heart attacks?

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Top Gear went downhill *totally* when that twit took over.

Agreed.. but it's not something I generally watch and only occasionally
used to catch a glimpse of while flicking across channels. Between one
glimpse and the next it seemed Clarkson had taken over Top Gear and turned
it into its current completely stupid format, and all the other 'old'
presenters - at least, Tiff ' and Vicky ' had buggered off to do Channel
5's Fifth Gear. Don't know how all that came about..

The BBC decided that Top Gear in it's previous guise, which consisted of
various middle class twits and [censored] like Tiff, Quentin and Vicky speeding
about in a variety of highly priced cars which are beyond the reach of most
of this country's populace, was a dated format. For once, I applude the BBC.
C5 lazily enticed all the Top Gear presenters over to them to copy, lock
stock and barrel, the old BBC format.

Unlike most who have commented on this thread so far, I actual quite like
the current Top Gear format - it's more entertaining than the old show,
which
you can still see on C5. I dont have any interest in cars at all,
incidently.

As for Clarkson, yes he's an arrogant big [censored], but you have to take
everything
he says with a dump-truck-fill of salt. He went up in my estimation when he
did the IK Brunel programme on the BBC - he showed a wide knowledge
and appreciation of a subject other than motoring. I had thought he'd make
an [censored] of it, given his usual comments on things like trains.

James H

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Probably, he was referring to this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3761012.stm

....and applying his usual level of logic. What the
study in question showed was that the level of risk
of a heart attack increased more for cyclists in a
traffic jam than it did for motorists.

Quite. I read:
"Heart attacks were 2.6 times more common for people stuck in cars ...
and 3.9 times greater for cyclists."

as meaning that a cyclist who gets stuck in traffic is 3.9 times as
likely to suffer a heart attack within the hour as a cyclist who doesn't
get stuck in traffic, while a motorist who gets stuck in traffic is 2.6
times as likely to suffer a heart attack as one who doesn't.

It says nothing about cyclists being any more or less likely than
motorists to suffer a heart attack.

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
<URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

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He is a loud-mouthed, lard-arsed, smoking (ex smoking?) wazzok who, like
most playground ejits, can't ever say or do anything constructive.

I'd be tempted to insert the word "professional" before the other
adjectives: I suspect he's developed a character which pays him a great
deal of money, and he tends to stick to it. But I've never met him, and
never watch TG, so WDIK!

ISTR reading somewhere that he and his wife both cycle.

--
Mark, UK.
We hope to hear him swear, we love to hear him squeak,
We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:00:19 -0000, "J Houston" <[email hidden]>

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I actual quite like
the current Top Gear format - it's more entertaining than the old show,

Damning with faint praise...

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:00:19 -0000, "J Houston" <[email hidden]>

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I actual quite like
the current Top Gear format - it's more entertaining than the old show,

Damning with faint praise...

Indeed.

James H

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Response to Succorso:

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He is a loud-mouthed, lard-arsed, smoking (ex smoking?) wazzok who, like
most playground ejits, can't ever say or do anything constructive.

I'd be tempted to insert the word "professional" before the other
adjectives: I suspect he's developed a character which pays him a great
deal of money, and he tends to stick to it. But I've never met him, and
never watch TG, so WDIK!

ISTR reading somewhere that he and his wife both cycle.

Yes I believe he does or has.
http://uk.geocities.com/mikstar123/bykekultuur21.html

"Jeremy Clarkson Rides a Bicycle
In an article in, "The Sunday Times Magazine," 9th May 2004, columnists A.A.
Gill and Jeremy Clarkson reported on a visit to Amsterdam.
The least likely aspect of the report was Jeremy Clarkson riding a bicycle
in the city, "...I'd love to tell you it was ghastly, and that if God had
meant us to pedal he wouldn't have given us the internal combustion engine.
But, sadly, I loved it." "

He makes a lot of money being a big-mouth so good luck to him.

An essential part of being a presenter is not to boring, and the fact he is
a household
name says it all.

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Mark, UK.
We hope to hear him swear, we love to hear him squeak,
We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

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Maybe there are laws there of which we know nothing. We do know many
Germans won't jay-walk across an empty road.

You mean, there might be a law that cyclists in Germany have to wait their
turn in the queue just like all the cars, instead of filtering between the
lanes to the lights? And they actually _follow_ that rule?? Seems it
could be a case of 'it's cycling, Jim, but not as we know it...' 😉

Rich

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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:00:19 -0000, "J Houston" <[email hidden]>

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I actual quite like
the current Top Gear format - it's more entertaining than the old show,

Damning with faint praise...

Indeed.

By and large it is a very entertaining program considering the other
options on terrestial TV, the show is as much about people as
cars.
An hour of technical car talk will not draw much of an audiance.

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James H

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Maybe there are laws there of which we know nothing. We do know many
Germans won't jay-walk across an empty road.

You mean, there might be a law that cyclists in Germany have to wait their
turn in the queue just like all the cars, instead of filtering between the
lanes to the lights? And they actually _follow_ that rule?? Seems it
could be a case of 'it's cycling, Jim, but not as we know it...' 😉

You have to remember the Germans are not like us, they like
and ordered system.
Mind you I didn't think the continentals queued anyway.

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Rich

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Probably, he was referring to this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3761012.stm

....and applying his usual level of logic. What the
study in question showed was that the level of risk
of a heart attack increased more for cyclists in a
traffic jam than it did for motorists.

Quite. I read:
"Heart attacks were 2.6 times more common for people stuck in cars ...
and 3.9 times greater for cyclists."

as meaning that a cyclist who gets stuck in traffic is 3.9 times as
likely to suffer a heart attack within the hour as a cyclist who doesn't
get stuck in traffic, while a motorist who gets stuck in traffic is 2.6
times as likely to suffer a heart attack as one who doesn't.

It says nothing about cyclists being any more or less likely than
motorists to suffer a heart attack.

It is unclear what it is saying, I don't think your interpretation
is correct but who knows?

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Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
<URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:45:22 -0000, "Richard Goodman"
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You mean, there might be a law that cyclists in Germany have to wait their
turn in the queue just like all the cars, instead of filtering between the
lanes to the lights?

No, but back in the 1930s they built a lot of cycle lanes to clear the
cyclists out of the way of more "progressive" modes of transport.
Where these lanes exist I believe it is still illegal for them to ride
anywhere else, but ICBW.

I hesitate to mention this, because the party responsible was the
party of Godwin...

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

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>I actual quite like
>the current Top Gear format - it's more entertaining than the old show,
Damning with faint praise...

Indeed.

By and large it is a very entertaining program considering the other
options on terrestial TV,

More faint praise...

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

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No, but back in the 1930s they built a lot of cycle lanes to clear the
cyclists out of the way of more "progressive" modes of transport.
Where these lanes exist I believe it is still illegal for them to ride
anywhere else, but ICBW.

Hmm, I could see that being stressful enough to bring on heart attacks even
without traffic jams 😉

Rich

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Maybe there are laws there of which we know nothing. We do know many
Germans won't jay-walk across an empty road.

You mean, there might be a law that cyclists in Germany have to wait their
turn in the queue just like all the cars, instead of filtering between the
lanes to the lights? And they actually _follow_ that rule?? Seems it
could be a case of 'it's cycling, Jim, but not as we know it...' 😉

Perhaps they do. A colleague who visited Germany for the first time was
going to cross a road. There was no traffic, so he stepped out, not
bothering with the traffic signals. He was hauled back to the pavement
by his German companions who said "We don't do that here". So they all
waited for the green "walk" signal.

--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

Danny Colyer said:

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Probably, he was referring to this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3761012.stm

....and applying his usual level of logic. What the
study in question showed was that the level of risk
of a heart attack increased more for cyclists in a
traffic jam than it did for motorists.

Quite. I read:
"Heart attacks were 2.6 times more common for people stuck in cars ...
and 3.9 times greater for cyclists."

as meaning that a cyclist who gets stuck in traffic is 3.9 times as
likely to suffer a heart attack within the hour as a cyclist who doesn't
get stuck in traffic, while a motorist who gets stuck in traffic is 2.6
times as likely to suffer a heart attack as one who doesn't.

It says nothing about cyclists being any more or less likely than
motorists to suffer a heart attack.

'Zackly - and I think that gives us the answer. Motorists are already
at a higher risk of a heart attack so getting stuck in a jam doesn't put
the risk up by much. With cyclists having a lower risk rate anyway, a
tiny increase will give be a larger percentage rise.

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Actually I love traffic jams!!
I enjoy breezeing past hundreds of queueing cars.
If there is no room to pass on the left I pass on there right
(traffic jams are usually only on one side of the road).
Failing that I use the pavement.

Its generally best to pass on the right regardless. You are less likely
to get caught out by someone opening a door on you and you get to ride
past the drivers which will torment them more!

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If you are one of those cyclists who frown on cycling
on the pavement, jumping red lights etc... then maybe they
are more prone to stress. My advice is lighten up and
break the rules a bit.

Would you feel the same way about a driver taking your advice? Take
comfort in the fact that you will still reach your destination faster
without having to "break the rules". I don't get stressed by cyclists
who break the rules, I just wait for the inevitable squeal of tyres! :-)

Jon

J Houston [email hidden] opined the following...

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As for Clarkson, yes he's an arrogant big [censored], but you have to take
everything
he says with a dump-truck-fill of salt. He went up in my estimation when he
did the IK Brunel programme on the BBC - he showed a wide knowledge
and appreciation of a subject other than motoring. I had thought he'd make
an [censored] of it, given his usual comments on things like trains.

My enduring memory of Clarkson was him taking the Toyota Corolla out for
a spin after it had just been voted Britains' favourite car (Or some-
such!). He was looking for faults but failing to find any. Eventually he
parked it in a field (with the camera set up so that it filled the
screen) and said "This is my problem with this car" and walked off
camera.

After 30 seconds of staring at a stationary car, he walked back on,
grimaced and said "It's boring!".

I don't like his attitudes, but I did find him quite entertaining.

Jon

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half_pint [email hidden] opined the following...

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Actually I love traffic jams!!
I enjoy breezeing past hundreds of queueing cars.
If there is no room to pass on the left I pass on there right
(traffic jams are usually only on one side of the road).
Failing that I use the pavement.

Its generally best to pass on the right regardless. You are less likely
to get caught out by someone opening a door on you and you get to ride
past the drivers which will torment them more!

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If you are one of those cyclists who frown on cycling
on the pavement, jumping red lights etc... then maybe they
are more prone to stress. My advice is lighten up and
break the rules a bit.

Would you feel the same way about a driver taking your advice? Take
comfort in the fact that you will still reach your destination faster
without having to "break the rules". I don't get stressed by cyclists
who break the rules, I just wait for the inevitable squeal of tyres! :-)

You will be a long time waiting, in my case at least. I only jump red
lights when it is safe to so, most dirvers do not drive bad enough to
actually mount the pavement (usually).

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Jon

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half_pint [email hidden] opined the following...

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Actually I love traffic jams!!
I enjoy breezeing past hundreds of queueing cars.
If there is no room to pass on the left I pass on there right
(traffic jams are usually only on one side of the road).
Failing that I use the pavement.

Its generally best to pass on the right regardless. You are less likely
to get caught out by someone opening a door on you and you get to ride
past the drivers which will torment them more!

Quoted message said:

If you are one of those cyclists who frown on cycling
on the pavement, jumping red lights etc... then maybe they
are more prone to stress. My advice is lighten up and
break the rules a bit.

Would you feel the same way about a driver taking your advice? Take
comfort in the fact that you will still reach your destination faster
without having to "break the rules". I don't get stressed by cyclists
who break the rules, I just wait for the inevitable squeal of tyres! :-)

However drivers do not need to 'break the rules'.
The rules were designed by motorists for motorists, the lives of cyclists
and pedestrians are secondary.
Some streets have been reclaimed but there is a long long way to go.
..

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Jon

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A quick googling has left me none the wiser. Does anyone know to what he was
referring?

Probably yet another fantasy about cycling that is a total twisting of reality.
Who knows what goes on in the retarded amoeba that is the woolly-haired w*nker.
Top Gear went downhill *totally* when that twit took over.

I watched the other week, to keep up with the views of the extreme
petrolhead community. And someone had said our companies products were
on it (they weren't).

Gawd, he'd be a good self paradoy, if he wasn't so serious.

And those other two monkeys. Who the hell are they? According to Mrs.
Hall the taller one is what Clarkson would look like if played by
Stephen Fry.

Tim