formula I used was to go all out as hard as you can until I fell over. Thank god the medics brought me back to life, I looked then at my HR data and now I know my Max HR limit :eek: , I try to stay away from that now. :D :D


Actually my doctor/surgeon(a cyclist/marathon runner) had me do a stress test on a tread mill and my max was 214, so I guess Im only about 6-8 years old :eek: My wife tells me sometimes I act like a child :) He never told me about damaging my heart, he must not know what he's doing in the operating room, but I thanked him when he brought me back to life, then I said, hey doc, what was my max HR. :)
 
yoyo583 said:
Hey Jeff,
Thanks for the post. Unforentaley, 220 is the standard and unless you have been to the lab for testing.
I like this formula here a bit better : MaxHR = 209 - (.587 * age)

Tough he result is a bit higher than the traditional 220-age, some (if not many) will still find that it underestimates their MaxHR
 
I base all of my training zones on the 220 - AGE formula. Also, I do all supplemental training on a stability ball just like on the infomercials.



** Note: see Sarcasm **
 
Doctor Morbius said:
I base all of my training zones on the 220 - AGE formula. Also, I do all supplemental training on a stability ball just like on the infomercials.



** Note: see Sarcasm **
Have you tried weight control using "Ab Roller"? It only takes 5min per day :D
 
Sillyoldtwit said:
If I may give you 3 examples that I personally have witnessed.

When I was in my 20s, a 23 year old friend who had been running with us for some time, suddenly collapsed after 300 metres of a cross country race with a stroke.

Later in my 40s, a 44 year old friend who ran 11 miles to work everyday and 11 miles back, one evening after returning home he collapsed and died from a massive heart attack. The doctors said, if he hadn't been running all his life he would probably have died some years before.

Another 50 year old friend Danny collapsed and died in front of us after a 4 mile run. Danny always sweated profusely on the runs and finished red faced and out of breath. Although he had been running since his teens, he probably wasn't genetically suited to exerting himself to level he did.

I ignored all these events and continued to train hard - harder than the above 3. I'm now 64 and training just as hard, yet in a different sport.
I feel that to say a couple of people you know died through training outside of HR zones 1-3 is scaremongering and might be interpreted by some as a good reason for reducing their present effort, thereby stunting their progress.

I'm no scientist, but I've always believed it is impossible to damage the heart which after all is only a muscle through hard training.Please correct me if I'm wrong. TYSON

Tyson, cool it, your scaring me :confused: , didnt realize exercise was a hazzard to your health, I dont want to be exercising and fall over, maybe just be a couch potato & dropping dead is better. So now what can I do to improve my life? Exercise will kill ya, being sedatary will kill ya :rolleyes: heck Im going to vegas to see RD & gamble. :D
 
jeff828 said:
Tyson, cool it, your scaring me :confused: , didnt realize exercise was a hazzard to your health, I dont want to be exercising and fall over, maybe just be a couch potato & dropping dead is better. So now what can I do to improve my life? Exercise will kill ya, being sedatary will kill ya :rolleyes: heck Im going to vegas to see RD & gamble. :D
LOL Didn't mean to scare you Jeff. I should have pointed out that the aforementioned were just 3 among thousands of runners etc. I've come across.
If you're still worried, remember, everything in moderation unless you have my superior genes or you want to die doing something you really enjoy.:D

Actually, I forgot to tell you about another friend I used to run with (this is true), he took up cycling and one day he climbed a moderate hill as he had done many many times before. When he got to the traffic lights at the top he stopped, collapsed and went to join the great runners/cyclists in the sky. He was just 40! If that doesn't scare you - nothing will.;)

The problem with most of these stories is that in most cases we don't know the health background of these guys. Yes, fit they were, at least on the surface but did they have any signs before and just kept quiet thinking it was nothing? Were they actually born with some defect which manifested itself much later in life. And had their participation in sport kept them going longer than they would have kept going had they led a sedentary lifestyle?

Well, that should empty the forums a bit. It was getting too crowded in here anyway!:D

Oh, I forgot to mention - non of the above unfortunate characters trained above Zone 3. That much I do know. TYSON
 
Sillyoldtwit said:
Actually, I forgot to tell you about another friend I used to run with (this is true), he took up cycling and one day he climbed a moderate hill as he had done many many times before. When he got to the traffic lights at the top he stopped, collapsed and went to join the great runners/cyclists in the sky. He was just 40! If that doesn't scare you - nothing will.;)
Dang! I was just thanking my lucky stars that I'd given up running for cycling. ;)

So, I guess the only common factor we have to go on is that they all trained with Tyson. Count him as a risk factor. :p
 
Sillyoldtwit said:
LOL Didn't mean to scare you Jeff. I should have pointed out that the aforementioned were just 3 among thousands of runners etc. I've come across.
If you're still worried, remember, everything in moderation unless you have my superior genes or you want to die doing something you really enjoy.:D

Actually, I forgot to tell you about another friend I used to run with (this is true), he took up cycling and one day he climbed a moderate hill as he had done many many times before. When he got to the traffic lights at the top he stopped, collapsed and went to join the great runners/cyclists in the sky. He was just 40! If that doesn't scare you - nothing will.;)

The problem with most of these stories is that in most cases we don't know the health background of these guys. Yes, fit they were, at least on the surface but did they have any signs before and just kept quiet thinking it was nothing? Were they actually born with some defect which manifested itself much later in life. And had their participation in sport kept them going longer than they would have kept going had they led a sedentary lifestyle?

Well, that should empty the forums a bit. It was getting too crowded in here anyway!:D

Oh, I forgot to mention - non of the above unfortunate characters trained above Zone 3. That much I do know. TYSON

Stop it, no more true stories. :( But if you make one up I'll listen :)
 
Hi James,

Any particular reason when I go to the NASM web-site and check to see whether you are currently certified that there is no record of a James Ralph for Colorado?

PW
 
pwebster said:
Hi James,

Any particular reason when I go to the NASM web-site and check to see whether you are currently certified that there is no record of a James Ralph for Colorado?

PW
Man,

This has to be the BEST troll that I have ever seen.

Awesome job, whoever you are...

Jim
 
yoyo583 said:
That is true. We prefer to reference the individual however, even when with the individual we always start with the standard until they prove differently. My degree is in Sport Science and I am certified with NASM. If you click on the Bike Club you will find some of the training sessions that we provide to the common bikers, however, we specialize in one on one training with the individual. This type of training is only offered to a select few and thus is not advertised.
At least your forum name is correct yo-yo. No wonder the US Olympic team is in a state of disarray.................
 
otb4evr said:
Man,

This has to be the BEST troll that I have ever seen.

Awesome job, whoever you are...

Jim

Dont you mean the BEST troll you have never seen. :D