On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:32:33 +0100 someone who may be Jon Senior <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk> wrote this:-
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The great irony of course having just occurred in London. Should make them nice and twitchy up here.
Of course events in London didn't involve bombs on bicycles. It's difficult to see how a bicycle bomber could cause many deaths on the Forth Road Bridge
A small thermite charge placed on one of the main cables in the middle of the span? Easily made from readily available materials and would fit into Jon's basket.
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:04:58 +0100 someone who may be Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote this:-
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Of course events in London didn't involve bombs on bicycles. It's difficult to see how a bicycle bomber could cause many deaths on the Forth Road Bridge
A small thermite charge placed on one of the main cables in the middle of the span? Easily made from readily available materials and would fit into Jon's basket.
Just as easy to carry by car, van or lorry and only slightly more difficult to carry by bus. However, the police are only picking on cyclists.
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A small thermite charge placed on one of the main cables in the middle of the span? Easily made from readily available materials and would fit into Jon's basket.
Just as easy to carry by car, van or lorry and only slightly more difficult to carry by bus. However, the police are only picking on cyclists.
However, a car/van/lorry/bus stopping in mid-span, the occupant(s) getting out, climbing over the barrier onto the side walkway/cycleway with a package, depositing the package, climbing back over, getting back into the vehicle, and zooming off, is far more noticeable on CCTV than a cyclist already on the cycleway stopping to admire the view right beside the cables.
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:31:23 +0100 someone who may be Richard <[email hidden]> wrote this:-
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However, a car/van/lorry/bus stopping in mid-span, the occupant(s) getting out, climbing over the barrier onto the side walkway/cycleway with a package, depositing the package, climbing back over, getting back into the vehicle, and zooming off, is far more noticeable on CCTV than a cyclist already on the cycleway stopping to admire the view right beside the cables.
The cables will be just as damaged/destroyed.
The police are simply posing, to reassure the nervous and/or uninformed. Today two of them were leaning on the railing staring intently at the main girders or the water beneath them. They must be very bored.
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Only if you hit it in the right place, even with the biggest cannons shot placement is vital.
FSVO "cannon". There are certain artillery pieces in use that will merrily stop a truck with a hit to pretty much anywhere other than the wing mirrors! Possibly not in the concealed carry category though! ;-)
Only if you hit it in the right place, even with the biggest cannons shot placement is vital.
FSVO "cannon". There are certain artillery pieces in use that will merrily stop a truck with a hit to pretty much anywhere other than the wing mirrors! Possibly not in the concealed carry category though! ;-)
There are some artillery pieces in use which will stop a truck provided they hit within 2.5Km of it, and vapourise it if they hit within 100 metres. We do still have some 'tactical nuclear' artillery shells in the arsenal, I think.
A .454 Casul, or should we call it the .45 Magnum, will stop a truck.
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Only if you hit it in the right place, even with the biggest cannons shot placement is vital.
Another thing, why on an ultra powerful 5 shot revolver, do they put such a small handgrip? The one time I tried one, the owner was just changing to a nice pair of Packmyers, it made a big difference. --
Only if you hit it in the right place, even with the biggest cannons shot placement is vital.
FSVO "cannon". There are certain artillery pieces in use that will merrily stop a truck with a hit to pretty much anywhere other than the wing mirrors! Possibly not in the concealed carry category though! ;-)
Jon
HMS Warspite was famous for picking of german tanks with one round of her 14 inch guns. Roughly a ton of explosives falling out of the sky will leave a very large hole where the wing mirror used to be. 🙂
A .454 Casul, or should we call it the .45 Magnum, will stop a truck.
Another thing, why on an ultra powerful 5 shot revolver, do they put such a small handgrip? The one time I tried one, the owner was just changing to a nice pair of Packmyers, it made a big difference.
Hummm, the small S.A.Colt style grips allow controlled rotation if your not using a death grip, which allows disapation through motion, putting on larger grips forces a tighter hold without rotation, so the hands/arms have to soak up most of the energy. Always prefered Hogue grips as pachy's were too big on most revolvers, IIRC the MET had to go over to them as well as female AFO's found the pachy's too deep front to rear.
> A .454 Casul, or should we call it the .45 Magnum, will stop a truck.
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Another thing, why on an ultra powerful 5 shot revolver, do they put such a small handgrip? The one time I tried one, the owner was just changing to a nice pair of Packmyers, it made a big difference.
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Hummm, the small S.A.Colt style grips allow controlled rotation if your not using a death grip, which allows disapation through motion, putting on larger grips forces a tighter hold without rotation, so the hands/arms have to soak up most of the energy. Always prefered Hogue grips as pachy's were too big on most revolvers, IIRC the MET had to go over to them as well as female AFO's found the pachy's too deep front to rear.
I'm a tall chap with big hands, I had Pachy's on a model 10.
Once, when almost every home had a gun of some sort
when/where was this ?
17th century britian and most rural homes would have a gun of some sort, as the masses from the land went to work in towns and left their guns behind it started to become less common. Though of course gentlemen were expected to carry pistols until WW1 and to a lesser degree after, self defence being an acceptable reason to have a gun started to be declined after WW2. Its modern urbanites that fear *things*, led by the nose by those behind the power in whitehall whose fear isn't guns, but "the people" themselves. Now only criminals have guns to any real extent, the figures of those caught by customs being the tip of the iceberg FWIT.
"Only three things are certain: death, taxes and stupid gun laws."
"That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;" English Bill of Rights 1689
Once, when almost every home had a gun of some sort
when/where was this ?
17th century britian and most rural homes would have a gun of some sort,
I really, really doubt that. Guns were expensive and rural workers and tenant farmers were cash-poor. Certainly in fifteenth century Britain most rural homes would have a longbow, and the ability to use it; and a longbow in the right hands is very nearly as lethal as a rifle. To what extent this was still true two hundred years later I've no idea. Longbows are a product of the rural economy, and most villages would have both the raw materials and the technology to make and maintain them. Guns are another matter altogether. I would be very surprised if 5% of households below the rank of yeoman could afford one.
