heart attacks?

Just zis Guy said:

On 6 Dec 2004 04:07:42 -0800, [email hidden] wrote:

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Probably, he was referring to this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3761012.stm
...and applying his usual level of logic.

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Indeed. Because when there was a study of risk of coronary heart
disease in cyclists, it was found that they had lower levels of CHD
than people who took their exercise in gyms.

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http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/images/fitness-club-escalator.jpg

for a possible reason...
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half_pint said:

Why make laws to please people who are retarded?

Because we have to keep you happy.

You are the one who is happy sunshine, you attention span at its
limit again?

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Yes the HC does mention cyclists but it our roads were built almost
exclusively
for motorists.

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Such great foresight our remote ancestors had... or was it that roads
were only invented a hundred or so years ago? I forget.

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Not too sure what you mean by that, most modern roads are built almost
exclusively for cars.

By far the most serious design constraints on modern roads are those
imposed by lorries, so it would be more true to say that modern roads
are built for lorries, and it so happens that what works for lorries
is quite usable by cars. And, it so happens, is often quite usable by
bicycles. And it so happens, is often quite usable by pedestrians.

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Why shouldn't you cycle on the pavement when you are causing
no inconvienience to anyone except for some 'jobsworth'?
Prams and push chairs are allowed on pavements.

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It also leads to the mentality "Well, if that cyclist is breaking the
law by cycling on the pavement, he/she can't object to me breaking the
law by driving in the cycle lane/speeding/etc."

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Only an idiot (who should not be driving) would form that opinion.

And until the law prevents idiots from driving that will continue to
be a serious problem.

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half_pint wrote:

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> Yes the HC does mention cyclists but it our roads were built almost
> exclusively
> for motorists.

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Such great foresight our remote ancestors had... or was it that roads
were only invented a hundred or so years ago? I forget.

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Not too sure what you mean by that, most modern roads are built almost
exclusively for cars.

By far the most serious design constraints on modern roads are those
imposed by lorries, so it would be more true to say that modern roads
are built for lorries, and it so happens that what works for lorries
is quite usable by cars. And, it so happens, is often quite usable by
bicycles. And it so happens, is often quite usable by pedestrians.

They certaintly were not designed for cyclists thats for sure

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Just zis Guy said:

On 6 Dec 2004 04:07:42 -0800, [email hidden] wrote:

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Probably, he was referring to this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3761012.stm
...and applying his usual level of logic.

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Indeed. Because when there was a study of risk of coronary heart
disease in cyclists, it was found that they had lower levels of CHD
than people who took their exercise in gyms.

See

http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/images/fitness-club-escalator.jpg

for a possible reason...

LOL I didn't really notice anything unusual when I first looked at the
picture, as I just glanced a it.
However it is clear that there are escalators providing acess to the
gym and the escalotors are being used.
I have never seen outdoor escalators before.
I am not sure if they are real (functioning) escalators though.

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:06:04 -0000, "half_pint"
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They certaintly were not designed for cyclists thats for sure

If they were they would cost a fraction of the price. Apart from the
tunnels under every hill, of course.

Guy
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around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:15:52 -0000, "half_pint"
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How many old folk were killed by child cyclist last year? Answer zero.

Or more. The figures posted cover only pedestrians on roads and
footways.

Guy
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blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

MartinM said:

one particularly annoying Roodedoo* driver comment I get is "why do we have
to give you 6 feet of clearance when you give us 6 inches?"

* rabbit speak for cars from Watership Down;

I believe that would be "hrududu".

I can't believe I'm correcting rabbit spelling :-/

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Anybody here - other than me - actually *had* a heart attack on a
bicycle?

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:59:03 GMT, Huw Lynes <[email hidden]>

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So I was watching Top Gear last night (yes, I know, but it's entertaining in a
juvenile way) when Clarkson made an off-hand comment about something in the
news proving that cyclists are more likely to suffer heart attacks than
motorists.

A quick googling has left me none the wiser. Does anyone know to what he was
referring?

monotreme (as username) said:

Anybody here - other than me - actually *had* a heart attack on a
bicycle?

Not yet. ISTM, however, that if your heart is ready to pop cycling
might be a good way to precipitate the crisis.

--
Dave...

dkahn400 said:

monotreme (as username) said:

Anybody here - other than me - actually *had* a heart attack on a
bicycle?

Not yet. ISTM, however, that if your heart is ready to pop cycling
might be a good way to precipitate the crisis.

Everyone is at significantly higher risk while exercising but the
consequent reduced risk the rest of the time more than compensates to
make exercising overall a beneficial activity.

Tony

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my interest in rabbits, on a public ng? wouldn't share my Cottontail with
anyone ;-)

I hope you're not a Flopsy Bunny ;-)

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I hope you're not a Flopsy Bunny ;-)

A British Giant as opposed to a Dwarf Lopo ;-)

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My cardiologist is sceptical of what he calls 'vigorous exercise'.
Essentially, his position is that the risk/benefit borderline will
vary from individual to individual and that the average statistics for
a group might tempt an 'outlier' into risky behaviour. My one-off,
11-mile cycle commute during a one-day train strike would appear to
have been exactly that. Had I been a regular cycle commuter the event
might not have happened. Until later.

I tend to disagree with his view on exercise even though he took a dim
view of me running half marathons ('running' as in 2h!). I haven't yet
mentioned to him the 122km over the Pennines that I cycled a month
back.

Now diagnosed and remedied, I am in a cohort which can expect a
greater life exectancy than those chaps who haven't had their warning
yet.... :-))

Pete

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:37:24 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

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dkahn400 said:

monotreme (as username) said:

Anybody here - other than me - actually *had* a heart attack on a
bicycle?

Not yet. ISTM, however, that if your heart is ready to pop cycling
might be a good way to precipitate the crisis.

Everyone is at significantly higher risk while exercising but the
consequent reduced risk the rest of the time more than compensates to
make exercising overall a beneficial activity.

Tony

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:33:12 +0000, monotreme <(as
username)@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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My cardiologist is sceptical of what he calls 'vigorous exercise'.
Essentially, his position is that the risk/benefit borderline will
vary from individual to individual and that the average statistics for
a group might tempt an 'outlier' into risky behaviour.

A perceptive chap. I can't remember the name of the paper (I could
look it up but that would mean putting down this rather nice glass of
Fullers 1845) that found a benefit in utility cyclists which was
visible even between cycling and non-cycling gym users.

Oh alright then. It was Andersen LB, Schnohr P, Schroll M, Hein HO,
All-Cause Mortality Associated With Physical Activity During Leisure
Time, Work, Sports, and Cycling to Work. Arch Intern Med. 2000;
160:1621-1628, but the clarification on the differential benefit also
being observed in sportsmen was a personal communication with Dr
Richard Keatinge, cited in the Irish Medical Times of 6/8/2004.

Guy
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"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:37:24 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

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Everyone is at significantly higher risk while exercising but the
consequent reduced risk the rest of the time more than compensates to
make exercising overall a beneficial activity.

Quite so. A regular cyclist is less likely to suffer a heart attack
than a sedentary person, but it would not be surprising to learn that
a cyclist who suffers one is much more likely to do so while riding or
shortly after than a non-cycling motorist who suffers one is likely to
while or shortly after driving.

Something along these lines appears to have been interpreted by JC to
mean a cyclist is more likely to have a heart attack than a motorist.

--
Dave...

Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain

monotreme said:

My cardiologist is sceptical of what he calls 'vigorous exercise'.
Essentially, his position is that the risk/benefit borderline will
vary from individual to individual and that the average statistics for
a group might tempt an 'outlier' into risky behaviour.

Did he have a workable definition of what at "outlier" might look like
ab initio, or was this just a post-hoc pigeonholing of the unlucky ones?

James
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If I have seen further than others, it is
by treading on the toes of giants.
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monotreme said:

My cardiologist is sceptical of what he calls 'vigorous exercise'.
Essentially, his position is that the risk/benefit borderline will
vary from individual to individual and that the average statistics for
a group might tempt an 'outlier' into risky behaviour.

Did he have a workable definition of what at "outlier" might look like

I assume he means someone who is at risk of a heart attack and just happens
to be taking part in a risky activity at the time. The man who died on
Ditchling Beacon whilst pushing his bike up during the L2B a few years ago
would be a typical example. It could of course equally have happened walking
to the office from the car park, but may also never have happened at all, it
was pure chance..

J Houston said:

Again, I think both of them are quite entertaining as presenters. They tend
to keep quoting horsepower figures etc of cars they're reviewing to a
minimum, which helps. James May definately has a touch of the Stephen
Fry about him, though...

Is that bad?