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  1. Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall. I
    have tried but failed to Google the RocLoc website, to ask them directly if
    they do any higher sizes than the ones I saw in Halfords.

    My questions:-

    What is the web address of RocLoc?

    Are there any other manufacturers or suppliers of cycling headgear in
    Britain? If so, what are the web addresses?

    Can you make any other suggestion to solve my problem?

    Many thanks [censored] Chambers Leeds UK.

  2. "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am
    64 years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my
    back and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next
    project will be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire
    bicycles. I shall be going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to
    Halfords, and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit
    at all, was uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event
    of a fall. I have tried but failed to Google the RocLoc website, to ask
    them directly if they do any higher sizes than the ones I saw in Halfords.

    My questions:-

    What is the web address of RocLoc?

    Are there any other manufacturers or suppliers of cycling headgear in
    Britain? If so, what are the web addresses?

    Can you make any other suggestion to solve my problem?

    Many thanks [censored] Chambers Leeds UK.

    AFAIK "RocLoc" is the trademark of Giro's retention system, so the
    manufacturer you're looking for is Giro. There are many other equally worthy
    brands of helmet manufacturers, and if you must have a helmet the best
    advice is that you go to the best-stocked full-service bike shop you can
    find and try them all on. Good fit isn't just a matter of circumference, but
    of shape, and this will vary from model to model, as will they systems they
    use to compensate for different head shapes (stick-on pads, adjustable
    straps, various internal suspensions, all that).

    A salesperson who understands how to fit a helmet is a rare but useful
    accessory to the process.

    Spend as little as you can. More money buys no additional protection. The
    most protection comes from alert, assertive, vehicular cycling that is based
    on understand the true dangers rather than avoiding the imaginary ones...
    but I won't get into that with a returning part-time cyclist. Get the
    cheapest helmet that fits, don't worry about falling down, and have a good
    time!

    R

  3. censored Chambers said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall. I
    have tried but failed to Google the RocLoc website, to ask them directly if
    they do any higher sizes than the ones I saw in Halfords.

    We share a problem there since I am the same head size. In the summer I
    go without a helmet but wear the largest sports cap I can find, out to
    it's last adjust point, for the visor to keep my eyes from the direct
    sun. In the winter, I got lucky and found a Giro ski helmet which is
    total overkill for a bicycle but keeps my ears warm and fits very snug.
    It is a large and barely fits so I think that maybe they had planned for
    a ski mask and other stuff under the helmet.
    I know nothing of RocLoc and you may indeed find a problem with a normal
    bicycle helmet. One idea would be to find a motorcycle or ski shop and
    find out what they have that might fit.
    I'm in California so it's a different world for me.
    Best of luck.
    Bill Baka

    Quoted message said:


    My questions:-

    What is the web address of RocLoc?

    Are there any other manufacturers or suppliers of cycling headgear in
    Britain? If so, what are the web addresses?

    Can you make any other suggestion to solve my problem?

    Many thanks [censored] Chambers Leeds UK.

  4. On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    helmet, if you ride responsibly. Now that I've set myself up to be
    flamed, I'll suggest a Bell brand helmet if you insist on wearing one.
    Not that they're any better than the rest, but their size L fits my
    head, and it's 7 7/8s. 7 3/4s is the circumference of a wee child!
    They're more oval than round compared to Giros, if that matters. Get
    the cheapest one that fits. More dosh buys more really expensive
    holes, the cheaper ones often protect better.

  5. landotter said:

    On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    helmet, if you ride responsibly. Now that I've set myself up to be
    flamed, I'll suggest a Bell brand helmet if you insist on wearing one.
    Not that they're any better than the rest, but their size L fits my
    head, and it's 7 7/8s. 7 3/4s is the circumference of a wee child!
    They're more oval than round compared to Giros, if that matters. Get
    the cheapest one that fits. More dosh buys more really expensive
    holes, the cheaper ones often protect better.


    How exactly, do you measure head size? I can't wear 9 out of 10 baseball
    caps because they won't adjust large enough. My glasses have to have
    special stems or they just sit on my ears and not over them like they
    are supposed to. I wear the Giro ski helmet because it fits very snug
    without a ski mask or other stuff like the intended skier would be wearing.
    Bill Baka

  6. The Louis Garneau I have is really big.

    "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am
    64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project
    will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to
    Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all,
    was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    helmet, if you ride responsibly. Now that I've set myself up to be
    flamed, I'll suggest a Bell brand helmet if you insist on wearing one.
    Not that they're any better than the rest, but their size L fits my
    head, and it's 7 7/8s. 7 3/4s is the circumference of a wee child!
    They're more oval than round compared to Giros, if that matters. Get
    the cheapest one that fits. More dosh buys more really expensive
    holes, the cheaper ones often protect better.

  7. Bill Baka said:
    landotter said:

    On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Quoted message said:

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    helmet, if you ride responsibly. Now that I've set myself up to be
    flamed, I'll suggest a Bell brand helmet if you insist on wearing one.
    Not that they're any better than the rest, but their size L fits my
    head, and it's 7 7/8s. 7 3/4s is the circumference of a wee child!
    They're more oval than round compared to Giros, if that matters. Get
    the cheapest one that fits. More dosh buys more really expensive
    holes, the cheaper ones often protect better.

    How exactly, do you measure head size?

    For American hats, measure the circumference of your head at the brow
    and divide by pi. It's the average diameter of your noggin.

  8. censored Chambers said:

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    I understand your dilemma, being roughly the same hat size. You have to
    try on helmet after helmet to find one that fits. For me, Bell has a
    better fit than Giro, and their extra large size is the most comfortable
    helmet I have ever had. But some of that is related to head shape
    rather than just circumference. Oddly, both brands are made by the same
    people, but the shape of the helmet does differ.

    There are extremely ugly helmets specifically designed to not only fit
    those with large heads, but to simultaneously keep them out of the gene
    pool by making you look like a dork. Clearly the idea is to breed
    "wrong" size heads out of the population. But maybe at your age you
    don't care about breeding -- although you may still want to go through
    the motions.

    It will be a quest.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    "Business!" cried the Ghost. "Mankind was my business. The common
    welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and
    benevolence, were, all, my business. The dealings of my trade were but
    a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!" --Dickens,

  9. censored Chambers said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall. I
    have tried but failed to Google the RocLoc website, to ask them directly if
    they do any higher sizes than the ones I saw in Halfords.

    My questions:-

    What is the web address of RocLoc?

    Are there any other manufacturers or suppliers of cycling headgear in
    Britain? If so, what are the web addresses?

    Can you make any other suggestion to solve my problem?

    www.cyclehelmets.org

  10. landotter said:

    On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    Quoted message said:

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    helmet, if you ride responsibly

    I'll mention that to the lady that hit me....from behind, when she
    fell asleep at 10:30 on a Satuday MORNING.

    .. Now that I've set myself up to be

    Quoted message said:

    flamed, I'll suggest a Bell brand helmet if you insist on wearing one.
    Not that they're any better than the rest, but their size L fits my
    head, and it's 7 7/8s. 7 3/4s is the circumference of a wee child!
    They're more oval than round compared to Giros, if that matters. Get
    the cheapest one that fits. More dosh buys more really expensive
    holes, the cheaper ones often protect better.

  11. censored Chambers said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall. I
    have tried but failed to Google the RocLoc website, to ask them directly if
    they do any higher sizes than the ones I saw in Halfords.

    My questions:-

    What is the web address of RocLoc?

    Are there any other manufacturers or suppliers of cycling headgear in
    Britain? If so, what are the web addresses?

    Can you make any other suggestion to solve my problem?

    Many thanks [censored] Chambers Leeds UK.


    Try this:

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360028390

    It's in Blighty and shows an example of a couple of XXL helmets. XL is
    apparently 7&3/8 to 8 so XXL should allow for growth :-)

    There may be more, it was the first one I saw.....

  12. On Mar 9, 7:17 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    landotter said:

    On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Quoted message said:

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    helmet, if you ride responsibly

    I'll mention that to the lady that hit me....from behind, when she
    fell asleep at 10:30 on a Satuday MORNING.

    I've been hit from behind by a Lincoln Navigator. Sheared off my
    teeth, moved my nose to the side of my face, and required fifty
    stitches. A helmet wouldn't have done jack squat. I've also been
    spared a couple stitches when taking a mild tumble with one on. So
    what. They don't save lives, except on very rare occasions, and every
    now and then they keep you from getting sewn up. Every breath wasted
    on their discussion would be better spent on proper riding discipline.

  13. Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    On Mar 8, 7:05 pm, "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant
    a helmet, if you ride responsibly

    Quoted message said:

    I'll mention that to the lady that hit me....from behind, when she
    fell asleep at 10:30 on a Satuday MORNING.

    Peter, Peter, Peter. Real-life (near-death) experience doesn't matter to
    the AHZs. Now go find some misleading statistics and Bob shall indeed be
    yer uncle...

    HTH! BS (a little)

  14. landotter said:

    On Mar 9, 7:17 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 8, 7:05 pm, "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    > (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    > years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    > and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    > be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    > going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    > British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    > and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    > uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    helmet, if you ride responsibly

    Quoted message said:

    I'll mention that to the lady that hit me....from behind, when she
    fell asleep at 10:30 on a Satuday MORNING.

    I've been hit from behind by a Lincoln Navigator. Sheared off my
    teeth, moved my nose to the side of my face, and required fifty
    stitches. A helmet wouldn't have done jack squat.

    That's your opinion of your experience, and no one is questioning it.
    OTOH, Peter feels that a helmet would have been of some help in his
    encounter, and that opinion should be respected, too.

    IMO, Peter has the best advice regarding helmets, which, IIRC, is
    "can't hurt, might help".

    Quoted message said:

    I've also been
    spared a couple stitches when taking a mild tumble with one on. So
    what. They don't save lives, except on very rare occasions, and every
    now and then they keep you from getting sewn up. Every breath wasted
    on their discussion would be better spent on proper riding discipline.

  15. Ozark Bicycle said:
    landotter said:

    On Mar 9, 7:17 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Mar 8, 7:05 pm, "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > > Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    > > (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    > > years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    > > and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    > > be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    > > going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    Quoted message said:

    > > But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    > > British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    > > and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    > > uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Quoted message said:

    > Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    > helmet, if you ride responsibly

    Quoted message said:

    I'll mention that to the lady that hit me....from behind, when she
    fell asleep at 10:30 on a Satuday MORNING.

    I've been hit from behind by a Lincoln Navigator. Sheared off my
    teeth, moved my nose to the side of my face, and required fifty
    stitches. A helmet wouldn't have done jack squat.

    That's your opinion of your experience, and no one is questioning it.
    OTOH, Peter feels that a helmet would have been of some help in his
    encounter, and that opinion should be respected, too.

    IMO, Peter has the best advice regarding helmets, which, IIRC, is
    "can't hurt, might help".

    No, the best advice comes from population-level studies, which say
    "don't help, might hurt".

    www.cyclehelmets.org

  16. Quoted message said:

    On 9 Mar 2007 10:07:21 -0800, "Ozark Bicycle"

    Quoted message said:
    landotter said:

    On Mar 9, 7:17 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > On Mar 8, 7:05 pm, "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > On Mar 8, 5:29 pm, "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]>
    > > wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    > > > (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am 64
    > > > years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my back
    > > > and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next project will
    > > > be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire bicycles. I shall be
    > > > going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    > > > British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to Halfords,
    > > > and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit at all, was
    > > > uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event of a fall.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant a
    > > helmet, if you ride responsibly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I'll mention that to the lady that hit me....from behind, when she
    > fell asleep at 10:30 on a Satuday MORNING.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've been hit from behind by a Lincoln Navigator. Sheared off my
    teeth, moved my nose to the side of my face, and required fifty
    stitches. A helmet wouldn't have done jack squat.

    Quoted message said:

    That's your opinion of your experience, and no one is questioning it.
    OTOH, Peter feels that a helmet would have been of some help in his
    encounter, and that opinion should be respected, too.

    Quoted message said:

    IMO, Peter has the best advice regarding helmets, which, IIRC, is
    "can't hurt, might help".

    No, the best advice comes from population-level studies, which say
    "don't help, might hurt".

    www.cyclehelmets.org-

    Doesn't take long for the Anti-Helmet Psychos, of which "jtaylor" is a
    proud member, long to come outta the woodwork, does it?

    I'm out, enjoy the AHPs, everyone. ;-)

  17. On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:42:28 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    On Mar 8, 7:05 pm, "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant
    a helmet, if you ride responsibly

    Quoted message said:

    I'll mention that to the lady that hit me....from behind, when she
    fell asleep at 10:30 on a Satuday MORNING.

    Peter, Peter, Peter. Real-life (near-death) experience doesn't matter to
    the AHZs.

    Zealotry is the province of those attempting to enforce and/or
    encouraging the enforcement of helmet-wearing on others, not of those
    who point out the fallacious nature of the pro-helmet and pro-MHL
    arguments.

  18. Ozark Bicycle said:
    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    IMO, Peter has the best advice regarding helmets, which, IIRC, is
    "can't hurt, might help".

    No, the best advice comes from population-level studies, which say
    "don't help, might hurt".

    www.cyclehelmets.org-

    Doesn't take long for the Anti-Helmet Psychos, of which "jtaylor" is a
    proud member, long to come outta the woodwork, does it?

    I welcome insults - they are a sign that the user has no facts to
    support his argument.

    In case you missed it, "Ozark", here's the URL:

    www.cyclehelmets.org

    Lots of facts there...

  19. Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:42:28 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    On Mar 8, 7:05 pm, "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Then avoid falling. Casual cycling isn't dangerous enough to warrant
    > a helmet, if you ride responsibly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'll mention that to the lady that hit me....from behind, when she
    fell asleep at 10:30 on a Satuday MORNING.

    Quoted message said:

    Peter, Peter, Peter. Real-life (near-death) experience doesn't matter to
    the AHZs.

    Zealotry is the province of those attempting to enforce and/or
    encouraging the enforcement of helmet-wearing on others, not of those
    who point out the fallacious nature of the pro-helmet and pro-MHL
    arguments.

    Bingo. Wear one if you insist. I really don't care. I'll live with the
    risk. I prefer my jaunty caps, which give me verve and panache, which
    motorists admire, thus giving me good visibility and social standing.
    If I was back messengering or racing crits, meh, I'd wear one. For the
    cycling that I do, which is utility riding within a five mile radius
    of home, style is far more important. I'd rather obsess about the tone
    of my bell, which is recently sounding a bit shrill and ineffective as
    I mentioned in another thread.

    I would consider a leather hairnet, just because it looks like you've
    made a hat from frankfurters--and that's just dang cool! Plus, if you
    run out of fig newtons, you could eat your hat...

  20. I would like to thank everybody who replied to this question. In the way
    that you all did your very best to help a newbie, I rate you all the most
    helpful and friendly usenet group I have ever written to.

    The outcome of all this is that I have now ordered an XXL helmet from
    Wiggle, and I am looking forward to the few days we shall be spending in
    Norfolk in April. Not all cycling, though. Some of the time we shall be on
    foot, birdwatching. And perhaps hire a rowing boat with my wife on the
    Broads. ("Broads" in British English, by the way, does not mean the same as
    it does in American English). Might even take her on a boat trip to see the
    seals.

    [censored] Chambers Leeds UK

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    "[censored] Chambers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Having enjoyed a bicycle hire experience in the Cotswold Water Park
    (England) last year, I have decided to take up gentle cycling again. I am
    64 years old, so I do not want anything too extreme, just the sun on my
    back and the wind going through whatever hair I still have. My next
    project will be the Norfolk Coastal Path, where you can also hire
    bicycles. I shall be going to Norfolk for a mini-break in mid-April.

    But I have a problem. I have an unusually large head, size 7-3/4 in the
    British system of measurement. 65cm circumference. I have been to
    Halfords, and even their Extra Large size (nominally 63 cm) would not fit
    at all, was uncomfortable, and would not offer any protection in the event
    of a fall. I have tried but failed to Google the RocLoc website, to ask
    them directly if they do any higher sizes than the ones I saw in Halfords.

    My questions:-

    What is the web address of RocLoc?

    Are there any other manufacturers or suppliers of cycling headgear in
    Britain? If so, what are the web addresses?

    Can you make any other suggestion to solve my problem?

    Many thanks [censored] Chambers Leeds UK.

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