> I don't know. If they've got it right, 72 virgins await them in heaven > (Although admittedly, you'll have to drag it out to make that last > eternity!).
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The Hadith describes them as perpetual virgins.
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Perpetual? So, these virgins are, how can I put this, not going to be coming across with the full works?
>> I don't know. If they've got it right, 72 virgins await them in >> heaven (Although admittedly, you'll have to drag it out to make that >> last eternity!).
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> The Hadith describes them as perpetual virgins.
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Perpetual? So, these virgins are, how can I put this, not going to be coming across with the full works?
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I think the idea is they are "self repairing".
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So, they're really just 'cosmetically' virgin!
Just wishful thinking, 72 women to put up with? Sounds more like hell.
I don't know. If they've got it right, 72 virgins await them in heaven (Although admittedly, you'll have to drag it out to make that last eternity!).
The Hadith describes them as perpetual virgins.
Perpetual? So, these virgins are, how can I put this, not going to be coming across with the full works?
That'll be an older usage of the word. You're thinking of the modern usage of "virgin", that began to evolve in the Roman empire around 350 AD but only began to be applied in the modern sense to young ladies in the 14th century[1]. In other cultures, and in particular at the time of writing of all the major religions, the meaning differs.
[1] AIUI the christian story of virgin birth only became doctrine[2] as recently as 1865, by which time the now-normal usage was of course so well-established that the story had taken on its modern meaning. [2] As in, declared by the then-pope, so it had to be true.
I think the virgins are supposed to be supernatural/angelic beings, and magically revirginified every night. But I can't be bothered to look it up.
Probably, but it sounds rather like a quick invention that seemed like a good promise at the time, the time being several centuries ago and the place probably a bit hot and dusty. Frankly, if 70 virgins with 24 hour reinvigoration is the best one can come up with for an eternal afterlife promise then someone wasn't trying very hard. There's no titanium involved, for a start.
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I don't know if the Koran specifies gender, just sexual experience. There could be a number of extremely surprised suicide bombers around! ;-)
or...
"I'm not bloody doing *that*! Why do you think I'm still a virgin after 6000 years round here?" ;-)
I think the virgins are supposed to be supernatural/angelic beings, and magically revirginified every night. But I can't be bothered to look it up.
Somebody on the radio a few days ago said that the basis of this belief begins with a sentence in the Koran that alludes to a reward for those Muslims who get to paradise. However, the precise meaning of the word that describes the reward is ambiguous. As well as the meaning already discussed, it could mean a type of dried grape. Raisins, currants and, most significantly, sultanas are of course very popular. This is also good news for those who want to go cycling in paradise, who will appreciate a concentrated high-energy food, but might have difficulties getting up hills while carrying 72 virgins.
good news for those who want to go cycling in paradise, who will appreciate a concentrated high-energy food, but might have difficulties getting up hills while carrying 72 virgins.
good news for those who want to go cycling in paradise, who will appreciate a concentrated high-energy food, but might have difficulties getting up hills while carrying 72 virgins.
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"being carried by", surely?
The new Santana Paradise model 73 seat bike, with 72 stoker positions and a pilot saddle with no crank at all...
All sounds very good until you realise it's bloody raisins for dinner again. And again.
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On 07 Jul 2005 12:27:42 +0100 (BST) someone who may be [email hidden] (Alan Braggins) wrote this:-
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I think the virgins are supposed to be supernatural/angelic beings, and magically revirginified every night.
Wouldn't it be better to do this during the day?
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However, the precise meaning of the word that describes the reward is ambiguous. As well as the meaning already discussed, it could mean a type of dried grape. Raisins, currants and, most significantly, sultanas are of course very popular. This is also good news for those who want to go cycling in paradise, who will appreciate a concentrated high-energy food, but might have difficulties getting up hills while carrying 72 virgins.
You'll be all right as long as the sultana supply holds up, but 72 won't get you all that far. No matter though, because in cyclist heaven all the hills will be down.
I think the virgins are supposed to be supernatural/angelic beings, and magically revirginified every night. But I can't be bothered to look it up.
And the attraction of that is...?
No idea. I've never seen the attraction of standing around on clouds with harps either, which is probably equally authentic to what's actually promised, let alone what we actually get.
On 07 Jul 2005 12:27:42 +0100 (BST) someone who may be [email hidden] (Alan Braggins) wrote this:-
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I think the virgins are supposed to be supernatural/angelic beings, and magically revirginified every night.
Wouldn't it be better to do this during the day?
Depends when you plan sleeping to recover your strength, I guess. Maybe it's whenever happens to be convenient. (The explanation that "virgin" didn't have the same meaning at the time of translation as it does now probably makes it irrelevent.)
At the moment I prefer to let my councillor and MSP deal with the police.
This morning two of these police officers "protecting" the bridge were leaning on the railing staring at a minesweeper with great interest. In a way I feel sorry for them, doing something pointless in order to reassure Daily Mail readers must get boring after a while.
The great irony of course having just occurred in London. Should make them nice and twitchy up here.
I wasn't surprised by the rifles, after all, they had loads of decoys, hides, orange camo gear etc. It was the hand guns that surprised me.
I guess if you've got a licence to sell the rifles and ammunition, you might as well sell to the handgun market as well.
Don't forget in the states a lot of hikers and the like carry handguns to defend against mountain lions, bears and other *predators*, some people actually hunt with them too, not my choice, but a .454 casull will stop a bear with a reasonably placed shot.
That doesn't sound like heaven to me. Where's the fun in riding downhill if it's not a reward for a mighty climb?
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> I wasn't surprised by the rifles, after all, they had loads of decoys, > hides, orange camo gear etc. It was the hand guns that surprised me.
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I guess if you've got a licence to sell the rifles and ammunition, you might as well sell to the handgun market as well.
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Don't forget in the states a lot of hikers and the like carry handguns to defend against mountain lions, bears and other *predators*, some people actually hunt with them too, not my choice, but a .454 casull will stop a bear with a reasonably placed shot.
A .454 Casul, or should we call it the .45 Magnum, will stop a truck.
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:32:33 +0100 someone who may be Jon Senior <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk> wrote this:-
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The great irony of course having just occurred in London. Should make them nice and twitchy up here.
Of course events in London didn't involve bombs on bicycles. It's difficult to see how a bicycle bomber could cause many deaths on the Forth Road Bridge, other than to the groups of police officers wasting their time on pointless activities.
Of course a lorry, bus, van or car bomber could cause rather more deaths, but the police are doing nothing to stop them.
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